Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

[Burnsy01]

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Maybe someone can enlighten me, was the roof always going to be a hybrid wood / steel construction or was that a revision?

I thought it was going to be 100% timber

Was always going to be a hybrid

 

[The_Wookie]

believe the AFL are making out like gangsters in this arrangement.

how?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

how?

From a distance... it seems that they are over controlling the stadium PACKAGE, contributing very little(considering their TV rights financial gains) , taking no responsibility for cost over runs, dangling all this over the teams entry, whilst not demanding similar arrangements for GWS and the Suns.

Perhaps all Tasmanians consider the AFL's requirements fair(I don't know?). It seems like an enormous price to pay to be shared by 600,000? people(especially for north Tasmanians who have no interest in footy.)

I'm sure the team will go ahead, but I think the AFL could afford to be more generous.

 

[The_Wookie]

From a distance... it seems that they are over controlling the stadium PACKAGE, contributing very little(considering their TV rights financial gains) , taking no responsibility for cost over runs, dangling all this over the teams entry, whilst not demanding similar arrangements for GWS and the Suns.

They are contributing 15m for the stadium, taking no ownership or operating control of what will be a publicly owned and operated asset - they DID require a new stadium in Carrara and an updated stadium at the Sydney Showgrounds. They just didnt require a roof - which was PUT TO THE LEAGUE BY TASGOV.

As for not contributing rights gains, you show me a league or sport in the country thats required to. Ill also note that the League will be on the hook for 20+ million a year to keep the team viable. As well as contributing to its training facility and tens of millions in development funding.

Perhaps all Tasmanians consider the AFL's requirements fair(I don't know?). It seems like an enormous price to pay to be shared by 600,000? people(especially for north Tasmanians who have no interest in footy.)

I'm sure the team will go ahead, but I think the AFL could afford to be more generous.

I think Tasmania could have been slightly less desperate, but make no mistake they were desperate to get the AFL in bed with them. It wasnt the other way around.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

They are contributing 15m for the stadium, taking no ownership or operating control of what will be a publicly owned and operated asset - they DID require a new stadium in Carrara and an updated stadium at the Sydney Showgrounds. They just didnt require a roof - which was PUT TO THE LEAGUE BY TASGOV.

As for not contributing rights gains, you show me a league or sport in the country thats required to. Ill also note that the League will be on the hook for 20+ million a year to keep the team viable. As well as contributing to its training facility and tens of millions in development funding.



I think Tasmania could have been slightly less desperate, but make no mistake they were desperate to get the AFL in bed with them. It wasnt the other way around.

I'm not sure if the AFL controlled the exact site of the Carrara stadium, and I appreciate that building costs have inflated, but Hobart's stadium will cost about 10 times more with a fraction of the population.

I didn't meet a single person(through conversation) on a recent Tassie visit that supported the Mac Point stadium.

Good luck with the precedings and Go Devil's when they get going, they'll be just about everyone's favourite second team.

 

[The_Wookie]

I'm not sure if the AFL controlled the exact site of the Carrara stadium, and I appreciate that building costs have inflated, but Hobart's stadium will cost about 10 times more with a fraction of the population.

It was Gold Coast Council owned and then handed over to the Queensland Government. It is currently operated by the AFL.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

It was Gold Coast Council owned and then handed over to the Queensland Government. It is currently operated by the AFL.

I just noticed your Kananook Oval profile thingy.
Are you from Franga?
I went to school there in the 70's.

 

[Hodgey 15]

I'm not sure if the AFL controlled the exact site of the Carrara stadium, and I appreciate that building costs have inflated, but Hobart's stadium will cost about 10 times more with a fraction of the population.

I didn't meet a single person(through conversation) on a recent Tassie visit that supported the Mac Point stadium.

Good luck with the precedings and Go Devil's when they get going, they'll be just about everyone's favourite second team.

I don't know who you hung out with but just about every person I've spoken to in Tassie is in support of stadium. And I've spoken to a lot of people about it in my line of work.

 

[The_Wookie]

I just noticed your Kananook Oval profile thingy.
Are you from Franga?
I went to school there in the 70's.

Live in Frankston and Seaford for 5 years in the late 80s and early 90s. Went to school in the Pines, played junior footy with Kananook and Frankston East

 

[TassieSaint]

From a distance... it seems that they are over controlling the stadium PACKAGE, contributing very little(considering their TV rights financial gains) , taking no responsibility for cost over runs, dangling all this over the teams entry, whilst not demanding similar arrangements for GWS and the Suns.

Perhaps all Tasmanians consider the AFL's requirements fair(I don't know?). It seems like an enormous price to pay to be shared by 600,000? people(especially for north Tasmanians who have no interest in footy.)

I'm sure the team will go ahead, but I think the AFL could afford to be more generous.

In an ideal world, the AFL would have granted us a license years ago with zero conditions attached. But realistically that is daydreaming stuff. As it happens they, and more to the point the 18 clubs that need to agree on the license, would only do so if we presented a business case where the Tasmanian team wasn't an ongoing charity case. It's under those conditions that we successfully argued our way in with the stadium as the key piece that makes the team viable financially. As much as I could mount an argument that the league owes us a lot as a state, I can't begrudge them putting that condition on a licence. It is up to us now to build the infrastructure that makes the team viable

 

[madmug]

I still can't understand why Mac Point 2.0 isn't being considered as an alternative stadium. The two big criticisms in the TPC report were the visual impact of such a large building on the skyline of the waterfront and the cost to government.

