Analysis The Small Things

[*PAF]

Everyone has posted something that is offensive. Everyone has. It happens. The key is to a) report posts that are considered offensive and b) try not to do it again!

Whilst I disagree with parts of Portia's argument, I think the main crux is valid and that sometimes there can be sexist comments. But once again, if people find it offensive, it should be reported and then we can deal with it.

I haven't read every post and stopped reading the women in AFL thread almost as soon as it started, however I think Portia 's point is not so much about specifics but more along the lines of group mentality that something may start as a joke or a small point and then it becomes a sort of a standard. Sexist, racist, offensive or otherwise is almost irrelevant.

 

[MrMeaner]

Yep. It is about an environment, not necessarily individual posts.

 

[El_Scorcho]

That's literally what I tell people when I meet them "I am a heavy-hitter on SizeableMitre please like me"

You should see Dylan's internet forum moderator embroidered polo shirt.

 

[raman]

You should see Dylan's internet forum moderator embroidered polo shirt.

That is actually a thing that should exist.

 

[Portia]

That is actually a thing that should exist.

To be worn with monogrammed sneans

 

[Nemisis]

I am sure this thread started because the cricket is so boring

 

[Schulzenfest]

People need to be told when they need to adjust their behavior, and a thread like this weeding out the kinds of people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" or "social justice warriors" so they can go on The List, can only be a good thing.

I saw a guy who believed that the media paying attention to the fact that Dustin Martin threatened to stab a woman in the face was 'PC gone mad'. Not even a Richmond supporter either. Some people are just baffling.

 

[Power freak 2008]

All this debate can only make our forum stronger. Thanks Portia for being so brave and confronting us with issues that we need to talk about not just here but in the community at large. I am of African heritage, grew up in New York in a predominately white neighborhood and now have three great kids so I call Australia home. My friends would make black jokes but there was always that kid who seemed to laugh that little bit more.

I don't think that Portia wants political correctness to the nth degree but when you have experience walking in a certain pair of shoes you are intimately familiar with the baggage associated with it. I remember when Andrew Symonds (AnSy) complained about his treatment in India. There were some people who thought he should have just shrugged it off. Their experience of the Indian culture would be different to AnSy though. India has a cast system and Symonds would be considered in the same category as the some of the lower casts while Brett Lee, for example, would be looked up to. His experience probably was about the entire trip and not an isolated incident. His teammates were great and supported him 100%. The cricket board, on the other hand, played it down and even accused him of being too sensitive (to protect there financial interests of course). Fast forward years later and he just was never the same cricketer. AnSy at the time was one of the world's leading batsmen but after that he literally went fishing. The only way pople could understand his story is if they could arrive at the airport as AnSy feel the demeanor of the people he came across such as people in service industries, staff at the airport, staff at hotels and people he met in the streets. It is hard to explain a feeling.

Otherwise, people who put up with this behavior are some of the toughest, thick skinned people going around. Try approaching some tough guy and make a slight smart arsed remark and see how quickly you can get your head knocked off.

Portia qualified her comments by saying that she too can traverse the boundaries of inappropriateness (Adam Goodes) but she realized that she isn't Adam Goodes and when a person says they are offended it won't kill you to listen. She is also an Aussie who likes a bit of banter but when she points out that it has gone too far she is making sure that we can keep on being ourselves but are clear about the boundaries. I enjoyed her post and thoiught that it was actually good natured and sincere.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Agree with the message. I've wanted to make a number of smart arse comments over the past couple of days (that are non-sexist in my world view) but I've held off. I guess it's having some effect on me.

 

[Trewth]

All this debate can only make our forum stronger. Thanks Portia for being so brave and confronting us with issues that we need to talk about not just here but in the community at large. I am of African heritage, grew up in New York in a predominately white neighborhood and now have three great kids so I call Australia home. My friends would make black jokes but there was always that kid who seemed to laugh that little bit more.

I don't think that Portia wants political correctness to the nth degree but when you have experience walking in a certain pair of shoes you are intimately familiar with the baggage associated with it. I remember when Andrew Symonds (AnSy) complained about his treatment in India. There were some people who thought he should have just shrugged it off. Their experience of the Indian culture would be different to AnSy though. India has a cast system and Symonds would be considered in the same category as the some of the lower casts while Brett Lee, for example, would be looked up to. His experience probably was about the entire trip and not an isolated incident. His teammates were great and supported him 100%. The cricket board, on the other hand, played it down and even accused him of being too sensitive (to protect there financial interests of course). Fast forward years later and he just was never the same cricketer. AnSy at the time was one of the world's leading batsmen but after that he literally went fishing. The only way pople could understand his story is if they could arrive at the airport as AnSy feel the demeanor of the people he came across such as people in service industries, staff at the airport, staff at hotels and people he met in the streets. It is hard to explain a feeling.

Otherwise, people who put up with this behavior are some of the toughest, thick skinned people going around. Try approaching some tough guy and make a slight smart arsed remark and see how quickly you can get your head knocked off.

