The Transfers Thread

[Magma]

i wonder if we'll hear platini's thoughts on willian moving to anzhi for 34 mil.

havent heard him say much about psg or anzhi. after being so critical of us. twat.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

All the EPL transfers this window:
http://www.bigpondsport.com/all-the-epl-january-transfers/tabid/91/newsid/101623/default.aspx

ARSENAL
INS: Nacho Monreal (£8.2 million from Malaga).
OUTS: Marouane Chamakh (loan from West Ham), Johan Djourou (loan from Hannover) Chuks Aneke (loan from Crewe).
ASTON VILLA
INS: Yacouba Sylla (£2 million from Clermont Foot), Simon Dawkins (loan from Tottenham).
OUTS: Alan Hutton (loan to Real Mallorca), Stephen Warnock (free to Leeds).
CHELSEA
INS: Demba Ba (£7 million from Newcastle), Wallace (undisclosed from Fluminense).
OUTS: Daniel Sturridge (£12 million to Liverpool), Todd Kane (loan to Blackburn), Billy Clifford (loan to Colchester), Sam Walker (loan to Colchester), Lucas Piazon (loan to Malaga), Patrick Bamford (loan to MK Dons).
EVERTON
INS: John Stones (£3 million from Barnsley).
OUTS: Ross Barkley (loan to Leeds), Anton Forrester (free to Blackburn), Magaye Gueye (loan to Brest).
FULHAM
INS: Chris David (undisclosed, from FC Twente), Urby Emanuelson (loan from AC Milan), Stanislav Manolev (loan from PSV), Eyong Enoh (loan from Ajax).
OUTS: Stephen Kelly (undisclosed, to Reading), David Stockdale (loan to Hull), Pajtim Kasami (undisclosed, to Pescara).
LIVERPOOL
INS: Daniel Sturridge (£12 million from Chelsea), Philippe Coutinho (£8.5 million from Inter Milan).
OUTS: Adam Morgan (loan to Rotherham), Joe Cole (free to West Ham), Nuri Sahin (loan ended, to Borussia Dortmund), Danny Wilson (loan to Hearts), Michael Ngoo (loan to Hearts), Dani Pacheco (loan to Sociedad Deportiva Huesca), Doni (released).
MANCHESTER CITY
INS: Godsway Donyoh (free, Ghana's Right To Dream Academy).
OUTS: Mario Balotelli (£20 million to AC Milan), Luca Scapuzzi (loan to AS Varese), Alex Nimely (loan to Cyrstal Palace), Reece Wabara (loan to Blackpool), Jeremy Helan (loan to Sheffield Wednesday), Godsway Donyoh (loan to Djurgarden).
MANCHESTER UNITED
INS: Wilfried Zaha (£15 million from Crystal Palace).
OUTS: Robbie Brady (undisclosed, to Hull), Federico Macheda (loan to Stuttgart), Angelo Henriquez (loan to Wigan), Joshua King (undisclosed to Blackburn), Bebe (loan to Rio Ave), Davide Petrucci and Scott Wootton (loan to Peterborough), Luke McCullough (loan to Cheltenham).
NEWCASTLE
INS: Mathieu Debuchy (£5 million from Lille), Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa (£6.7 million from Montpellier), Yoann Gouffran (£1.4 million from Bordeaux), Massadio Haidara (£1.4 million from Lens), Moussa Sissoko (£2 million from Toulouse), Kevin Mbabu (undisclosed, from Servette).
OUTS: Demba Ba (£7 million to Chelsea), Conor Newton (loan to St Mirren), Mehdi Abeid (loan to St Johnstone), Xisco (released).
NORWICH
INS: Lee Camp (free from Nottingham Forest), Kei Kamara (loan from Sporting Kansas City), Luciano Becchio (swap deal, Leeds)
OUTS: Elliott Ward (loan to Nottingham Forest), Jacob Butterfield (loan to Crystal Palace), Simon Lappin (released), Steve Morison (swap deal, Leeds)
QUEENS PARK RANGERS
