Society/Culture The tax system explained in beer

[Bombermania]

In this case I strongly disagree.

Huh so you think owning a particular brand of car signifies biggest problems than a full blown civil war in Syria which has become the play thing of various powers while civilians are being killed or displaced.

 

[RupieDupie]

Really! I would have thought the situation in Syria might have been a bigger sign of what is wrong with the world than owning a type of car.

Watching Sesame Street for five minutes gives a person all the skills they need to overcome the issues that we see in Syria, and indeed most national and international problems. They are not caused by complex interplay of a series of non-linearly related events positively reinforced through chaos theory which can only be unravelled through simultaneous engagement with a supercomputer and the Bhagavad Gita. In most cases all problems can be reduced to one or more fat see you en tees wanting to fill their enormous gullet "me me me munny munny munny"

 

[Bombermania]

With median house prices in some cities at the $800K to $1M range nowadays I'm pretty sure being able to afford one (nowadays) makes a person rich. Just saving to get the 20% deposit would be roughly how much the whole house would have cost (taking account CGI) if they were proportional to the cost of the pre-2000s (and the person would presumably need to pay rent). Houses are priced as a luxury item.

Investment (in a "munny" sense of the word) is a lot like the "observer" effect, not in the quantum sense of the word, but if a person checks the pressure in their bike tyres (depending on the tech they use) they may have to release some of the tyre pressure and therefore always measure a relatively deflated value. One way to look at this is investment (in a "munny" sense of the word), where a person is only investing in a good / service to get a return on their investment, they would want the perceived value to exceed the actual value with no additional work / investment (like artificially limiting the supply) and therefore, in this instance, the perceived value is inflated, so when a person actually buys the good / service they make a measurement whereby, for example, a 1960s built dilapidated house in the 2010s is still a 1960s built dilapidated house, (in some areas) it only costs ~5 x more.

I wasn't so much referring to buying in now although anyone that has held onto their home for a number of years would have gained substantially from the capital gains even for properties you look at and they are little more than a 1960s era brick veneer house which is why recent market cooling is a good thing as some of the prices particularly for Sydney were just over the top.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

But that's what "they" want you to believe. That without incompetent leadership people will just turn to Anarchy (in the Batman movie sense of the word), we need to have people who dress in suits (spandex and leather) to brutalise us, so we do not brutalise each other.

Mate, I work with underground miners, they're not to more advanced than what originally walked out of a pond.

 

[RupieDupie]

Mate, I work with underground miners, they're not to more advanced than what originally walked out of a pond.

The people on top are less than this, the senior manager, would have legally done to them worse and still come out in "modern societal" terms as the person in the right, due to animus possidendi and several other Latin terms. These people are garbage.

 

[faible]

The people on top are less than this, the senior manager, would have legally done to them worse and still come out in "modern societal" terms as the person in the right, due to animus possidendi and several other Latin terms. These people are garbage.

You paint a rather broad stereotype there, of both parties.

 

[RupieDupie]

You paint a rather broad stereotype there, of both parties.

Well, if I were studying number theory and more specifically prime numbers, one method I might utilise is a sieve method, for example, except for the number 2 all even numbers are not prime, and therefore employing this sieve method I can ignore all even numbers when considering whether a number is prime or not. This statement, that all even numbers with the exception of the number "2" are not prime, is based on a structural characteristic of the number, this number would not pass through the sieve.

In a hierarchical society, I am looking at a similar problem, I am considering only that which can get through the sieve and through to the top, firstly, if a person cheats they are more likely to get to the top, secondly, if a person is less likely to be altruistic they will increase their chance to the top at the expense of others, thirdly, if there are laws, rules, or behaviours which favour some people over others these former people are more likely to get to the top, fourthly, if a person has a want for more than they can utilise at the expense of other people they are greedy, fifthly, if the person is a thug they are more likely to move up etc etc. The person ultimately has to possess certain characteristics to get to the top.

 

[Twoslabs]

He mentions over and over again that he works for his Dad's company.

Interesting ... I assume that the position was advertised in his beloved "free market" and he was the best candidate for it and wasn't handed the job on a platter due to the family connection

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Interesting ... I assume that the position was advertised in his beloved "free market" and he was the best candidate for it and wasn't handed the job on a platter due to the family connection

So why don't you ask your dad why he didn't set up a business like my dad did ?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

He mentions over and over again that he works for his Dad's company.

Your dad could of set up a business to you do realise ?

 

[Twoslabs]

So why don't you ask your dad why he didn't set up a business like my dad did ?

Simple you campaigner most of my family came back from overseas after serving their country broken men.

I think I've explained that previously that I came from a military family as did Mrs Slabs .... Anyway it wasn't my cup of tea so I'm in management for a major financial institution after 30+ years of service.

Now over to you champ, was your position advertised in the free market in order to determine your worth or did you get because you're "daddy's boy".

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Your dad could of set up a business to you do realise ?

