Current The Western Australian Current Trials Thread

[Asapartyhat]

So you are saying the CSK went on a rampant number fest which derived his locations? And you feel this is what he did?

Jane Rimmer went missing 9/6/1996 add up numbers equals 40.Add 4+0=4.Body found dumped off Woolcoot Road in Wellard.

So what does that correlate with? What does 4 have anything to do with? You havent supplied a Woolcoot "map number" for a 13. There is no relevance in your statement. Nothing adds up.

Youre the one with the 1996 UBD, fire away.

street smart map not ubd . saying that 3+1 =4 and Jane Rimmer (went missing on 9/6/1996 and add up those numbers 9+ 6 +1+9+9+6 =40 and 4+0=4 ) was found on woolcoot road which is on map 283 2+8+3=13. 3+1=4. (With me so far)
Clara Glennon went missing 15/3/1997 (1+5+3+1+9+9+7=35 and 3+5=8) body found on Pippidinny road which is on map 8.
Saying that its possible the csk had a 1996 street smart directory an alternative theory perhaps and I deleted that post after 30mins and you saw it , are you on this thread that often ? Not getting at you I like some of your posts.Just not nearly as keen.

I haven't had a 1996 street smart directory for about fifteen years or more but what made me remember that was a post I read that was made by a person an hour or two before he was taken for a drive by some officers.In the post the person said - doesn't the new Perth stadium look like an Eagles nest with the twigs intertwined as you drive up towards Welshpool. ( paraphrasing I don't remember the exact quote) I remembered all that because as you drive under the third pedestrian overpass past the new Perth stadium there's a directional sigh that says Welshpool with an arrow pointing up and the number 8(highway 8)Made me remember Ciara Glennon was found on map 8 of the 1996 street smart directory.

 

[Bunnie]

I can just imagine him with his elevator music going, body in the back, where do I dump tonight heading off into the north with no plan of where he may go. Not really. Because he didn't plan his dumping sites, one a no through road with campers from time to time. I think he might of.
Ill just turn left here.

*SIGH* If you follow the conversations on this most of us agree CSK planned his attacks. Just maybe not as obsessively as this. Map book and a bit of been on the road telecom tech knowledge was all he required.

On a seious side note please stop suggesting I am associated in any way shape or form to that murderous scum or i will be lodging a complaint with the site moderators.

 

[Dan Baker]

*SIGH* If you follow the conversations on this most of us agree CSK planned his attacks. Just maybe not as obsessively as this. Map book and a bit of been on the road telecom tech knowledge was all he required.

On a seious side note please stop suggesting I am associated in any way shape or form to that murderous scum or i will be lodging a complaint with the site moderators.

Actually, where did I suggest you were associated? I asked you. Thats all. No where do I suggest you Bunnie are an associate.

Actually the map book is a pain in the butt to line up the bodies over the abduction. The UBD wider grid is too small from what I could see to actually pin point with reasonable accuracy through the hotel.
But yeah, he only needs a rule to run a line through a map of the greater Perth region, something that could have been pulled the Telecom office probably. Its not like Telecom don't have to map there 5 million assets, exchanges, cables. Maps, diagrams and plans would be an everyday thing for many in the day. These days its all digital asset pick up. These guys are looking at maps of service runs all the times when they are putting infrastructure in.

Id be interested to know where the Kerry Turner site was. Doesn't look like we will see that anytime soon.

Bring on the trial.

On Janes site. "This person is organised, the murder controlled and carefully planned" - Minisini [Police profiler]

"The killer would drive a late model car that he keeps spotlessly clean, hold down a job and be of unremarkable appearance" - Minisini [Police profiler]

 

[Moonwatcher]

I think he was a Battlefield soldier

You must contact WAPOL immediately with this lead.

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[Bunnie]

Well, its only in response to someone's reply. And it is for those that haven't been following the case, so they understand. 4 times? Find them.
Obviously the last poster hadnt seen the prior post without an image in discussion of the map one page back.
The only users annoyed are the same couple of users that don't like discussion on premeditated murder by a serial killer. Maybe they don't want premeditated murder brought up at a trial.

One of the reasons someone might be objectionable to premeditated murder discussion, is they are an associate of the criminal not wanting aspects of the crime realised that would severely impact the perps length of crime, and reduce chances of walking from a trial. Mostly premeditated murder.

Any evidence of premeditated murder is not good for the perp.

If this is aimed at me and you continue to insinuate I have any involvement with you then I will be taking this further.

Actually, where did I suggest you were associated? I asked you. Thats all. No where do I suggest you Bunnie are an associate.

On Janes site. "This person is organised, the murder controlled and carefully planned" - Minisini [Police profiler]
"The killer would drive a late model car that he keeps spotlessly clean, hold down a job and be of unremarkable appearance" - Minisini [Police profiler]

You suggested i may be his step daughter, then a follow up post alluded to associated people and premeditated murder at trials.