INS: Chris Samba (£12.5 million from Anzhi), Loic Remy (£8 million from Marseille), Jermaine Jenas (undisclosed, from Tottenham), Tal Ben Haim (free), Yun Suk-Young (undisclosed, from Chunnam Dragons), Andros Townsend (loan from Tottenham).
OUTS: Michael Harriman (loan to Wycombe), Kieron Dyer (released), Tom Hitchcock (loan to Bristol Rovers), Frankie Sutherland (loan to Portsmouth), Djibril Cisse (loan to Al Gharafa), Rob Hulse (loan to Millwall), Anton Ferdinand (loan to Bursaspor), Jordan Gibbons (loan to Inverness Caledonian Thistle), Alejandro Faurlin (loan to Palermo), DJ Campbell (undisclosed, to Blackburn)
READING
INS: Daniel Carrico (£600,000 from Sporting Lisbon), Stephen Kelly (undisclosed, from Fulham), Hope Akpan (undisclosed, from Crawley), Nick Blackman (£1.2million from Sheffield United).
OUTS: Dominic Samuel (loan to Colchester), Michael Hector (loan to Charlton).
SOUTHAMPTON
INS: Vegard Forren (undisclosed, from Molde).
OUTS: Ryan Dickson (loan to Bradford), Dan Seaborne (loan to Bournemouth), Jonathan Forte (loan to Sheffield United), Ben Reeves (loan to Southend), Lee Barnard (loan to Oldham), Steve de Ridder (loan to Bolton).
STOKE CITY
INS: Jack Butland (£5 million from Birmingham), Brek Shea (undisclosed, from FC Dallas).
OUTS: Danny Higginbotham (free to Sheffield United), Michael Tonge (undisclosed, to Leeds), Ryan Brunt (loan to Bristol Rovers), Maurice Edu (loan to Bursaspor), Rory Delap (loan to Barnsley), Jack Butland (loan to Birmingham), Matt Upson (loan to Brighton).
SUNDERLAND
INS: Danny Graham (£5 million from Swansea), Alfred N'Diaye (undisclosed, from Bursaspor), Kader Mangane (loan from Al Hilal).
OUTS: Ji Dong-won (loan to Augsburg), David Meyler (undisclosed, to Hull), Frazier Campbell (undisclosed, to Cardiff), Jonny Maddison (loan to Crawley), Ahmed Elmohamady (loan to Hull).
SWANSEA
INS: Roland Lamah (loan from Osasuna).
OUTS: Danny Graham (£5 million to Sunderland), Jamie Proctor (undisclosed, to Crawley Town), Jazz Richards (loan to Crystal Palace), Leroy Lita (loan from Sheffield Wednesday).
TOTTENHAM
INS: Lewis Holtby (£1.5m, Schalke), Zeki Fryers (undisclosed, from Standard Liege).
OUTS: Carlo Cudicini (undisclosed to LA Galaxy), Jermaine Jenas (undisclosed to QPR), Iago Falque (loan from Almeria), Souleymane Coulibaly (loan from US Grosetto), Alex Pritchard (loan from Peterborough), Ryan Mason (loan from Lorient), Simon Dawkins (loan from Aston Villa), Andros Townsend (loan from QPR).
WEST BROM
INS: -
OUTS: Chris Wood (undisclosed to Leicester), Gonzalo Jara (loan from Nottingham Forest), Sam Manton (free from Walsall), Craig Dawson (loan from Bolton), Yassine El Ghanassy (loan from Heerenveen).
WEST HAM
INS: Joe Cole (free from Liverpool), Marouane Chamakh (loan from Arsenal), Wellington Paulista (loan from Cruzeiro), Sean Maguire (undisclosed, from Waterford), Emmanuel Pogatetz (loan from Wolfsburg).
OUTS: Alou Diarra (loan to Rennes), Stephen Henderson (loan from Ipswich).
WIGAN
INS: Angelo Henriquez (loan from Manchester United), Roger Espinoza (undisclosed, from Sporting Kansas City), Joel Robles (loan from Atletico Madrid), Paul Scharner (loan from Hamburg)
OUTS: Rob Kiernan (loan from Brentford), Mauro Boselli (loan from Palermo).

