Tim the Toolman's Gold Coast Rumour

[Lace Out]

The day after the season ends its just going to be a mess, players leaving, a real media shitstorm

True,and the GC will be instant hate material after having poached from every single club without their supporters having any time to get used to the idea.

 

[Football Pope]

The following GC rumour sounded rather juicy...





Care to elaborate FP??

Yep....My mate's a physio...it was what MB said during his treatment session..

 

[Football Pope]

These players (as I understand it but I could be wrong) are players who have either nominated for the draft in the past but were not selected or those who have been in an AFL list but are no longer signed to a club (eg Thorp). They are more Rookie draft selections than PSD selections.

I also don't think they have ANY priority PSD selections (It hasn't been mentioned). That may simply mean they have the standard selections every other clubs has (eg equavelent to the number of ND picks not used) at which point their position in the rankings isn't specified (but will probably be the 1st team in a rd). This would be the only was I can see them netting both players, say Brennan as an uncontracted player and Riska as a standard player who walks into the PSD much like JMAC did last year.

If this happens then I would say you would get compensation for Brennan (a signed uncontracted player) but Riska would be treated as any other player who enters the PSD and goes to another club, and no compensation would be given.

Nope.....Could you explain why the PSD has become that sacred...that it would fall outside the "expansion period"?

AFL Chief Executive Officer Andrew Demetriou today said the AFL Commission had reviewed the AFL Rules around the Compensation that would be offered to clubs that lost a player to either the Gold Coast Football Club or Team GWS during the game’s expansion period.

21st June 2010 Review of draft compensation

 

[Nuggo]

21st June 2010 Review of draft compensation

See Gubby was representing us in that list......now that he is working for GWS I hope he wasn't leading us and the other teams down the garden path in the talks for compensation. His comments should be reviewed.

 

[crespo007]

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=76855

This link does NOT say anything about pre season draft picks.
If that helps crespo.

That was my point. They have no PSD draft concessions.

And as i mentioned before, i took the concessions other clubs would recieve to mean that if a player that was contracted at one club this year, but is contracted at GC next year, no matter how they got there, the team that lost the player will get a concession pick at the end of the first round. This is the only equitable way to do it and is how I think the AFL have intended it.

 

[coryne]

Nope.....Could you explain why the PSD has become that sacred...that it would fall outside the "expansion period"?




21st June 2010 Review of draft compensation

The term "expansion period" is a clumsy term used in the article, most likely due to the fact that the GWS has a 2 year period to take their uncontracted players, not 1 year like the GC.


ALL the talk about compensation picks being awarded to players taken by the expansion clubs has be in direct reference to the "16 uncontracted players" the 2 clubs have priority access to OUTSIDE of the draft system. If the club has priority access (meaning the original club has no other means of compensation) then the AFL will take responsibility for providing the original club with some compensation.


The PSD is a draft, and such ALL clubs have a chance to acquire players in it. To turn around and include players taken in the PSD because they are going to the GC or GWS would actually be going outside the spirit of rules set .............. (much like the GC being dogs and telling a player to walk into the PSD so they can pick them up for nothing is outside the spirit of the rules set).


If a fringe player goes into the ND and is picked up by the GC with a LATE pick (eg Hadley leaving Carlton and getting picked up with pick #100 in the ND) then should Carlton recieve a compensation pick for it ???



I wouldn't mind seeing the teams of ALL players taken by the GC17 or GWS being awarded compensation picks, but I just don't see it happening.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If a fringe player goes into the ND and is picked up by the GC with a LATE pick (eg Hadley leaving Carlton and getting picked up with pick #100 in the ND) then should Carlton recieve a compensation pick for it ???

What if the Gold Coast has told a non-fringe quality player to go in the draft and put a massive price on their own head that only the Gold Coast with its massive salary cap can afford?

In that case, I think a compensation pick would definitely be in order.

 

[LIONOFZION]

Yep....My mate's a physio...it was what MB said during his treatment session..

Very interesting. I've found it strange that Gold Coast have a one-off opportunity to grab 16 un-contracted players yet have repeatedly stated that they are more likely to add just eight?? Your physio could be on the money, then again he could be pulling all of our legs

 

[coryne]

What if the Gold Coast has told a non-fringe quality player to go in the draft and put a massive price on their own head that only the Gold Coast with its massive salary cap can afford?

In that case, I think a compensation pick would definitely be in order.

