Its going to get hard for Nats to be anti renewables when it will be mainly rural areas getting the jobs from it
The war against renewable energy
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Solar boom 'bringing hundreds of jobs' to Queensland's Darling Downs
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By Pip Courtney
Photo: The Darling Downs economy is being reinvigorated by the solar energy boom. (Landline)
Related Story: Solar power boom helps Queenslanders slash bills
A renewable energy boom across Queensland's Darling Downs is reinvigorating the region's economy, which suffered a sharp downturn when coal seam gas development slowed earlier than expected.
One council alone has approved one wind and 11 solar projects worth $6 billion.
"We've got $1.2 billion of that under construction now, and that's the exciting thing, this isn't just about approvals, this is about action to deliver renewable energies to this region," Western Downs Regional Council mayor Paul McVeigh said.
"And we know there are another three [solar farms] in the pipeline."
When the coal seam gas industry scaled back, hundreds of jobs were lost, rental vacancies soared, and businesses failed.
It's not quite fields of lavender is it? So we get fields of metal, rather than putting them on every roof, where the footprint has already been made. Why, so people like politicians sons can own Australians energy rather than the people themselves. They would do anything out of their greed/ stupidity.
Its a shame corporations havent taken tocovering their rooves
Obviously Bunnings still has coal interests but thats a lot of roof space
or even better
Public ownership of wind turbines like in Denmark where towns folk own shares in them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_wind_energy
Dayelsford is an Australian example
What better way to piss of the coal lovers than a socialist wind turbine
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Oh well at least the new guy is open to renewables................................................
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You mean this guy?
Morrison was obviously impressed, and has appointed one of the country’s leading anti-wind campaigns as his new energy minister, splitting the portfolio from environment. The new environment minister is a former lawyer for a mining company.
Kunkel served as deputy CEO of the Minerals Council for 6 years and four months before spending two years as head of government affairs (a political lobbying position) for the country’s biggest coal producers, Rio Tinto.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/former-coal-industry-boss-is-scott-morrisons-chief-of-staff-69647/
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Yeah Weirdo Angus
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Now i guess we will see the Adani coal mine pushed through ... failing all common sense
Self interested bull s**t stopping renewables, or at least attempting too by the RWNJ.
Thing is the renewables will certainly be cheaper and more sustainable in the long run and the time when it will be more so than coal is almost here.
It’s like the oil companies holding back the electric car, addicted to the old revenue models
Thing is the renewables will certainly be cheaper and more sustainable in the long run and the time when it will be more so than coal is almost here.
It’s like the oil companies holding back the electric car, addicted to the old revenue models
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Not stop renewables. Acknowledge that we still need coal fired power stations while feasible renewable technology is found and developed.
Shame this didnt have its own screaming headline and was buried inan article about preselection for Wentworth.
If his dad was going to spill the beans it would be to his son.
After Turnbull’s leadership loss last week, his son Alex Turnbull has started speaking publicly about his frustrations with the federal Coalition.
On Monday, Alex said he suspected a powerful group of coal mining companies on Australia’s east coast was having an “undue level of influence” on federal Liberal party policy.
He said the Coalition’s “singular fixation” on the Galilee Basin – a gigantic coal deposit in central Queensland – and on keeping ageing coal-fired power stations alive, had led him to believe “there are other forces at work” to explain the Coalition’s unproductive policymaking.
After telling Fairfax Media he was “massively in favour of a federal ICAC” to shine a light on the level of corruption in federal politics, he has told the ABC’s PM program that he’s concerned about the Liberal Party’s relationship with the coal industry.
“That there is an undue level of influence on Liberal Party policy by a very small group of miners who have some assets they probably now regret having purchased which did not make a lot of sense anymore and are trying to engineer an outcome which makes those projects economic,” he told the ABC on Monday.
“At some point we’ve got to decide whether to invest in things which have a brighter future and a longer term prospect or we can try to turn back the tide and fight forces beyond our control.
“I think there is a mistaken idea that there is a conflict between de-carbonisation and reducing power prices.
Renewables are the cheapest incremental source of power.
If firmed well with hydro projects, they are unquestionably the lowest-cost way to get more power generation and thus reduce peoples’ power bill,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...r-byelection-by-quitting-parliament-on-friday
If his dad was going to spill the beans it would be to his son.
After Turnbull’s leadership loss last week, his son Alex Turnbull has started speaking publicly about his frustrations with the federal Coalition.
On Monday, Alex said he suspected a powerful group of coal mining companies on Australia’s east coast was having an “undue level of influence” on federal Liberal party policy.
He said the Coalition’s “singular fixation” on the Galilee Basin – a gigantic coal deposit in central Queensland – and on keeping ageing coal-fired power stations alive, had led him to believe “there are other forces at work” to explain the Coalition’s unproductive policymaking.
After telling Fairfax Media he was “massively in favour of a federal ICAC” to shine a light on the level of corruption in federal politics, he has told the ABC’s PM program that he’s concerned about the Liberal Party’s relationship with the coal industry.
“That there is an undue level of influence on Liberal Party policy by a very small group of miners who have some assets they probably now regret having purchased which did not make a lot of sense anymore and are trying to engineer an outcome which makes those projects economic,” he told the ABC on Monday.
“At some point we’ve got to decide whether to invest in things which have a brighter future and a longer term prospect or we can try to turn back the tide and fight forces beyond our control.