 

[scottwade]

NEWCASTLE
INS: Debuchy, Yanga-Mbiwa, Moussa Sissoko (total £13.7 mill)

QUEENS PARK RANGERS
INS: Chris Samba (£12.5 million from Anzhi),

Wonder what is the 3 Toon players total weekly salary?

 

[Tulip]

List missed Gomes to Hoffenheim.

 

[FAITH]

I fear for qpr.
If they get relegated they will be in administration this time next yr

 

[Redalert]

QPR deserve it, its one thing when a club mismanages funds by inadvertently overspending but its another when its done deliberately, not putting relegation wage drop clauses in place and signing players on inflated wages is just idiotic, their not even trying to achieve financial solvency.

 

[moomba]

Don't have a problem with what QPR are doing at the moment.

Bottom place in the premier will get an extra £30m in TV revenue next year, parachute payments will shoot up.

Its worth spending to still be in the league.

They've bought in some big wages but they've lost some big wages as well (Cisse, Ferdinand, Nelson).

It's not sustainable but while the owners are prepared to cover it good luck to them.

 

[moomba]

Has anyone got a list of each clubs nett spend this season (summer and January window)?

 

[scottwade]

Has anyone got a list of each clubs nett spend this season (summer and January window)?

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/ is a good source, although they haven't as yet updated yesterday's transfers.

EDIT; Another source (that has been updated) http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/transferuebersicht/wettbewerb_GB1.html

 

[Thistle]

Has anyone got a list of each clubs nett spend this season (summer and January window)?

http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1718&teamTabs=transfers

 

[Magma]

10 clubs with a worse net spend than us.

ruining football.

 

[moomba]

10 clubs with a worse net spend than us.

ruining football.

Surprised we've spent so little. Also cut the wage bill by a fair amount I would think.

FFP hitting hard? Or saving it up for a summer splurge. Not sure to be honest.

 

[Magma]

Surprised we've spent so little. Also cut the wage bill by a fair amount I would think.

FFP hitting hard? Or saving it up for a summer splurge. Not sure to be honest.

six of one, half a dozen of the other. wary of ffp, and being content with the squad for now. i don;t see the point of bringing in a cavani now, behind in the championship, and basically putting all this pressure on him to perform in a new country straight away. the summer will be a massive turnover i reckon, wouldn't be surprised to see 7-8 first team names out, especially the high earning backups. probably won't be that much, but still. wage bill will be cut, more money from the television deal, some new sponsors, in txiki we trust.

 

[scottwade]

10 clubs with a worse net spend than us.

ruining football.

Net spend last 5 years, not including January window, for current PL teams.

No surprises the top 2, but didn't think the difference would be so great, but Stoke & Villa 3 &4 (admittedly based on net spend, rather than total expenditure)

Arsenal £45 mill profit on transfers over the 5 years.

 

[Magma]

i expect ours, just like chelsea's, to generally move down in figures in the coming years. that still incorporates the massive, massive spending of the first 2 seasons fully under the sheikh, which was to build this platform. a much smarter transfer/wage policy is set to be implemented.

speaking of financials, i'd love to see anzhi's figures if they're available.

 

[moomba]

Remembering of course that our nett spend was to get us from 9th spot to 1st. Chelsea, Man United etc were spending just to maintain their positions.

The last 2 years (once we had made it into the champions league and tapped into that revenue stream) our nett spend is behind United, Chelsea and Liverpool. In 5 years time you can run that table again and I doubt we'll be in top spot.

The other problem with something like a 5 year nett spend table is that if you have someone like Ronaldo on your books 6 years ago and you sell him your figures are going to instantly improve. 5 years ago our most saleable asset was probably Rolando Bianchi (and we sold him more than 5 years ago).

 

[scottwade]

speaking of financials, i'd love to see anzhi's figures if they're available.

Not as bad as you might think in the transfer market,(net loss of @ €130 mill) but the killer for them would be the wage bill.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/anzhi-makhachkala/transfers-alle/verein_2700.html

 

[Magma]

Not as bad as you might think in the transfer market,(net loss of @ €130 mill) but the killer for them would be the wage bill.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/anzhi-makhachkala/transfers-alle/verein_2700.html

i meant moreso with revenue and so, like an annual report. i can't see any possible way they deal with ffp. television money in russia is basically nothing. not sure what the go with sponsors are. a small stadium. they also have a humongous wage bill. unless they manage to get a psg sized sponsorship deal from somewhere it just seems so unlikely.

