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Now i could come out and say something outlandish like 'Dean Bailey will be the best coach this club has seen since Norm Smith', but i'm not going to. What i will say is that i think we have on our hands a seriously good coach who has the ability to be a great one. I firmly believe this man can take us all the way.

But why the hell should i think this, you ask?

Well there is no logical reason behind this belief - infact, our dismal 2008 season would suggest the complete opposite. We started our season with two massive floggings and ended it rather poetically with another flogging - by ninthmond of all teams (who may be starting to get their shit together btw, but demoralising all the same).
At times, Bailey's 'game plan' left us all questioning his ability and even had some of us calling for his head. "Whats with all the handballing to stationary targets?" "Why is there no one to kick to in our forward 50?" "Why do you keep droning on about being competitive when its obviously not getting through to the playing group!?"
It would be fair to say alot of us expected better from the dees in '08.

Yet, despite such a shocking year and with the very real possibility of another down year in '09 floating over our heads, why is it that all i keep hearing from dees supporters is 'I have faith in Dean Bailey'? Is it cause to believe anything else is too depressing? How is Dean Bailey any better than Brett Ratten or Mattew Knights or even Mark Harvey?

Its impossible to compare any of the new coaches after one year. All our off-field and on-field dramas would be enough to drive any first year coach up the wall, but not Bails - he has taken it all in his stride and has carried himself like a true professional. Dean's journey with this Melbourne club will not be an easy one neither will it be short, but i have a feeling it will be a greatly rewarding one.
I see in Dean a man with a steely determination. The quiet achiever who will stick to his guns even in the face of adversity - not dissimilar to Al Clarkson in his early years at the Hawks. Bailey commands the respect of his playing group and you can tell his players enjoy playing under him. Take a look at him putting his arm around little Aussie Wonnamirri during the rising star nomination press conference, or his relaxed joking manner with Jack Grimes before the final game against the tiges. Dean is a self described 'teacher' of the game and this will only benefit our young blokes as they grow into men.

Dean is nurturing a team of young players who will share the same determination and resolve that he has and who will play for each other and as a team. 2008 has shown glimpses of this team's potential - Cale Morton's dash and expertise through the centre, Colin Garland's solidarity down back, Dunny's ruthless tagging jobs, Miller's newfound belief in himself and Brock McClean making his case for the captaincy in '09.

Sure this year has had its fair share of hiccups - It is to be expected when fielding such a young side. But i could not be more confident in saying that we have the right man leading this group of kids into the future. A future that hopefully will be a great one for the dees. I can say that i also have faith in Dean Bailey.


"But if you only ever follow, you never catch them, so you've got to be looking for that next number in the game … so I might hold that one to myself."

- Dean Bailey
 
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Now i could come out and say something outlandish like 'Dean Bailey will be the best coach this club has seen since Norm Smith', but i'm not going to. What i will say is that i think we have on our hands a seriously good coach who has the ability to be a great one. I firmly believe this man can take us all the way.

But why the hell should i think this, you ask?

Well there is no logical reason behind this belief - infact, our dismal 2008 season would suggest the complete opposite. We started our season with two massive floggings and ended it rather poetically with another flogging - by ninthmond of all teams (who may be starting to get their shit together btw, but demoralising all the same).
At times, Bailey's 'game plan' left us all questioning his ability and even had some of us calling for his head. "Whats with all the handballing to stationary targets?" "Why is there no one to kick to in our forward 50?" "Why do you keep droning on about being competitive when its obviously not getting through to the playing group!?"
It would be fair to say alot of us expected better from the dees in '08.

Yet, despite such a shocking year and with the very real possibility of another down year in '09 floating over our heads, why is it that all i keep hearing from dees supporters is 'I have faith in Dean Bailey'? Is it cause to believe anything else is too depressing? How is Dean Bailey any better than Brett Ratten or Mattew Knights or even Mark Harvey?

Its impossible to compare any of the new coaches after one year. All our off-field and on-field dramas would be enough to drive any first year coach up the wall, but not Bails - he has taken it all in his stride and has carried himself like a true professional. Dean's journey with this Melbourne club will not be an easy one neither will it be short, but i have a feeling it will be a greatly rewarding one.
I see in Dean a man with a steely determination. The quiet achiever who will stick to his guns even in the face of adversity - not dissimilar to Al Clarkson in his early years at the Hawks. Bailey commands the respect of his playing group and you can tell his players enjoy playing under him. Take a look at him putting his arm around little Aussie Wonnamirri during the rising star nomination press conference, or his relaxed joking manner with Jack Grimes before the final game against the tiges. Dean is a self described 'teacher' of the game and this will only benefit our young blokes as they grow into men.

Dean is nurturing a team of young players who will share the same determination and resolve that he has and who will play for each other and as a team. 2008 has shown glimpses of this team's potential - Cale Morton's dash and expertise through the centre, Colin Garland's solidarity down back, Dunny's ruthless tagging jobs, Miller's newfound belief in himself and Brock McClean making his case for the captaincy in '09.