Mac Point 2.0 addresses both of these.

I have no idea. Its only about 200 metres from the Macpoint stadium site.

 

[BomberManU]

Interested to see the engineering solutions for the roof - looks very flat, for such large spans. Have any drawings/details been released?

 

[Truetiger]

They are contributing 15m for the stadium, taking no ownership or operating control of what will be a publicly owned and operated asset - they DID require a new stadium in Carrara and an updated stadium at the Sydney Showgrounds. They just didnt require a roof - which was PUT TO THE LEAGUE BY TASGOV.

As for not contributing rights gains, you show me a league or sport in the country thats required to. Ill also note that the League will be on the hook for 20+ million a year to keep the team viable. As well as contributing to its training facility and tens of millions in development funding.



I think Tasmania could have been slightly less desperate, but make no mistake they were desperate to get the AFL in bed with them. It wasnt the other way around.

However, Tasmania as a state would receive a significant contribution if it were built. The requests for a stadium were made by the task force, not the AFL.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

April 2021 McGuire was the first to go public that any Tassie stadium needs a roof.

Whilst McGuire has a lot of ideas, many good ones, some not so good, he wouldn't have gone hard on the roof if he didn't get any decent feedback from AFL executives and Commission that's what they wanted.

At 1.20 he says it needs a roof then at 1.25 he talks about One Influential Tasmanian who knows a bit about the caper said to me - Macquarie Point Hobart .... is smack bang in the centre of town, the joint will go nuclear, he told me. Then McGuire goes on about concerts and other sporting events there and the benefit of a roof.

 

[hr_23]

April 2021 McGuire was the first to go public that any Tassie stadium needs a roof.

Whilst McGuire has a lot of ideas, many good ones, some not so good, he wouldn't have gone hard on the roof if he didn't get any decent feedback from AFL executives and Commission that's what they wanted.

At 1.20 he says it needs a roof then at 1.25 he talks about One Influential Tasmanian who knows a bit about the caper said to me - Macquarie Point Hobart .... is smack bang in the centre of town, the joint will go nuclear, he told me. Then McGuire goes on about concerts and other sporting events there and the benefit of a roof.

He also wants a roof on the MCG

 

[Gibbke]

My question, as a northerner with a limited knowledge of Hobart but access to GoogleEarth (!), and having read a comment above that said the TCA didn't score as many viability points as MacQuarie Pt - why isn't a TCA redevelopment and rebuild being considered?

Heritage listing? Too much work to fix 19th century drainage? Punters won't like going up a hill? What's the deal...?

 

[fargothegreat]

My question, as a northerner with a limited knowledge of Hobart but access to GoogleEarth (!), and having read a comment above that said the TCA didn't score as many viability points as MacQuarie Pt - why isn't a TCA redevelopment and rebuild being considered?

Heritage listing? Too much work to fix 19th century drainage? Punters won't like going up a hill? What's the deal...?

Scored poorly for access and is too close to a suburban area (Glebe).

 

[BoomerRoo]

My question, as a northerner with a limited knowledge of Hobart but access to GoogleEarth (!), and having read a comment above that said the TCA didn't score as many viability points as MacQuarie Pt - why isn't a TCA redevelopment and rebuild being considered?

Heritage listing? Too much work to fix 19th century drainage? Punters won't like going up a hill? What's the deal...?

Heritage listing is 80% of the issue.

 

[sherb]

But was it in there written manifesto?

It's a proposed stadium, not a mass shooting.

 

[sherb]

Speaking to one of the Labor candidates before the election, the fear of what this will do to investor and business confidence is a genuine one is my impression. I would've thought a lot of that damage is already done, but if this all falls over we'll be a laughing stock and who in their right mind would want to try and start any major development down here.

I've thought that for quite some time, who in their right mind would want to invest dollars into a significant project in Tassie given the cluster**** that the stadium issue has become.

 

[sherb]

Scored poorly for access and is too close to a suburban area (Glebe).

If I remember correctly, the TCA ground is the only first-class cricket ground in the country which has seen play suspended (or abandoned?) because of the wind.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I've thought that for quite some time, who in their right mind would want to invest dollars into a significant project in Tassie given the cluster**** that the stadium issue has become.

Yeah, ridiculous isn't it. Stadium or otherwise imagine you're a person who has the money to invest in Tasmania for some sort of unique project (that Tasmania needs to arrest its decline) and you don't know if whatever idea you have won't get swallowed up in some sort of election, review process or directly or indirectly some 76 year old retiree saying "I don't like how it looks" (while continuing to enjoy pension and healthcare benefits funded from the mainland).

Why would anyone bother.

 

[Hodgey 15]

‘We are building a stadium’: Extensive work underway ahead of Mac Point vote

Minister Kerry Vincent said the government is pushing forward to get the project off the ground…

pulsetasmania.com.au

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

‘We are building a stadium’: Extensive work underway ahead of Mac Point vote

Minister Kerry Vincent said the government is pushing forward to get the project off the ground…

pulsetasmania.com.au

Well that's a bit underwhelming.
I thought the first sod was being turned over going by the headlines...just more politician's working hard.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Well that's a bit underwhelming.
I thought the first sod was being turned over going by the headlines...just more politician's working hard.

We're almost there but not quite yet.