The same players continue to fail when we lose

[Vendrell]

Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood, Reid.

If you didn't watch the game tonight and someone told you that Collingwood lost, you could safely guess that the names above had no impact yet again.

You can throw in O'Bree who's not up to AFL level anymore.

We're lucky Leon didn't play or it could've been worse.

 

[Alexander323bc]

A bit harsh there on a few of them. We got killed in the centre.
Anthony, Wood, Obree are just not capable to lift the team, and Shaw can not break a tag while Mick just refuses to move him up forward or on the wing. The way the ball was being delivered to our forwards is always an issue when our forward are down, and we had Toovey, Cloke, O'bree and other hack kicks, kicking it in to the forward line. Thats just crap management.

 

[Vendrell]

Seriously. When we win the above players perform well but when we lose it's the same ones who let the side down.

On the flip side it's the same players that stand up when we lose such as Swan, Pendlebury, Maxwell and Ball.

This has been the same story for the entire careers of Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood and Reid. It's widely accepted that Leon is one of these players as well but he didn't play so he gets a pass for tonight.

Surely the coaching staff can see the trend that whenever we lose it's the same individuals who let the side down. What I don't understand is how this trend has continued for years without either developing the players to stand up and perform under pressure or get them out of the club.

 

[leondavis21]

Seriously. When we win the above players perform well but when we lose it's the same ones who let the side down.

On the flip side it's the same players that stand up when we lose such as Swan, Pendlebury, Maxwell and Ball.

This has been the same story for the entire careers of Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood and Reid. It's widely accepted that Leon is one of these players as well but he didn't play so he gets a pass for tonight.

Surely the coaching staff can see the trend that whenever we lose it's the same individuals who let the side down. What I don't understand is how this trend has continued for years without either developing the players to stand up and perform under pressure or get them out of the club.

THIS^^

u need to make some harsh decisions early before its too late

 

[Dylz48]

Macaffer??? did you watch the game or do you just making outlandish negative statements

 

[Vendrell]

Macaffer??? did you watch the game or do you just making outlandish negative statements

8 kicks, 9 handballs and a whopping 1 tackle!

Last week we lost as well. Did you see how he played then???

Notice a trend...

 

[danielnajdek]

Seriously. When we win the above players perform well but when we lose it's the same ones who let the side down.

On the flip side it's the same players that stand up when we lose such as Swan, Pendlebury, Maxwell and Ball.

This has been the same story for the entire careers of Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood and Reid. It's widely accepted that Leon is one of these players as well but he didn't play so he gets a pass for tonight.

Surely the coaching staff can see the trend that whenever we lose it's the same individuals who let the side down. What I don't understand is how this trend has continued for years without either developing the players to stand up and perform under pressure or get them out of the club.

He was hopeless. Expect much more from our captain.

 

[Brent24]

Seriously. When we win the above players perform well but when we lose it's the same ones who let the side down.

On the flip side it's the same players that stand up when we lose such as Swan, Pendlebury, Maxwell and Ball.

This has been the same story for the entire careers of Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood and Reid. It's widely accepted that Leon is one of these players as well but he didn't play so he gets a pass for tonight.

Surely the coaching staff can see the trend that whenever we lose it's the same individuals who let the side down. What I don't understand is how this trend has continued for years without either developing the players to stand up and perform under pressure or get them out of the club.

Macaffer was no worse than Maxwell and Ball. Wellingham was brilliant before being injured, hasn't found touch yet. Reid never had a match up tonight, he was alright in our losing match last week.

 

[Dylz48]

8 kicks, 9 handballs and a whopping 1 tackle!

Last week we lost as well. Did you see how he played then???

Notice a trend...

Wow you put up some stats he actually had 2 tackles he also took 8 marks 2 of which were contested. But I for one actually watch the game and don't just rely on stats and when he had the ball he was good. Last week he did a good job limiting Chapman's influence on the game and missed two crucial shots in the last quarter however many players missed very easy shots last Friday so why don't we drop all of them then. If football clubs were run by people like you there would be 9 changes after every loss get some perspective.

 

[loki04]

Seriously. When we win the above players perform well but when we lose it's the same ones who let the side down.

On the flip side it's the same players that stand up when we lose such as Swan, Pendlebury, Maxwell and Ball.

This has been the same story for the entire careers of Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood and Reid. It's widely accepted that Leon is one of these players as well but he didn't play so he gets a pass for tonight.

Surely the coaching staff can see the trend that whenever we lose it's the same individuals who let the side down. What I don't understand is how this trend has continued for years without either developing the players to stand up and perform under pressure or get them out of the club.

Maxwell is one who doesn't stand up in our losses quite often but for some reason escapes criticism, especially when he is made accountable.

Reid's game is bieng over blown same with Macaffers who i thought was in our best half a dozen till half time, Dawes was our most dangerous forward till the mids decided it would be cool to see what happens when they just blindly bomb it on his head combined with an already overhead weakness is not smart.

 

[AG]

Why do so many Pies posters overreact when you lose? Everytime I read the board after a loss there are about 5 threads listing about 5-8 players who are supposedly rubbish. Funny, but weird.

 

[Vendrell]

Macaffer was no worse than Maxwell and Ball. Wellingham was brilliant before being injured, hasn't found touch yet. Reid never had a match up tonight, he was alright in our losing match last week.

Nobody can play well every single game but most of the time when we lose, Maxwell and Ball do play well. Ball was brilliant against Geelong last week. He had more clearances than anyone on the ground and when you're playing against Ablett, Bartel and Selwood that's a great performance.

The problem I state in my original post is there are a group of players who never play well in a losing Collingwood team. Macaffer is one of these players but he's not alone.