Sure this year has had its fair share of hiccups - It is to be expected when fielding such a young side. But i could not be more confident in saying that we have the right man leading this group of kids into the future. A future that hopefully will be a great one for the dees. I can say that i also have faith in Dean Bailey.


"But if you only ever follow, you never catch them, so you've got to be looking for that next number in the game … so I might hold that one to myself."

- Dean Bailey

agree, there have been times this year, namely the first half against Freo and the Richmand game when l thought he was not going to be any good but he needs time and l think he might be okay:(, see how he goes next year
 
good post mate.

i want to ask a legit question, not trying to troll

are there any examples of successful coaches who have started their career off badly??

then again if there are no examples, it may just be that these coaches never really got the chance to turn it around.
 
I to was going to start a thread on Bailey and rate his performance. I believe he did a pretty good job this year considering a few things, the state and age of the list, the debt the club had, a new President and Board.

People criticise his game plan but i am sure what he plans and what the players actually do are not the same thing. We saw glimpses against Freo 2nd half and Brisbane when the game plan clicks it works and you're going to get up and down perfomrances from a young, inexperenced and low confident team.

I was wrapt to hear bailey at times this, despite the young and inexperenced side he did not accpet the losses or poor performances and on several occasions gave the playing group a spray.

Hopefully we draft well this year and next year show some improvement, out of the bottom four or winning 8 games would be a step in the right direction imo (but being very optimistic).

Overall i would give bailey a C+ for this years efforts.
 

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I would'nt worry about how DB coached this year,2008 was all about introducing a new game plan plus giving ground time to our younger players!A true assessment of his coaching abilities should be made after his initial three year contract expires!
 
good post mate.

i want to ask a legit question, not trying to troll

are there any examples of successful coaches who have started their career off badly??

then again if there are no examples, it may just be that these coaches never really got the chance to turn it around.

Didn't Sheedy lose the first 4 games in his first season?
 
are there any examples of successful coaches who have started their career off badly??

then again if there are no examples, it may just be that these coaches never really got the chance to turn it around.

Prime example (all optimistic views of Melbourne seem to be looking in this direction) is Alistair Clarkson. Hawks finished 14th in his first year in 2005, winning only 5 games.
 
I'm glad that Dean's mum has learned how to use the interweb.
 
Love the bloke... and happy he hasn't changed his game plan all year...
Keep it up and I'm sure we are going to see a huge improvment next year and hopefully finals by 2010..
 
Dean Bailey is probably the best coach you guys have had since John Northey and that's saying something. The only thing is that you have to start by standing well and truely right behind him. :thumbsu:
 
As optimistic as we all sound, its still very early to be touting Bailey as the best coach since Northey/Smith (Not aimed at you stabler ;)). In a way I almost feel its a bit disrespectful to Neale Daniher and the conribution he made to the club. Got us to a Grand Final, we made the 8 more times than any other club besides Essendon in his tenure, and I'd struggle to name many other people who could have acheived more out of his team than he did.

Now I'm all aboard the Bailey Express, I'm satisfied with the decision to appoint him coach and I have belief that he has the potential to deliver us a flag, but before we jump too far ahead of ourselves, lets not hail him the Don before he has even scored a run.
 
Expect big things from this bloke. Very excited about him as a coach, and positive we made the right choice even after this horrible season...

It's easy to see how we did so bad this year.

We lost massive amounts of experience last off-season-

Travis Johnstone, Nathan Brown, Simon Godfrey, Daniel Ward, Clint Bizzell, Byron Pickett and Ryan Ferguson.

All those 7 people were arguably in our best 22 last year, and we replaced them with 18 year olds. His faith in the young kids and building a side from scratch really has me excited.

Then you look at whose gone this year....

White, Yze, Neitz, Holland and Carroll.

While they may have been struggling towards the end of their careers they provided leadership on the feild and it will again be a massive blow. I don't expect much improvement (ladderwise) next year but i predict our young guys will lead us to a few victories.

Exciting times ahead for the MFC.
 

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As optimistic as we all sound, its still very early to be touting Bailey as the best coach since Northey/Smith (Not aimed at you stabler ;)). In a way I almost feel its a bit disrespectful to Neale Daniher and the conribution he made to the club. Got us to a Grand Final, we made the 8 more times than any other club besides Essendon in his tenure, and I'd struggle to name many other people who could have acheived more out of his team than he did.

Now I'm all aboard the Bailey Express, I'm satisfied with the decision to appoint him coach and I have belief that he has the potential to deliver us a flag, but before we jump too far ahead of ourselves, lets not hail him the Don before he has even scored a run.
The only problem with what you have said is that you like every other supporter who would normally go and watch Bails coach Melbourne, are already writing him off. Or have made comments similar to what you have and haven't bothered to show up to games.
 