 

[BlueBen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21288404

Peterborough United say midfielder George Boyd's proposed move to Nottingham Forest fell through because of an "inconclusive eye test".

"Total disgrace, the whole thing," Posh chairman Darragh MacAnthony tweeted.

"I'm devastated for George. I got a phone call off him in bits."

He added: "George agreed terms with Forest and went there for a medical.

"He said that he passed the medical then they made him do an eye test. He's played 300 games and scored from the halfway line the other month, but Forest say he has an eyesight problem.

"The whole thing stinks. Alex McLeish wanted to sign him. It's the most ridiculous thing that's happened to me. He will be back at Peterborough."

 

[scottwade]

i meant moreso with revenue and so, like an annual report. i can't see any possible way they deal with ffp. television money in russia is basically nothing. not sure what the go with sponsors are. a small stadium. they also have a humongous wage bill. unless they manage to get a psg sized sponsorship deal from somewhere it just seems so unlikely.

Their current major sponsor is a kids with cancer charity (which the club's owner happens to be a major contributor towards) and given his connections and the Kremlin's desire to keep the region onside I'm tipping if need be they'll find sponsors to satisfy the ffp requirements.

All it needs it seems is some notional degree of arms length arrangement;
Man City owner, UAE sheik, major sponsor Etihad, official flag carrier of the UAE. chairman of which is the Man City's owner half-brother

PSG owner, Qatari investment group, current shirt sponsor Emirates, new sponsors include Qatar tourism authority (€200 mill pa until 2016) and in discussions with the Qatari national Bank (stadium deal)

 

[Cooldude]

Net spend last 5 years, not including January window, for current PL teams.
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No surprises the top 2, but didn't think the difference would be so great, but Stoke & Villa 3 &4 (admittedly based on net spend, rather than total expenditure)

Arsenal £45 mill profit on transfers over the 5 years.

The three real disgraces are Villa us and Arsenal. To spend that much and still be mediocre, and a club having cash leaking out its arseh*le and has a negative net spend

 

[BluesMan]

Lol, just saw a news update on channel 7 during the ad break... apparently Perth Glory missed out on signing Beckham. Jeez that deal must of been close ai.

 

[Magma]

yeah that was on nine news here too. that deal was dead in the water about 2 months ago.

 

[moomba]

Their current major sponsor is a kids with cancer charity (which the club's owner happens to be a major contributor towards) and given his connections and the Kremlin's desire to keep the region onside I'm tipping if need be they'll find sponsors to satisfy the ffp requirements.

All it needs it seems is some notional degree of arms length arrangement;
Man City owner, UAE sheik, major sponsor Etihad, official flag carrier of the UAE. chairman of which is the Man City's owner half-brother

PSG owner, Qatari investment group, current shirt sponsor Emirates, new sponsors include Qatar tourism authority (€200 mill pa until 2016) and in discussions with the Qatari national Bank (stadium deal)

You see these sort of arrangements right through football, not necessarily dodgy ones to get around FFP.

Adidas co-owner of Bayern Munich
Warrior partner of the Boston Redsox
Stoke sponsor Bet365 founded by Coates family (and not Sebastian)

The problem UEFA has is there is a strict definition of what constitutes a related party. Of the ones above I'd say Bayern Munich is the only one that would face the fair value test, maybe Stoke although I'm not sure what the corporate structure of Bet365 is.


From our point of view Etihad is not a related company, it has strong links to Manchester and has expanded it's interests in Manchester as a result of the sponsorship. Would they be a sponsor if Sheikh Mansour wasn't our owner? Probably not, but that doesn't mean that it isn't fair value. Look at some of the sponsorship deals flying around at the moment and £30-40m for a stadium and shirt of the current league champions as well as 80 acres of East Manchester doesn't seem too bad value.

 

[Tulip]

10 clubs with a worse net spend than us.

ruining football.

If you buy a player and then sell them, its unlikely that there'll be a huge margin.