Mac Point Stadium! - "Tas Says Yes!"

[jj15]

Why so confident? At the end of the day way more people care about hospitals and government services even if not efficient compared to sport. Its not as if every Tasmanian loves Aussie Rules, ones who don't watch will be opposed.

Those people lost the vote. What can’t you see? Most Tasmanians want the stadium because they want the team. End of story it’s done.
Like I said most Tasmanians don’t care about hospitals or government services until it’s too late. They don’t forward think. It’s a bad deal but it’s a deal and they can carry on thinking their son or daughter will be a chance of playing in it however unlikely that is.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Those people lost the vote. What can’t you see? Most Tasmanians want the stadium because they want the team. End of story it’s done.
Like I said most Tasmanians don’t care about hospitals or government services until it’s too late. They don’t forward think. It’s a bad deal but it’s a deal and they can carry on thinking their son or daughter will be a chance of playing in it however unlikely that is.

"Like I said most Tasmanians don't care about hospitals or government services until it's too late"
Nail on head on one

 

[Hodgey 15]

Design showcase opens for proposed Macquarie Point stadium

The Macquarie Point Development Corporation has made 3D models…

pulsetasmania.com.au

 

[jj15]

"Like I said most Tasmanians don't care about hospitals or government services until it's too late"
Nail on head on one

Yerp, that’s a reality. I don’t agree with it but it’s what actually exists.

 

[spike101]

Why so confident? At the end of the day way more people care about hospitals and government services even if not efficient compared to sport. Its not as if every Tasmanian loves Aussie Rules, ones who don't watch will be opposed.

Why is the AFL in control; if I was a negotiator in the Tasmanian government I would say give us more money otherwise the PR for you would be terrible. Easy peasy.

 

[spike101]

Because people are understanding of the idea of bold thinking of big investment projects to change the path that Tasmania is on, and more hospital and services funding doesn't do anything structurally to the state in terms of the problems it faces (e.g., skilled young employees and the knowledge economy remaining within the state).

People are confident because it's not as if there's a realistic alternate plan of action. What other massive 8-figure investment do people propose that will be comparable in terms of state pride, tourism, health, and job opportunities? The fact that nobody can come up with a comparable proposal suggests there isn't a better one.

The stadium may not be guaranteed, but the benefits of an AFL team are real. The reason it may not be guaranteed because I think confidence in how often and the economic benefits of non-AFL events in the stadium - it's dubious that sports events will get 20,000 for non BBL and AFL, or that entertainers and national tours will still want to go to Hobart (I'm sceptical of that).

But given all that I'm surprised that e.g. the Tasmania government hasn't looked to get more bang for their buck in terms of what's guaranteed to fill the stadium - more AFL games. A 19th team needs a 24th game - what if we had a first week of March season-opener Gather Round and launch in Tasmania?

There are already too many games, by about week 8 you can tell which teams won’t make the 8 or 9 if there are 20 teams. It’s so boring watching teams getting flogged week after week after week

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I think the Greens will support it, if the projected financial figures are acceptable.
The stadium's biggest issue is cost vs. tiny population.
I'd like the AFL to be open to a plan 'B'.

Whats plan b though Blundstone is not capable of being expanded beyond what it currently is and would be an absolute hand break on club it would be an extremely short term option . The only viable option is ditching the roof build the stadium so it can be added at a later date

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Whats plan b though Blundstone is not capable of being expanded beyond what it currently is and would be an absolute hand break on club it would be an extremely short term option . The only viable option is ditching the roof build the stadium so it can be added at a later date

I've already been shot down over this, by Tassie locals(and fair enough, they would know more than me) but North Hobart TCA ground, redeveloped over time would be cheaper, and is centrally located.
Apparently the heritage issues can't be worked around?
If it was presented in a way that...'could we overlook a small amount of heritage damage in exchange for a reduction in the $1.13 billion(and rising) debt?'
Either way, I think the plan A will be approved...despite it making no financial sense, when funds are desperately needed in more urgent areas.
The independent politicians will be under massive pressure to not be the one's responsible for scuttling the Devils.(they'd be as infamous as John Kerr removing Gough in the 70's)

 

[TradeDraft]

Whats plan b though Blundstone is not capable of being expanded beyond what it currently is and would be an absolute hand break on club it would be an extremely short term option . The only viable option is ditching the roof build the stadium so it can be added at a later date

Doubt they would Except that unless give a Gurantee of a Time it will be Added

Could you even Add a Roof to a Stadium after it's Built?