“I think there is a mistaken idea that there is a conflict between de-carbonisation and reducing power prices.
Renewables are the cheapest incremental source of power.
If firmed well with hydro projects, they are unquestionably the lowest-cost way to get more power generation and thus reduce peoples’ power bill,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...r-byelection-by-quitting-parliament-on-friday
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There is something odd about the Liberal Party's obsession with coal, they talk endlessly about reliability yet they either choose to or they want to forget that its the network which determines reliability rather than the energy source. Anyone old enough to remember our great 1980s era matches will remember how the sight of a summer storm was usually met with the power going out. They are quick to raise renewable energy's use of subsidies yet in the next breathe they want coal and coal fired power stations taxpayer funded.
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https://www.theguardian.com/busines...electricity-than-nuclear-for-first-time-in-uk
Wind and solar make more electricity than nuclear for first time in UK
Wind and solar make more electricity than nuclear for first time in UK
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Unfortunately this is not going to work, we have anti-corruption agencies for anti-corruption agencies, and royal reviews of royal commissions, and unions of anti-corruption agencies. They're just words which become acronyms which are ineffectual. If AGL lost their license by c.o.b. this Thursday and had to sell off their assets to pay off their victims by c.o.b. Friday this week, then we will start to see some companies take notice.
If AGL was a welfare recipient in Werribee, owing $10.50, they would have the full force of the Victorian Police, Federal Police, ASIO, and the Terminator Centrelink Robo-debt collectors on them.
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When you've spent a decade ignoring every economist, scientist, engineer, financial, insurance, legal etc expert you're either really, really stupid or entirely corrupt.
Selling out the nation for a few coal lobby dollars. Lib/Nats are ******* treasonous scum and their fans cheering them on are utter ******* morons.
Selling out the nation for a few coal lobby dollars. Lib/Nats are ******* treasonous scum and their fans cheering them on are utter ******* morons.
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Times were (in imaginary land), there were consequences of doing so, nowadays big businesses are cheered on and are rewarded with a pat on the back and medals.
And we have coal fired stations.
The point is we don't need to build new coal fired power stations and we certainly do not need to subsidise coal for the benefit of a few private investors at the expense of alternative energy technologies which are cheaper, create more jobs, have less emissions and will be the future of energy.
You could almost guarantee that the issue of storage of renewable energy or a technology that produces baseload renewable energy will be resolved before a new coal fired power station is built and operational.
What is a publicly owner coal fired power station worth if that happens?
It is a white elephant for the ages.
Its only useful purpose would be to create an Australian Mt Rushmore carved into the chimney stacks.
Latest research is air pollution makes you dumber takes a years worth of eduction off you
No wonder the Coalalition is pro coal ....growing its voter base
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-huge-reduction-in-intelligence-study-reveals
No wonder the Coalalition is pro coal ....growing its voter base
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-huge-reduction-in-intelligence-study-reveals
What do you mean, "or"?
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You want to end subsidies on energy?
How about ending Federal government payments through the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) and the Green Bank (the Clean Energy Finance Corporation). End the SRES, that subsidies roof top solar panels. End subsidies to wind and large scale solar under the LRETD. Cease all state subsidies such as on rooftop panels.
Then we'll see how coal and natural gas power stacks up against the real price of renewables.
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YEAH! That'll stop renewables being cheaper all over the world too! That'll show them!
Thread is handy. Any time you read Minerals Council bullshit in Rupert and co's rags and wonder "who believes this s**t?" RWFWs that post in this thread believe it, that's who.
Thread is handy. Any time you read Minerals Council bullshit in Rupert and co's rags and wonder "who believes this s**t?" RWFWs that post in this thread believe it, that's who.
JFC it's cold. We must continue to raise utility prices until the climate is brought to heel!
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Not strictly true.
Reliability is dependent on continuity of supply. No point having 1,000 MW of solar or tidal power that is only generating at certain times of day. Life would be a lot easier if everyone just used the same amount of power all day every day but that's not how it works. The network needs to be capable of handling peak and off peak demand and the generation needs to follow suit.
The advantage to burning fossil fuels is that you can ramp up and down generation to match demand. I've been to Pinjar power station here and that has 9 gas driven turbines. Very flexible. It's harder to do that with renewables, but not impossible. The main reason solar and electric cars are taking off is development in battery technology. Roof top panels and credits from the electricity generators are great, but everyone still wants the 24/7 reliability of being connected to the grid - which if you're not paying for your power half the time means someone else has to foot the bill for.
I saw an TV ad once that I think was from Origin Energy. Their pitch was that they are moving to renewable energy over time but they can't switch off overnight otherwise you will have to do the same in your home. Sounds reasonable, even if it is just a throw away line from a corporation. The idea that we should be investing in new coal fired power stations is embarrassing. That's old tech and horrible for the environment. There should be zero govt funding going towards new coal fired stations.
I've also been to Collie which has been operating since 1999 and Muja which has been operating since the 1960s. Collie is as clean and efficient as is practicable for a coal station, Muja looks like something out of the industrial revolution and is due to be decommissioned this year and rightly so.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/29/california-electricity-fossil-fuels-wind-solar-vote
California moves towards 100% carbon-free electricity after landmark vote
California moves towards 100% carbon-free electricity after landmark vote
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Imagine trying to explain to an alien that some people think it's better to dig up stored sun energy in the form of millions of years old filthy rocks that are killing us instead of taking the energy directly from the sun
