Tigers Will Chase Warnock

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Yes I was expecting that response. Allow me to retort.

We now have the proper list and recruitment systems in place to identify the best talent available at this draft. A top 10 pick should now be much more likely to make the grade. In the past it may have been a better bet, but now I don't think it is.

This draft's top 10 looks pretty damn exciting. One of Hartlett/Ziebell/Hurley/Vickery will be available at our pick.

Trading a player and our 2nd rounder would allow us to stay in the first round, pick up the ruckman we need and offload someone that won't hurt. ala King/White/JON.

I just get the feeling the Dockers are going to try and get the best deal they can for Warnock and unfortunately for us I don't think pick 26 & player X beats the Dees pick 17/19. Pick 8 does however and it is going to be a huge call for Cameron, Jackson and Wallace to make. Take a chance and trade for Warnock or keep the pick and hope the kid we get ends up better.

Time to earn you money boys.

 

[beaver fever]

Don't forget this all rests on our ability to appeal more to Warnock than Melbourne. If he says trade me to Melbourne, that's where he is going.

 

[CoggaRules]

Jackson seemed to do a good job in 2007 and 2008 for us when employed full time.

time will tell dude. To early to suggest anything more than we might be better off now. Well we are, we had a muppet in the seat before so anything above a big fat zero is better.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Don't forget this all rests on our ability to appeal more to Warnock than Melbourne. If he says trade me to Melbourne, that's where he is going

If he is that silly we don't want him anyway

 

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Don't forget this all rests on our ability to appeal more to Warnock than Melbourne. If he says trade me to Melbourne, that's where he is going.

Lets see go to the reigning Wooden spooners or go a team that will finish just outside the 8. If it was me I know where I would be heading.

 

[CoggaRules]

I just get the feeling the Dockers are going to try and get the best deal they can for Warnock and unfortunately for us I don't think pick 26 & player X beats the Dees pick 17/19. Pick 8 does however and it is going to be a huge call for Cameron, Jackson and Wallace to make. Take a chance and trade for Warnock or keep the pick and hope the kid we get ends up better.

Time to earn you money boys.

i dont think with the quality of the draft, that they will go near round 1 pick RT.

Bolt out of the "blue". If we do fall short of Warnock, wouldnt mind and i can hear the ferals rumbling, ready??? ...dont think Cain Ackland is all to shabby if we dont have to do anything but point to him and give nothing away. He aint that bad as a second stringer to fill a hole for us, while we ready our kids.

 

[beaver fever]

Lets see go to the reigning Wooden spooners or go a team that will finish just outside the 8. If it was me I know where I would be heading.

Go play with your brother in a rejuvenation at the Melbourne Football Club and join their exciting youngsters or play at a club that is a perennial loser and only a few injuries off the bottom 4 in 2008.

 

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i dont think with the quality of the draft, that they will go near round 1 pick RT.

Bolt out of the "blue". If we do fall short of Warnock, wouldnt mind and i can hear the ferals rumbling, ready??? ...dont think Cain Ackland is all to shabby if we dont have to do anything but point to him and give nothing away. He aint that bad as a second stringer to fill a hole for us, while we ready our kids.

Sorry Cogga but if Cam Cloke is getting games ahead of him then I'd rather we try and get Knobel back.

 

[Wally Matera]

I have 2 options for consideration:

Option 1:
Would Freo take JON(taken pick 8 3 years back) and our second round pick for Warnock?
or
Option 2:
Offer our pick 8 for Warnock and the Dockers second round pick. We would then get the ruckman we seemingly need and still maintain 2 picks inside the first 30 of the draft.

Now I know both these are likely to draw criticism from some on here, but just because we don't rate players highly doesn't mean the clubs share our view.

Personally I would be happy if we were able to get option 2 over the line. As I said we get Warnock (who we are apparently desperate for) and with picks @22 & 26 would still be able to add a couple of fairly talented kids to the list.

Option 2 is just plain stupid. Pick 8 is going no where! In the last uncompromised draft, we would be ****ing stupid to let that go for anything but a PROVEN GUN. Not ****ing Warnock!

 

[Wally Matera]

I just get the feeling the Dockers are going to try and get the best deal they can for Warnock and unfortunately for us I don't think pick 26 & player X beats the Dees pick 17/19. Pick 8 does however and it is going to be a huge call for Cameron, Jackson and Wallace to make. Take a chance and trade for Warnock or keep the pick and hope the kid we get ends up better.

