Thoughts on our drafting...

[Lenny*]

If I was either Terry Wallace or Clarkson I would be happy as larry with their picks. Both teams got two of the best players in a certain postion. I wouldnt be over worried about two KPP or two midfielders because all four look like great players.

It may well end up being a smart choice for the tigers though. Just by looks of the start of the season Tiges could win over 5 games and may not have a chance of getting two more early picks. So with our pick in this years draft, we will probably look at a stand-out KPP.

So in this case I would rather have two quality young midfielders getting the ball down to one great KPP(two including Richo), then have one quality midfielder getting the ball down two two quality KPP.

I dont think that we really needed to draft a young KPP in last years draft due to Richo still being in his prime, and us likely having another early pick this year.

What do people think?

 

[nut]

If I was either Terry Wallace or Clarkson I would be happy as larry with their picks. Both teams got two of the best players in a certain postion. I wouldnt be over worried about two KPP or two midfielders because all four look like great players.

It may well end up being a smart choice for the tigers though. Just by looks of the start of the season Tiges could win over 5 games and may not have a chance of getting two more early picks. So with our pick in this years draft, we will probably look at a stand-out KPP.

So in this case I would rather have two quality young midfielders getting the ball down to one great KPP(two including Richo), then have one quality midfielder getting the ball down two two quality KPP.

I dont think that we really needed to draft a young KPP in last years draft due to Richo still being in his prime, and us likely having another early pick this year.

What do people think?

I for one think Deliedio will became a KPP (he'll gro to about 192cm)and will be the stand out in the Draft.
Tambling second best small behind griffen Very happy with that choice.

Ruoghead and Franklin will be very good for the Hawks.

The Decision By the Tigers to draft small early and tall late and the Hawks to do the opposite will be debated for the next few years.
We will need to draft tall next year for sure, so the Hawks KPP will be a year ahead of ours, and seing that KPP take longer to develope this might have been a god move by the hawks for the future.

I honestly believe the Tigers would have chosen the same if the picks were swapped.

 

[Bentleigh]

Deledio was the standout out player and would have been taken at 1 by any club which had that pick.

Roughead or Franklin would have been great but Plough saw Tambling as the next best player in the draft and too good to pass up. The best avabile talent which had to be taken at 4.

This leaves up with 2 very good midfeilders for the next 15 years but a problem KPP wise. However, to have Lids and Bling at the club its a problem Wallace and supporters should be happy to take on.

If Plough doesnt go for KPP next draft ill be worried.

I for one think Deliedio will became a KPP (he'll gro to about 192cm)and will be the stand out in the Draft.
Tambling second best small behind griffen Very happy with that choice.
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Lids is already 6'2 and can play KPP. He played as a tall forward whilst being rested last year, and kicked bags.

If he does grow another a few more cm's (he is still only 17, you wouldnt expect him to stay at his current hight) I still expect him to be a midfielder, a ruckrover in the old langauge. A Kouta type.

 

[Thrice3]

I think we should give up on drafting midfielders at the years end, we have so many young players on our list that haven't even been tired yet, its hard to say what we need exactly as we might already have it in an Archibald or McGuane. I think we should try for one more top quality midfielder and a high pick on a KPP, use the rest of picks on young ruckmen and defenders, perhaps a forward.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Win - Win for Both Clubs

Unlike what some others here seem to think our midfield needed a major boost in talent, it was clearly our main objective.

Hawthorn needed KPP it was clearly their objective.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

we do have a few kp prospects in archibald, mcguane, moore, limbach and thursfield. odds are one or two of them at least will come good. with one early kp in this draft and hopefully a few other later picks on these type of players and we wont have too much to worry about.

 

[madtiger2005]

hopefully our young talls are good enough to play for the next 5-10 years

 

[Lenny*]

we do have a few kp prospects in archibald, mcguane, moore, limbach and thursfield. odds are one or two of them at least will come good. with one early kp in this draft and hopefully a few other later picks on these type of players and we wont have too much to worry about.

& Pattison?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Mcguane IMO will be the surprise packet.Im not saying he will be as good as Franklin or Roughead at this stage but by years end TW will have a clearer picture on who many Kpp,s we get.
Ideal situation would be our 1st pick a KPP and our 2nd another Midfeilder or a Ruckman.