Portia qualified her comments by saying that she too can traverse the boundaries of inappropriateness (Adam Goodes) but she realized that she isn't Adam Goodes and when a person says they are offended it won't kill you to listen. She is also an Aussie who likes a bit of banter but when she points out that it has gone too far she is making sure that we can keep on being ourselves but are clear about the boundaries. I enjoyed her post and thoiught that it was actually good natured and sincere.

Great post

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

 

[Jonts]

Thread is starting to run its course imo. The longer it goes the more likely it will become a shitfight of some form.

Can we move it onto a thread where we talk about the small things port can improve on?
Like i presumed this was about

I'll start us off
Bigger range at the salad bar

 

[Andre]

Can we move it onto a thread where we talk about the small things port can improve on?
Like i presumed this was about

I'll start us off
Bigger range at the salad bar

How about the club covers up the Max Basheer Stand sign at home games? That small thing would bring me joy.

Or if we bury Max Basheer under the stand at a home game that'd bring me great joy.

 

[charcolechaddy]

And a leather PA monogram 59 fifty Na cap!

 

[El_Scorcho]

How about the club covers up the Max Basheer Stand sign at home games? That small thing would bring me joy.

We're far too classy, as satisfying as it would be.

 

[Doctor Feel]

We're far too classy, as satisfying as it would be.

We have never as a club stooped to their level, and we can absolutely hang our hats on that.

 

[GreyPower]

How does Gary Lyon's consumption of units fit into this debate

 

[OneGreatClub]

All this debate can only make our forum stronger. Thanks Portia for being so brave and confronting us with issues that we need to talk about not just here but in the community at large. I am of African heritage, grew up in New York in a predominately white neighborhood and now have three great kids so I call Australia home. My friends would make black jokes but there was always that kid who seemed to laugh that little bit more.

I don't think that Portia wants political correctness to the nth degree but when you have experience walking in a certain pair of shoes you are intimately familiar with the baggage associated with it. I remember when Andrew Symonds (AnSy) complained about his treatment in India. There were some people who thought he should have just shrugged it off. Their experience of the Indian culture would be different to AnSy though. India has a cast system and Symonds would be considered in the same category as the some of the lower casts while Brett Lee, for example, would be looked up to. His experience probably was about the entire trip and not an isolated incident. His teammates were great and supported him 100%. The cricket board, on the other hand, played it down and even accused him of being too sensitive (to protect there financial interests of course). Fast forward years later and he just was never the same cricketer. AnSy at the time was one of the world's leading batsmen but after that he literally went fishing. The only way pople could understand his story is if they could arrive at the airport as AnSy feel the demeanor of the people he came across such as people in service industries, staff at the airport, staff at hotels and people he met in the streets. It is hard to explain a feeling.

Otherwise, people who put up with this behavior are some of the toughest, thick skinned people going around. Try approaching some tough guy and make a slight smart arsed remark and see how quickly you can get your head knocked off.

Portia qualified her comments by saying that she too can traverse the boundaries of inappropriateness (Adam Goodes) but she realized that she isn't Adam Goodes and when a person says they are offended it won't kill you to listen. She is also an Aussie who likes a bit of banter but when she points out that it has gone too far she is making sure that we can keep on being ourselves but are clear about the boundaries. I enjoyed her post and thoiught that it was actually good natured and sincere.

great post

 

[Papa G]

I honestly didn't know Portia was female for about 7 years and still picture her as a panting Dom Cassisi which was her avatar at the time I joined BigFooty.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I honestly didn't know Portia was female for about 7 years and still picture her as a panting Dom Cassisi which was her avatar at the time I joined BigFooty.

Well in fairness.

 

[Del80659]

Can we move it onto a thread where we talk about the small things port can improve on?
Like i presumed this was about

I'll start us off
Bigger range at the salad bar

i guess we should tackle the important shit first - to the salad bar thread!

 

[Changaneen]

Portia ive been under a rock of late, have my own issues.

I'm sure your initial post quoted me as saying " Play like girls "

I did say this somewhere, and it would've been in jest. Probably quoting Ollie and what he said. Anyway i have two well adjusted daughters, both early twenties. One lives at home still, the other has her own life and my two grandsons.

I always wrestled with them, calling them weak arses, which made them try harder and harder every time we had a play fight. My youngest daughter called it bash em crash em time. In the odd occasion i got a blood nose when they got really determined. While their mother ( my beautiful wife ) would sit on the side lines and just be a brilliant mumma. I still think to this day that my girls are well adjusted both mentally and physically because of a good male and female balance in their growing up. They are tough girls. They are very soft but don't take any shit from outsiders, or even family members.

I agree with a lot about what you have to say, but it doesn't hurt to have some fun in regard to females and their weaker side. It brings out the toughness in them. And believe me you wouldn't want to cross that.

 

[SilenceOz]

panting Dom Cassisi

...Jessica Jones/Krysten Ritter is an improvement on Dom Cassisi.

 

[Changaneen]

Bring it on girls !!!!!

 

[rogerjames]

Symonds treatment was appalling. Cricket Oz were pathetic. He may of strayed sometimes but that was a time he should have been backed 100%. And we're racist. Lol