The only problem with what you have said is that you like every other supporter who would normally go and watch Bails coach Melbourne, are already writing him off. Or have made comments similar to what you have and haven't bothered to show up to games.

How is that writing him off? He said he's happy with the decision to appoint Bailey but it's too early to be calling him the coach that could take us a Premiership and it is.
 
The only problem with what you have said is that you like every other supporter who would normally go and watch Bails coach Melbourne, are already writing him off. Or have made comments similar to what you have and haven't bothered to show up to games.

Take the bat and ball home suzi.
 
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Now i could come out and say something outlandish like 'Dean Bailey will be the best coach this club has seen since Norm Smith', but i'm not going to. What i will say is that i think we have on our hands a seriously good coach who has the ability to be a great one. I firmly believe this man can take us all the way.

But why the hell should i think this, you ask?

Well there is no logical reason behind this belief - infact, our dismal 2008 season would suggest the complete opposite. We started our season with two massive floggings and ended it rather poetically with another flogging - by ninthmond of all teams (who may be starting to get their shit together btw, but demoralising all the same).
At times, Bailey's 'game plan' left us all questioning his ability and even had some of us calling for his head. "Whats with all the handballing to stationary targets?" "Why is there no one to kick to in our forward 50?" "Why do you keep droning on about being competitive when its obviously not getting through to the playing group!?"
It would be fair to say alot of us expected better from the dees in '08.

Yet, despite such a shocking year and with the very real possibility of another down year in '09 floating over our heads, why is it that all i keep hearing from dees supporters is 'I have faith in Dean Bailey'? Is it cause to believe anything else is too depressing? How is Dean Bailey any better than Brett Ratten or Mattew Knights or even Mark Harvey?

Its impossible to compare any of the new coaches after one year. All our off-field and on-field dramas would be enough to drive any first year coach up the wall, but not Bails - he has taken it all in his stride and has carried himself like a true professional. Dean's journey with this Melbourne club will not be an easy one neither will it be short, but i have a feeling it will be a greatly rewarding one.
I see in Dean a man with a steely determination. The quiet achiever who will stick to his guns even in the face of adversity - not dissimilar to Al Clarkson in his early years at the Hawks. Bailey commands the respect of his playing group and you can tell his players enjoy playing under him. Take a look at him putting his arm around little Aussie Wonnamirri during the rising star nomination press conference, or his relaxed joking manner with Jack Grimes before the final game against the tiges. Dean is a self described 'teacher' of the game and this will only benefit our young blokes as they grow into men.

Dean is nurturing a team of young players who will share the same determination and resolve that he has and who will play for each other and as a team. 2008 has shown glimpses of this team's potential - Cale Morton's dash and expertise through the centre, Colin Garland's solidarity down back, Dunny's ruthless tagging jobs, Miller's newfound belief in himself and Brock McClean making his case for the captaincy in '09.

Sure this year has had its fair share of hiccups - It is to be expected when fielding such a young side. But i could not be more confident in saying that we have the right man leading this group of kids into the future. A future that hopefully will be a great one for the dees. I can say that i also have faith in Dean Bailey.


"But if you only ever follow, you never catch them, so you've got to be looking for that next number in the game … so I might hold that one to myself."

- Dean Bailey
Good post. I've got a feeling about him as well. But he needs to stick to his guns and make the hard calls like Clarkson did in 04.
 
I was impressed by how thorough the selection process that Gardner and co. put in place, I think they deserve alot of credit here. And yes it's early to say but I think they've made a good choice. Bails comes across alot like Neil Craig or Paul Roos. Can't wait to see what he can do with the right cattle.
 
Good post, stabler. I guess we have no choice other than to put our faith in Bails, but I like what I've seen so far. I particularly like your point about him being a teacher. With such a young list, it's important that the coach is going to teach these blokes and be patient with them. I really like where we're headed.
 

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Bailey's biggest downfall is his lack of match day moves. In fact I can't think of a game where he came up with a move like Clarkson did with Dew in the GF. Like our younger players, Bails is on a steep learning curve in teh AFL . I wish him all the best of luck for 2009 and beyond. By the way, how good were the Hawks? They selected 3 blokes with broken bones in their legs and they still got up!
 
Bailey's biggest downfall is his lack of match day moves. In fact I can't think of a game where he came up with a move like Clarkson did with Dew in the GF.
Clarkson's admitted that he had no idea what Dew was doing down there. He had nothing to do with it, FWIW.
 
Bailey's biggest downfall is his lack of match day moves. In fact I can't think of a game where he came up with a move like Clarkson did with Dew in the GF. Like our younger players, Bails is on a steep learning curve in teh AFL . I wish him all the best of luck for 2009 and beyond. By the way, how good were the Hawks? They selected 3 blokes with broken bones in their legs and they still got up!

Perhaps his match day moves aren't necessary at this point. As it's been said he's a teacher and playing lots of kids, so it's better to get them settled into positions rather than moving them all over the place. He should be given credit with putting C.Garland in the backline despite him being a forward.
 

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