 

[Brent24]

Why do so many Pies posters overreact when you lose? Everytime I read the board after a loss there are about 5 threads listing about 5-8 players who are supposedly rubbish. Funny, but weird.

You know how people say we have some of the most idiotic supporters? They've discovered the internet.

 

[Frankie23]

Why do so many Pies posters overreact when you lose? Everytime I read the board after a loss there are about 5 threads listing about 5-8 players who are supposedly rubbish. Funny, but weird.

There are minorities everywhere...our minority always go over the top, not much we can do about it.

And Maccaffer, he was in our bests in the first half, get off it buddy.

 

[Heater39]

Why do so many Pies posters overreact when you lose? Everytime I read the board after a loss there are about 5 threads listing about 5-8 players who are supposedly rubbish. Funny, but weird.

lol, it's good for a laugh at least. Plenty of others seem to enjoy it as well, over 300 people viewing the board atm.

 

[danielnajdek]

Why do so many Pies posters overreact when you lose? Everytime I read the board after a loss there are about 5 threads listing about 5-8 players who are supposedly rubbish. Funny, but weird.

I know ****ing annoying. Don't hear a peep out of them when we win.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Cloke, Dawes, Macaffer, Wellingham, Toovey, Anthony, Wood, Reid.

If you didn't watch the game tonight and someone told you that Collingwood lost, you could safely guess that the names above had no impact yet again.

These three in particular have only played in 2/3, 1/3 and 2/3 of our losses this season.

Logic fail.

 

[Vendrell]

Moron who started this thread, Swan, Pendlebury, Jolly, Ball were rubbish, as was Beams.
Smashed all day at the stoppages, played no one bit defensive football and left the back line all alone. Not good enough moving the ball forward when given the opportunity.
Im not saying some of those players were good but the blokes above were far far worse.

Saying Pendlebury and Swan were rubbish makes your opinion worthless.

Maxwell is one who doesn't stand up in our losses quite often but for some reason escapes criticism, especially when he is made accountable.

Reid's game is bieng over blown same with Macaffers who i thought was in our best half a dozen till half time, Dawes was our most dangerous forward till the mids decided it would be cool to see what happens when they just blindly bomb it on his head combined with an already overhead weakness is not smart.

I'll pay Reid. He was playing on arguably the best forward in the game who also happens to be twice his size. Reid's on the right track with his development.

But our forwards need to provide a lead for the midfielders to kick to. Geelong found us out last week and it looks like Brisbane used a similar tactic. It's up to the coaching staff and forwards to rectify the problem or our season could be in trouble.

Why do so many Pies posters overreact when you lose? Everytime I read the board after a loss there are about 5 threads listing about 5-8 players who are supposedly rubbish. Funny, but weird.

It's always the same 5-8 players though. No one ever starts a thread about how any other players were rubbish.

 

[dswan]

Firstly we are all on the same side here so lets put up some constructive ideas to go forward.

I think it was painfully obvious that there use of the corridor hurt as we need to use the corridor more. Much greater reward for effort.

Second point is if we have some young talented players we have to give them some chances.

Thirdly Dale was brilliant and if some others played as hard as him we would have won.

 

[SaddaZ]

8 kicks, 9 handballs and a whopping 1 tackle!

Last week we lost as well. Did you see how he played then???

Notice a trend...

So you are saying that the Caff is our MVP? He plays shit, we lose, he plays well we win? The entire side tonight were unaccountable and let the bears have the ball too much. The delivery into the F50 was poor. It takes more than the Caff for this too happen. The pies lose....hysteria!

 

[Vendrell]

These three in particular have only played in 2/3, 1/3 and 2/3 of our losses this season.

Logic fail.

I'm not saying "if these players are selected then Collingwood automatically lose".

The problem is they never perform in a losing side.

Buckley won a Norm Smith medal in a losing side. Hopefully he can develop that sort of attitude, passion and aggression into these players.

 

[Temploar]

That is true, the only people that did perform tonight were Thomas/Swan/Pendles.
The rest just either play good when we are in front or play bad when we are losing.

 

[SaddaZ]

Firstly we are all on the same side here so lets put up some constructive ideas to go forward.

I think it was painfully obvious that there use of the corridor hurt as we need to use the corridor more. Much greater reward for effort.

Second point is if we have some young talented players we have to give them some chances.

Thirdly Dale was brilliant and if some others played as hard as him we would have won.

Veiled dig at MM? Mate, you just got to get over it. We are a very good side who just happened to play shit tonight. Still May yea?

 

[Vendrell]

That is true, the only people that did perform tonight were Thomas/Swan/Pendles.
The rest just either play good when we are in front or play bad when we are losing.

Thank you for understanding the point I was trying to get across.

I really hope the players I named can turn it around. Some will and some won't.

I think Reid and Toovey are getting there and Dawes relies on delivery from the midfield but they can't help him hold onto marks and put the footy through the big sticks. That's up to him.

Toovey is a good example of the development of a player. He's gone from being a bad player in both winning and losing sides to becoming a good player in winning sides and a bad player in losing sides. The next step is for him to be a good player in both winning and losing teams. Hope that all makes sense .

Stages of devlopment:
1. Bad winning / bad losing.
2. Good winning / bad losing.
3. Good winning / good losing.

Right now Toovey's at stage 2 along with the other players I listed. Thankfully we don't have any players in our best 22 at stage 1 whereas most teams outside of the 8 have at least a couple. What the players and coaching staff should be aiming at is to get them to stage 3. This is where guys like Pendlebury and Swan are sitting. It's where very good - elite level players sit. This is where 16-18 of Geelong's best players are and those are the players that win premierships.

 

[collingtimber]

Inspite of how some players performed,how about Malthouse works out a way to stop the opposition running the ball staight down the middle of the ground unopposed.