 

[The_Wookie]

Why is the AFL in control; if I was a negotiator in the Tasmanian government I would say give us more money otherwise the PR for you would be terrible. Easy peasy.

The Tasmanian Government drove this - the AFL had repeatedly said a team in Tasmania wasnt viable - and it was on them to give the AFL whjat they wanted.

 

[TradeDraft]

The Tasmanian Government drove this - the AFL had repeatedly said a team in Tasmania wasnt viable - and it was on them to give the AFL whjat they wanted.

Then why Okay it when they where pretty sure it could end in Disaster?

 

[madmug]

Why is the AFL in control; if I was a negotiator in the Tasmanian government I would say give us more money otherwise the PR for you would be terrible. Easy peasy.

Its not the AFL's stadium. They'll provide the anchor tenant, the Devils FC. The AFL will support the new club with $360million over its first decade. The MapPoint Stadium/Convention centre complex will be used far more often by users other than the AFL.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Its not the AFL's stadium. They'll provide the anchor tenant, the Devils FC. The AFL will support the new club with $360million over its first decade. The MapPoint Stadium/Convention centre complex will be used far more often by users other than the AFL.

Of which about $200m will be just standard distributions.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The Tasmanian Government drove this - the AFL had repeatedly said a team in Tasmania wasnt viable - and it was on them to give the AFL whjat they wanted.

The Tasmanian government are idiots.

 

[Saucery]

The Tasmanian government are idiots.

Hey now go easy, that's insulting us idiots

 

[Tandy]

In order to jump through the hopes of the TAS government and the ones that like to make things this difficult I would have preferred the AFL to have left some wiggle room. So that you can make everyone "happy" along the way, giving everyone a sense of authority/control. Most politicians are in it for themselves under the guise of looking after their electorates. So someone like Lamby, even though it seems like she likes to play the opposite game. Could they have done the work prior to persuade her it's in her best interests.

Maybe no roof, bigger capacity with a guarantee of a roof within 10 years. Or assist the government with alternative locations.

The AFL can't turn back on their words now re no stadium no team. I would have preferred they didn't come out and say that at all. The PR alone on bending a little isn't worth it to them.

 

[Tandy]

Also that's just an uneducated rant off the top of my head

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hey now go easy, that's insulting us idiots

I mean I could give a general comment on Tasmanians (although to be fair i would make the same criticism of most people in most states its society wide these days) but my grandma told me to be polite so I better keep my thoughts to myself

 

[Truetiger]

Was on the news again tonight, more about Mac Point 2 not being given a fair go. Surely something gets up.

 

[Islander]

Was on the news again tonight, more about Mac Point 2 not being given a fair go. Surely something gets up.

I think they will end up having a more serious look at this before the final decision is made. They need to do a cost benefit analysis on this proposal which considering the government spend is capped at $750 million on this you would think it will be better than Mac Point.

 

[The_Wookie]

I think they will end up having a more serious look at this before the final decision is made. They need to do a cost benefit analysis on this proposal which considering the government spend is capped at $750 million on this you would think it will be better than Mac Point.

They dont need to do anything about an unsolicited private development that turned up after the stadium contract was signed. They can literally ignore it.

 

[BoomerRoo]

I think they will end up having a more serious look at this before the final decision is made. They need to do a cost benefit analysis on this proposal which considering the government spend is capped at $750 million on this you would think it will be better than Mac Point.

I can 100% assure you, Mac Point 2.0 is dead & buried!

 

[Turbochook]

Looks like Abetz is playing a soft hand with this budget, which bodes well for the stadium vote. Though he does acknowledge that the May budget will not be so kind.

Abetz reveals lower Tasmanian debt, recommits to public service job cuts

Tasmanian Treasurer Eric Abetz has vowed to take "decisive action" to rein in the ballooning debt, but the "interim" state budget contains few major initiatives.

www.abc.net.au

Edit:

Though for those amongst us who live here there are some conflicting views as to its veracity.

Tasmania's budget 'pretty dire' with 'no easy way out', economists say

Independent economist Saul Eslake and Deloitte's Cedric Hodges warn there is no easy way out of Tasmania's dire budget situation, after the treasurer delivered an "interim" budget with little in the way of concrete solutions for fixing the state's debt.

www.abc.net.au

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Was on the news again tonight, more about Mac Point 2 not being given a fair go. Surely something gets up.

Maq point 2 would have absolutely no chance of being approved it’s designed has it being built half over water with a retractable roof the cost blowouts would be insane,also can you imagine the the environmental concerns there would be the greens would have a field day it’s a absolute pipe dream