I don't know why you are trying to contrive the talking down an interest in GPS tracking from, but you have tried to misconstrue GPSS software with what is C and C++ which is merely the code style of the time. While I doubt he knew C, although he may have. He has a clear interest in the GPSS software. GPSS is not a code style.
On top of that, someone didn't need to know C to run the software. But someone with 10 years electronic experience enjoy an interest in the GPSS software on the site.

This is beside the point, but if someone can code C, they can code and compile C++ or C# for that matter, but your point is irrelevant.

"Millions of copies of GPSS were distributed on PC Magazine CD. 10,600 + people in 150 countries contacted me then used GPSS. SatNav was not easily available then, and GPSS did much more. e.g. RDF, AVL, and Chase.
http://www.tsogpss.co.uk.gridhosted.co.uk/

Why are you talking down an interest in the accused being on a GPS website? Are you his step daughter?
Obviously, what you are talking about, is way over your head.

It would be this post....

 

[Dan Baker]

If this is aimed at me and you continue to insinuate I have any involvement with you then I will be taking this further.
You suggested i may be his step daughter, then a follow up post alluded to associated people and premeditated murder at trials.
It would be this post....

One statement was general of a couple of users who tried to shut down discussion on premeditated murder.
The first was a query whether you were his step daughter. None of it was an accusation. Check it out.
Don't misconstrue what it was.

Seems to be a common theme, people coming in and getting the threads shut down. Closing down discussion on premeditated murder. Why would people do that? Outside associates?

Whats other sites seems to have gone relatively quiet, dead even, then the sarcasm, off topic posts turn up here. Who ever it is, wants discussion on premeditated murder shut down, along with the threads.
There is loads of threads shut down, and I ain't even there.

• serial killers usually premeditate their crimes, frequently fantasising and planning with detail, including the specific victim (Ressler, Burgess & Douglas 1988)
• serial killers are likely to use similar event locations (but different physical locations) for their crimes, move the body from one location to another and dispose of the body in remote locations (Kraemer, Lord & Heilbrun 2004).
  
  On Janes discovery site. "This person is organised, the murder controlled and carefully planned" - Minisini [Police profiler]
  
  "The killer would drive a late model car that he keeps spotlessly clean, hold down a job and be of unremarkable appearance" - Minisini [Police profiler]

 

[Bunnie]

Why ask something so riduculous as that? Questions like that, asked in that way are designed to either deflect or attack. Then followed up with "generalised" statements are designed to sow seeds of doubt. So. For the record. I am not associated. Man up, move on and stop trying to wriggle out of what you wrote.

 

[Bunnie]

You must contact WAPOL immediately with this lead.

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Indeed. Most valuable intel.

 

[Dan Baker]

I think he was a Battlefield™ soldier

You must contact WAPOL immediately with this lead.

Indeed. Most valuable intel.

Ring the police!!!!! Quick!!! Tell them there is a smelly bait fisherman on the site. He has a 40 inch Alvey handwinch and hell use it. Hes got a display cabinet full of trophies demonstrating his capacity to catch blowfish on 300lb dacron and a 4lb snapper lead, soon to be featured on The Bell Tower Times.
Some people are just trolls. Its not like there is a gun being held to peoples heads to read this stuff. They obviously have a penchant for quality comments, not!

 

[sprockets]

I've worked it out, finally! According to the pattern in Dan's photo there's only one place Sarah's body can be and that's at the GPO itself!



If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Unless it's a goose.

 

[sprockets]

Hi Sprockets, I admit to at one point considering a theory for a short time (and dismissing it as too far out there) that Ciara was the real intended target and she always was, the end game. That everything leading up to her murder was prepping for her return.

1600 people a year go missing, they're the ones that just vanish and they're not all bumming around on the streets homeless with no income because that isn't exactly staying under the radar either. And they're just the ones reported as missing. The police don't have resources to chase up every one, they prioritise. After Jane was taken, the girls disappearances were prioritised in a blaze of national media pressers. He was playing with the cops taking Ciara, he had to have been to take her and from the Stirling Highway. It was his grand finale ... or last encore. A massive "FU idiots" at Macro. And I think he knew Ciara would be found, he didn't care.

I'm told they use keyboards now but I wonder if Macro saved an old Yellow Pages for the arrest to thwamp him over the head with.

There's nothing wrong with theories, unless they're based on nothing.

 

[Dan Baker]

I've worked it out, finally! According to the pattern in Dan's photo there's only one place Sarah's body can be and that's at the GPO itself!

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If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Unless it's a goose.

You obviously want to keep talking about this because you just keep dragging it back out. But maybe its CSK playing games with police letting them know the crimes are connected. And the great thing is we have a trial very near that will throw up that this is the game he played.

The games CSK has been playing with police is going to become more obvious in the months ahead.

It would probably be a good idea for you to acknowledge that you have altered the image. What I see is the consistency of some people only attacking other people constantly trying to shut pre meditated murder discussion down, and shut the thread down for that matter with little to know content contribution.
Same old low witted sarcasm comes from those that aren't really interested in contributing.