 

[IDGAF]

Lids is already 6'2 and can play KPP. He played as a tall forward whilst being rested last year, and kicked bags.

If he does grow another a few more cm's (he is still only 17, you wouldnt expect him to stay at his current hight) I still expect him to be a midfielder, a ruckrover in the old langauge. A Kouta type.

Amen to that

 

[telsor]

It looks like we're drafting the best available and trading or using the PSD for the gaps ( Simmonds, Knobel ), which mightn't work so well when we're not so early in the picks.

We need to draft a balance, and I am concerned that we're getting a little short on high quality KPP options, so I'm hoping that at least one, preferably 2 young KPPs get taken with high picks this year.

Best available is a flawed concept..It must be best available *for our needs* or we'll end up like the bullies, short of a type of player. Since Shultz, we've only really drafted speculative talls, and with about 6 of those picks, we'll be lucky if 1 turns out to be a genuine 100+ game player, and another proves serviceable.

 

[richcogs]

Pick 20 Dean Polo- I'm quite happy with this pick, All Australian and Gippslands Powers best and fairest and featured in the T.A.C Cup Team of the Year. First game of the season for Coburg Reserves BOG. 187 in height- good size for a midfielder and will just improve.

Has anyone actually seen him play, what your thoughts on him? Do you think he was worthy of pick 20?

 

[Bentleigh]

& Pattison?

Pattison does look like he will be a 'class' tall forward or back. Whlist he is very mobile he is isnt very althletic nor have outstanding skills.

However, he is a good size and has all the attributes to be a good ruckman, in pinch hitting KPP. Rather than a tap ruckman he looks a mobile ruckman which will get touches around the ground. Pretty happy we picked him up but with Cameron Wood around at 16 itll be intersting if we choose right.

However Wallce isnt a fan of the Sandlerlands type ruckman so Pattison was always likly to come to the club.

Pick 20 Dean Polo- I'm quite happy with this pick, All Australian and Gippslands Powers best and fairest and featured in the T.A.C Cup Team of the Year. First game of the season for Coburg Reserves BOG. 187 in height- good size for a midfielder and will just improve.

Has anyone actually seen him play, what your thoughts on him? Do you think he was worthy of pick 20?

Both Polo and Pattison are not top 20 quailty in terms of sheer talent. Both seem to be average skills wise.

It seems though they are both goers and never give less than 100%. The honours between them backs up this point:

Pattison
Winner of TAC Cup Coaches Award 2004
Centre Half Forward in TAC Cup Team of the Year 2004
Northern Best and Fairest 2004

Polo
Victoria Country 2004
All Australian 2004
Wing in TAC Cup Team of the Year 2004
Gippsland Best and Fairest Winner 2004

I hope Polo will be a inside midfeilder/tagger type. A sort of upgrade of Tim Fleming.

 

[telsor]

Polo? Only going on what I've read, but he seems a good hard midfield prospect...might end up a tagger, in which case we probably paid over the odds for him, or could be a decent inside midfielder, in which case we can be quite happy. 20 probably wasn't a bad price for him, although I would have prefered another tall.

 

[Bentleigh]

It looks like we're drafting the best available and trading or using the PSD for the gaps ( Simmonds, Knobel ), which mightn't work so well when we're not so early in the picks.

We need to draft a balance, and I am concerned that we're getting a little short on high quality KPP options, so I'm hoping that at least one, preferably 2 young KPPs get taken with high picks this year..

Simmonds was needed. A direct replacment for Ottens. Fiora & Ottens for Simmonds, Meyer and Pattison. Id take that.

As much as I dont rate Knobel we need him to fill the game Stafford is going to leave untill Pattison and our future draft ruckman mature. Knobel does allow Simmonds/Stafford to rest or give us another option up forward.

Once again, another tall at 12, or would have been good but fingers crossed about Meyer and Polo. We did get Pattison 198cm, Limbach 192cm, McGuane 191cm, Thursfield 190cm and have a few KPP already on the list. However id still like us to go hard for KPP early next draft.