Time to earn you money boys.

ITS MILLER TIME!!!

whoops... sorry, he's gone.

 

[TimeFor11]

If we offer up our first pick for this Lank I will personally be filthy, for one he is no where near worth this much. Lets put this into perspective and be a tad reasonable. Brad Ottens a top 5 ruckman in the competition was traded for pick 12 and 16 as we know.

Now we want to give our first pick and our highest pick for some years to come in a seemingly strong draft for a top 30 ruckman who hasnt shown anything more than a dirty amount of height and that he has an inability to put weight on.

I do want to see him in the Richmond jumper but not for a ridiculous cost if he wants to come he is coming for at the highest our 2nd round pick/3rd round with a fringe ala King/Polo hopefully King. Nor should he demand 300k as he is not worth a cent more than 120k on what he has produced so far we should give him a 3 year contract at 225k max.

We have seen this year Wood hasn't done the job for Collingwood and they are quite similar types in all honesty. Also Warnock has been playing second fiddle to one of the better ruckman in the comp so I think he gets an easy run and i'd like to know how he would be faring in Pattos' role.

 

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Option 2 is just plain stupid. Pick 8 is going no where! In the last uncompromised draft, we would be ****ing stupid to let that go for anything but a PROVEN GUN. Not ****ing Warnock!

As I said in that post, it might draw criticism but it is something I fear could happen if they really think Warnock would solve our ruck problems.

At the end of the day we might not like it, but if Warnock turned out to be a very good 10 year ruckman for the club and was part of a successful side would we really care?

Thats the risk the club might need to take if they want to take the next step. As I said to Beaver, time for those on the big money to earn their pay. They either continue down the safe path or they take a gamble spend pick 8 on getting 21 year old 206cm ruckman who might end up being the answer to one of our problems. Either way it is going to be a big call.

 

[TimeFor11]

As I said in that post, it might draw criticism but it is something I fear could happen if they really think Warnock would solve our ruck problems.

At the end of the day we might not like it, but if Warnock turned out to be a very good 10 year ruckman for the club and was part of a successful side would we really care?

Thats the risk the club might need to take if they want to take the next step. As I said to Beaver, time for those on the big money to earn their pay. They either continue down the safe path or they take a gamble spend pick 8 on getting 21 year old 206cm ruckman who might end up being the answer to one of our problems. Either way it is going to be a big call.

Pick 8 or whatever it is cannot be an option!!!. If we somehow win the GF I may consider giving up pick 16. If any club gives up that much I think they are stupid even if he turns out a 10 year ruckman as the risk is too high with someone who has proven very little.

 

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Pick 8 or whatever it is cannot be an option!!!. If we somehow win the GF I may consider giving up pick 16. If any club gives up that much I think they are stupid even if he turns out a 10 year ruckman as the risk is too high with someone who has proven very little.

How is it a bigger risk than picking up an 17-18 year old kid who has never played at AFL level?

Like I've said a few times this is where we find out if all that money we've poured into our recruiting dept over the last 18 months was really worth it.

 

[Wally Matera]

As I said in that post, it might draw criticism but it is something I fear could happen if they really think Warnock would solve our ruck problems.

At the end of the day we might not like it, but if Warnock turned out to be a very good 10 year ruckman for the club and was part of a successful side would we really care?

Thats the risk the club might need to take if they want to take the next step. As I said to Beaver, time for those on the big money to earn their pay. They either continue down the safe path or they take a gamble spend pick 8 on getting 21 year old 206cm ruckman who might end up being the answer to one of our problems. Either way it is going to be a big call.

I understand what you are saying, but my guess is that unless we can get Warnock anything but our first round draft pick, we may just cut our losses on not having a full strength ruckman this year and go in with possibly Simmonds, Patto, Gus/Putt and maybe - just maybe - Jeff White for one season.

Before everyone cues the sledging at me, we are likely to make the 8 next year, without having a huge impact on finals. So therefore, we may have pick 18 (first 5 going to GC, + 1 priority draft pick, plus a 5th-6th finish for the year). We may use that pick to invest in trading for a ruckman as we head into our "window of opportunity".

Jeff White for one year on minimal wages may just be a sound investment as we continue to use say pick 8 and 26 on bolstering our midfield options. There are ruckman up for trade every year, who says a better prospect might be available next year when we really are desperate for one.

Just a thought.