You and the passive aggressive Easter bunny

 

[Dan Baker]

Why someone would want to make a mockery of someone who was looking for a blokes daughter that was strangled unconscious, then viciously raped in a coma without any capacity to help herself and mutilated half alive then bashed for the animals to come pick at.

You're a piece of work you are. A regular hero.

 

[Bunnie]

Move on Dan.

 

[annaBolic608]

Moving right along from the personal attacks, who thinks this matter will end up going to trial or will BRE plead guilty?


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[Bunnie]

Moving right along from the personal attacks, who thinks this matter will end up going to trial or will BRE plead guilty?


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I flip flop on this. Part of me thinks the lack of anything from his camp yells waiting to see. That says it won't be his innocence or guilt that gets the focus, the evidence will be on trial.
So, pleading might look something like this...
1) if the science stands true and the evidence is seen as solid, his plea might be not guilty initially changed to guilty before details are released.
2) If the evidence looks shakey , it will be not guilty and we may get to hear some of the things that haven't been made public.
3) If the police have found something irrefutable in their searches, his plea will be guilty with details kept in police files.

 

[Kurve]

I flip flop on this. Part of me thinks the lack of anything from his camp yells waiting to see. That says it won't be his innocence or guilt that gets the focus, the evidence will be on trial.
So, pleading might look something like this...
1) if the science stands true and the evidence is seen as solid, his plea might be not guilty initially changed to guilty before details are released.
2) If the evidence looks shakey , it will be not guilty and we may get to hear some of the things that haven't been made public.
3) If the police have found something irrefutable in their searches, his plea will be guilty with details kept in police files.

Without a clue of what other evidence they have, or witnesses but I suspect at least one for the prosecution, the science is key. Macro's reportedly used UK forensic scientist Whitaker, who was relied on heavily to secure a conviction against Bradley Murdoch in Peter Falconio's murder and still no body. His reputation far as I can see, looks rock solid.

 

[Kurve]

On Bradley Murdoch and Whitaker, I can't remember exactly why right now and it doesn't seem to make sense since I read the Supreme Court Appeal - DNA cross contamination, but I didn't think he did it.

 

[Bunnie]

On Bradley Murdoch and Whitaker, I can't remember exactly why right now and it doesn't seem to make sense since I read the Supreme Court Appeal - DNA cross contamination, but I didn't think he did it.

The whole Falconio case received some pretty odd press at the time. Accusations of Lees lying and involvement in his death from what I can remember. ... also i *think* some ambivalent press may have also been because of public perception of the validity of the new and improved techniques given the talk about all the flaws of DNA testing in its infancy.

 

[Kurve]

The whole Falconio case received some pretty odd press at the time. Accusations of Lees lying and involvement in his death from what I can remember. ... also i *think* some ambivalent press may have also been because of public perception of the validity of the new and improved techniques given the talk about all the flaws of DNA testing in its infancy.

Agree. That's what was bugging me a bit actually with the press and recalling what they did to Lindy Chamberlain, I never thought Joanne Lees was lying either so was settled enough at the verdict to think the system worked, my vibe didn't

 

[Bunnie]

An article to read while we sit in the virtual waiting room awaiting the trial.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201612/stupid-stuff-stopped-serial-killer

 

[Kurve]

An article to read while we sit in the virtual waiting room awaiting the trial.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201612/stupid-stuff-stopped-serial-killer

For such an awful subject, this was hilarious thanks Bunnie.

Recall this old pearl "good crooks don't get caught."

 

[Bunnie]

For such an awful subject, this was hilarious thanks Bunnie.

Recall this old pearl "good crooks don't get caught."

The guy with the body in the front seat picked up for suspected drunk driving....how many times had he transported his victims this way in plain sight!

 

[Kurve]

I'll just leave this here. There was little challenge to (Whitaker's) LCN (low copy number) DNA used for legal purposes until 2007 when it was suspended in the UK after the Omagh bombing brought into question it's weaknesses/flaws. If anybody can wade through this it's so technical and kind of boring, you'll understand why but around page 40 is relevant I think to both the Murdoch and in turn possibly the CSK case. Or skip it all to the conclusions.

Ie. It's not perfect.

http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1138&context=theses

 

[Bunnie]

I'll just leave this here. There was little challenge to (Whitaker's) LCN (low copy number) DNA used for legal purposes until 2007 when it was suspended in the UK after the Omagh bombing brought into question it's weaknesses/flaws. If anybody can wade through this it's so technical and kind of boring, you'll understand why but around page 40 is relevant I think to both the Murdoch and in turn possibly the CSK case. Or skip it all to the conclusions.

Ie. It's not perfect.

http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1138&context=theses

I might hand this over to my resident DNA specialist. She was telling me about the latest techniques and it wasn't this. ..it was low template STR genotyping. Once i figure out and translate what she is telling me I'll pass on that info.