Best available is a flawed concept..It must be best available *for our needs* or we'll end up like the bullies, short of a type of player. Since Shultz, we've only really drafted speculative talls, and with about 6 of those picks, we'll be lucky if 1 turns out to be a genuine 100+ game player, and another proves serviceable.

Disagree.

Look at Pavlich. We passed him up for Fiora, who we regarded as the best avabile talent at the time. The Doggies overlooked some very good midfeidlers to 'fill the gaps' with Walsh.

My view on in is in your major years of rebuilding (2004 for us) which your best picks you choose the best talent. Dogs did the same with Cooney and Ray. Now we have Tambling and Deledio id expect us to look for kpp, or at least i hope.

I agree however we over the years we needed more KPP. I hope from now on we look at tall options.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Polo wont make it.Waste of a pick

 

[Lenny*]

Polo wont make it.Waste of a pick

How the hell have you come to this conclusion?

 

[jezza]

Both Polo and Pattison are not top 20 quailty in terms of sheer talent. Both seem to be average skills wise.

This is what worries me though. For too long we have been a poorly skilled side, carrying too many blokes with poor kicking technique who haven't really improved over the years. Watching a side like Melbourne play last Friday, I don't think I could spot anyone out there who didn't kick well and generally hit targets, similarly with all the top teams. This is where we need to get to.

There's a lot of argument about whether or not players' skills can be dramatically improved once they get into the afl system. Some players obviously improve but a lot of others don't. I'm not sure as a team we can afford to take the risk that players we draft will be able to improve enough under someone like Royal. IMO we need to be drafting highly skilled players (Deledio, Tambling, Meyer), maybe they might not have some of the other qualities that other players have like Polo and Pattison, but at least we know they can kick properly and hit targets. With draft picks like 16 and 20, we should be able to get players with high enough skills as well as the other important qualities, not forsake one for the other.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

How the hell have you come to this conclusion?

By watching him at training and last saturday for Coburg.Simply hasnt got the stanima to play at the top level.

 

[Bentleigh]

By watching him at training and last saturday for Coburg.Simply hasnt got the stanima to play at the top level.

He can inprove stamina.

How does his BOG in his first game for the Coburgs 2's, as an 18 year old none the less rate in your wrap up?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

He can inprove stamina.

He,d want to.

How does his BOG in his first game for the Coburgs 2's, as an 18 year old none the less rate in your wrap up?

Like i said at the TOP level.

 

[Bentleigh]

He,d want to.

Another couple more pre-seasons and years at Coburg and im sure he will.

Like i said at the TOP level.

How can you have any idea how good he is goign to be at TOP level purly based on stamina?

Ive heard he is a rather effective midfeilder. Tough, works hard, puts his head over the pill and is a fair mark. Has alot of inprovment left in him and decent pace.

20 touches a game in 2003, 25 at juniors last year and BOG in his first game with the Coburg2 's. Yet you are sure he will not make it...

He is fair from a certainty and maybe not the best option @ 20 but you have to back the kid and not write him off early into his first year.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Reasonably happy with reservations , those being what we do at the end of the year in regard to drafting some genuine KPP Talent...

I wouldn't be as harsh as TOO on polo but he does look very very ordinary so far..He would want to pull his finger out and show some improvement in the near future..

Btw what would people see as a pass mark for our first 5 picks? 3 of them making it or would 4 be the minimum???

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Another couple more pre-seasons and years at Coburg and im sure he will.

another couple of pre-seasons?His type are a dime a dozen he,d want to start pulling his finger out before season,s end.i can tell you that much

How can you have any idea how good he is goign to be at TOP level purly based on stamina?

If you cant runout a training session on regular occasions and then in match conditions how do you expect him to perform at the Top?
From what i have seen of him he has no other tricks to his bow to even have TW consider him for senior selection.Krak is a perfect example.Krak suffers from the same but has other strengths to his game that counteracts his lack of stamina.If Polo has something then he better start showing it.

20 touches a game in 2003, 25 at juniors last year and BOG in his first game with the Coburg2 's.

Those stats mean jack ********

 

[Infamy]

Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about
Dean Polo was 6th in the agility run, 3rd in the shuttle run and 7th in the 3km time trial
He was recruited because of his motor, he can run all day