 

[patto_man]

How is it a bigger risk than picking up an 17-18 year old kid who has never played at AFL level?

Like I've said a few times this is where we find out if all that money we've poured into our recruiting dept over the last 18 months was really worth it.

id prefer graham. hope he cracks the 22 next year and we rest simmo up in the 50

 

[Wally07]

Warnock reminds me of Jason Laycock who is a dud. Forget him since he will create more problems than he will solve.

 

[rocklovelive]

Was interested in him a while back when he wasn't demanding a first round pick.
He hasn't proven anything and I'd much rather invest that same pick in a young ruckman and take the gamble.

Also no thanks to Jeff White.

 

[Crumden]

I understand what you are saying, but my guess is that unless we can get Warnock anything but our first round draft pick, we may just cut our losses on not having a full strength ruckman this year and go in with possibly Simmonds, Patto, Gus/Putt and maybe - just maybe - Jeff White for one season.

Before everyone cues the sledging at me, we are likely to make the 8 next year, without having a huge impact on finals. So therefore, we may have pick 18 (first 5 going to GC, + 1 priority draft pick, plus a 5th-6th finish for the year). We may use that pick to invest in trading for a ruckman as we head into our "window of opportunity".

Jeff White for one year on minimal wages may just be a sound investment as we continue to use say pick 8 and 26 on bolstering our midfield options. There are ruckman up for trade every year, who says a better prospect might be available next year when we really are desperate for one.

Just a thought.

White is similar to Simmo in that he is an undersize ruckman that relies on his leap and athleticism. I think White's body is wearing out for that sort of game so I don't think he is what we are after.

 

[Tigerland]

We should only go after Warnock if we only have to give up a 3rd rounder or a player like JON. Otherwise it's dumb.

Our first pick (7, 8 or 9) could nab Vickery.
A Ruckman that can play forward and could probably play next year (limited time in the Ruck)
Vickery may have more upside than Warnock does.

Vickery may go before our pick but when you look at who's below us and their needs - he may just be around.

16th Melb - Watts
15th WCoast - Rich
13th Port - Nant
14th Freo-
12th Essend - Zieb (need lots but desperate for pacy midfielder)
11th Carlton - Hurley (need a solid defender)
10th Brisbane (midfielder & set for rucks) Hartlett
9th Collingwood ? (pacy midfielder)
8th Richmond - Vickery

Freo and Collingwood would be the concern as far as nabbing him.
If the Pies make the 8 I'd say we could land him.

 

[Wally Matera]

We should only go after Warnock if we only have to give up a 3rd rounder or a player like JON. Otherwise it's dumb.

Our first pick (7, 8 or 9) could nab Vickery.
A Ruckman that can play forward and could probably play next year (limited time in the Ruck)
Vickery may have more upside than Warnock does.

Vickery may go before our pick but when you look at who's below us and their needs - he may just be around.

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Great

As much as l love Patto and love the way he goes about it, but for **** sake, do we really want another "6 of 1, half a dozen of the other" type player???

We want a RUCKMAN! Nothing more, nothing less. A ruckman. Not a bloke that is a jack of all trades, but ****ing average at all of them.

Remember... Patto was a first round pick too, so save your "Vickery is better than Patto" comeback.

 

[beaver fever]

Vickery is very much a ruckman. It's just that his strong marking meant he was played forward at times. Pattison was the all australian u-18 CHF.

 

[CoggaRules]

Sorry Cogga but if Cam Cloke is getting games ahead of him then I'd rather we try and get Knobel back.

just offering a cheap suggestion to help Simmo, if we dont get any value from the developers next year RT. Yeah Cam Cloke is getting games ahead of him, but i reckon its purely to offer a taller option as an insurance to Kruezer.

Dont forget, the aints pounced on him when he moved from Port. He was part of their push the year they stumbled to the swans wasnt he? Then the Blues moved heavan and earth to lure him from the aints and they aints were pissed off to the max..

 

[CoggaRules]

Vickery is very much a ruckman. It's just that his strong marking meant he was played forward at times. Pattison was the all australian u-18 CHF.

he's got a dreaded knee reco on the CV beaver. Got to take that into account in some ways.

 

[beaver fever]

he's got a dreaded knee reco on the CV beaver. Got to take that into account in some ways.

So did Joel Selwood. We will assess it for sure, and if it comes good then we shouldn't be afraid of it. Better to do them while you are young. Don't forget Richardson did his ACL in 1995.