Why would I want to be handed a job rather than earning one?

 

[Twoslabs]

Why would I want to be handed a job rather than earning one?

Help I feel dirty, I agreeing with you

In all seriousness I will not be dictated to by a neo-con who wants to dismantle the things that have tried to make this a fair and equitable society all the whilst living of daddy's money

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Simple you campaigner most of my family came back from overseas after serving their country broken men.

I think I've explained that previously that I came from a military family as did Mrs Slabs .... Anyway it wasn't my cup of tea so I'm in management for a major financial institution after 30+ years of service.

Now over to you champ, was your position advertised in the free market in order to determine your worth or did you get because you're "daddy's boy".

No my job was not advertised, I have acknowledged many times I was was fortunate that my dad had set up a medium size business. My dads business is just that his business, it belongs to him like a house belongs to a homeowner. The fact I have benefited from my dads good choices does not mean that others can not be successful. If you don't have much money than in most cases you have made some bad choices.

 

[Taylor]

The opinion of managers is quite common, then someone is promoted to manager and their eyes open.

 

[Power Raid]

you can pick the guys who like free beer

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Why would I want to be handed a job rather than earning one?

We both know that if you were offered a good paying job by a family member you would of taken it. If for some reason you said no well that's a good example of a bad choice.

Saying someone who has wealthy parents should not take a handout is like saying someone who wins tats lotto shouldn't collect his winnings.

 

[Twoslabs]

No my job was not advertised, I have acknowledged many times I was was fortunate that my dad had set up a medium size business. My dads business is just that his business, it belongs to him like a house belongs to a homeowner. The fact I have benefited from my dads good choices does not mean that others can not be successful. If you don't have much money than in most cases you have made some bad choices.

Then stop trying to dismantle social welfare, bring in a GP co-payment etc and basically being a right wing neo-con douche bag.

The simple fact is that not everyone can be successful in a high paying job, toilets still need to be cleaned and if everyone makes "good" choices we'll have to import more people into this country to do the crap jobs which will create a new underclass and we'll be back to this same conversation in x number of years

Remember the biggest enemy of business is full employment, when that happens workers hold the power not business and our system is structured to ensure that NEVER occurs.

 

[Taylor]

First step is a basic standard of living definition, then the cost of that per area determined, then supplement incomes to that level and employers can pay what they want - but their tax is determined by how much top up their employees need

 

[Bombermania]

Then stop trying to dismantle social welfare, bring in a GP co-payment etc and basically being a right wing neo-con douche bag.

The simple fact is that not everyone can be successful in a high paying job, toilets still need to be cleaned and if everyone makes "good" choices we'll have to import more people into this country to do the crap jobs which will create a new underclass and we'll be back to this same conversation in x number of years

Remember the biggest enemy of business is full employment, when that happens workers hold the power not business and our system is structured to ensure that NEVER occurs.

Full employment is not a business concept, it is an economic concept based on a supply and demand modal. There is no system designed to prevent full employment, it just doesn't happen very often as populations are not stagnant and workers change jobs and industries or leave the workforce for other reasons therefore its not easy to measure and there is only once clear case of it happening way back in the 1960s with a newspaper headline described the number of jobs advertised being higher than the number of people looking for work.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

And some talentless fools can't comprehend their own mediocrity and delude themselves into thinking they are benefitting from a fair system rewarding them for their brilliance even when they clearly are completely lacking in talent and intelligence and are only succeeding through their inheritance.

I love how people who get advantaged in early life love to rent about how important meritocracies are.

They're also the first people to argue against estate taxes and anything else that makes the world closer to a meritocracy.

It reminds me of how Victorians love to attack non-Vic clubs for whatever perceived advantage they can think of, yet the MCG advantage supposedly doesn't exist.

 

[QuietB]

So why don't you ask your dad why he didn't set up a business like my dad did ?

Where would you be without daddy?

 

[Hoops]

Been over this before, a persons wage is decided by their value on the free market. If a person does not earn much its because they don't have anything of value to offer on the free market.

What does value on the free market have to do with tax?

 

[QuietB]

I just have to share this awesome video with you all that explains our tax system in very simple terms.

WTF is that shit?

I want to be mates with the bloke who is going to pick up 59% of my weekly bar tab. Who is he?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Then stop trying to dismantle social welfare, bring in a GP co-payment etc and basically being a right wing neo-con douche bag.

The simple fact is that not everyone can be successful in a high paying job, toilets still need to be cleaned and if everyone makes "good" choices we'll have to import more people into this country to do the crap jobs which will create a new underclass and we'll be back to this same conversation in x number of years

Remember the biggest enemy of business is full employment, when that happens workers hold the power not business and our system is structured to ensure that NEVER occurs.

Socialism does nothing for the poor and has always failed. At the moment we live in a country were 80% of a person income tax goes towards welfare, this is socialism.

If you want people on low incomes to get higher wages and you want lower costs of living than you need to lower taxes and government expenditure.