And I totally agree with this, but the AFL will just liken it to the Ball or Bradshaw situations last year where non-fringe players walked into drafts with big prices on their heads.


IF the GC try and pull this then there will, and should, be a HUGE backlash at least at club levels. That said I don't think the AFL would interviene if it does happen, after all "a stong GC = a strong AFL" or what ever mantra they are trying to spin ........

 

[Football Pope]

The term "expansion period" is a clumsy term used in the article, most likely due to the fact that the GWS has a 2 year period to take their uncontracted players, not 1 year like the GC.


ALL the talk about compensation picks being awarded to players taken by the expansion clubs has be in direct reference to the "16 uncontracted players" the 2 clubs have priority access to OUTSIDE of the draft system. If the club has priority access (meaning the original club has no other means of compensation) then the AFL will take responsibility for providing the original club with some compensation.


The PSD is a draft, and such ALL clubs have a chance to acquire players in it. To turn around and include players taken in the PSD because they are going to the GC or GWS would actually be going outside the spirit of rules set .............. (much like the GC being dogs and telling a player to walk into the PSD so they can pick them up for nothing is outside the spirit of the rules set).


If a fringe player goes into the ND and is picked up by the GC with a LATE pick (eg Hadley leaving Carlton and getting picked up with pick #100 in the ND) then should Carlton recieve a compensation pick for it ???



I wouldn't mind seeing the teams of ALL players taken by the GC17 or GWS being awarded compensation picks, but I just don't see it happening.

Doesn't seem clumsy at all!..Given they were the AFL's Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Demetriou's chosen words. Having listened to Demetriou's interview on SEN.and the question time afterwards...Demetriou answered in his typical manner "I will repeat, during the game's expansion period".

Not sure what you mean about the spirit of the rules set? The Luke Ball senario pops that on its head...


If a player fails to reach finacial agreement with a new contract at his 2010 club and nominates for the PSD and puts price on head, due to the GC having an extra million dollars in their kick... and ends up at GC....The 2010 club is not compensated because the player nominated for the PSD?????? That makes no sense..I don't agree...

The GC are entitiled to select up to 16 uncontracted players . Manager/agents will give the 2010 club every chance to better or match the amount of readies on offer by GC....Common sense will tell you that over a time, a percentage of those uncontracted players will end up at the GC via the PSD..The player still remains uncontracted during that time...So the compensation package would have to include those entering the PSD as well.

 

[Football Pope]

Very interesting. I've found it strange that Gold Coast have a one-off opportunity to grab 16 un-contracted players yet have repeatedly stated that they are more likely to add just eight?? Your physio could be on the money, then again he could be pulling all of our legs

LOL.....I'd say he's right on the money!...Announce 8......Lead Clubs into false sense of security...get over trade week & the national draft.....And Great Scott!...Top up in the PSD.....(The Clayton Draft)

 

[DeMerrett]

I can not wait until trade period/draft/end of season when all these signings become public.

Obviously I don't want Brennan or Riska to go, I will be putting money on Riska to win the B&F personally, he has to be top 3 at least. Other than that I'm actually quite excited.

 

[acuguy]

I believe that the coast will have 8 quality players signed from other clubs. Now unless another quality player becomes available immediately after the season or through the pre season draft then i think we will find they will list kids and lots of them.

I expect the suns to come somewhere between 13th and 16th next season. They will cop some awful beltings but once the core of their talented group gets 40 plus games under their belt - look out!

 

[Nuggo]

I believe that the coast will have 8 quality players signed from other clubs. Now unless another quality player becomes available immediately after the season or through the pre season draft then i think we will find they will list kids and lots of them.

I expect the suns to come somewhere between 13th and 16th next season. They will cop some awful beltings but once the core of their talented group gets 40 plus games under their belt - look out!

Those turkeys up the road are certainly unknown quantity. They will definitely get some un-contracted players plus they will trade some of those picks they have for a few players as well. So I think they will have a more balanced side then people think. If they go in with a simple game plan for the first year than I reckon they will click mid season and finish 10th - 15th.

We need to put up a sign on the front gate - Poachers Will Be Shot First Then Asked Questioned Later.

 

[Tim the Toolman]

Tim, Roster Watch is not a members only section.

doh! whoops

 

[Balony_pony16]

I would rather Risky go then Brennan...The thing is that Risky could win our B&F this season which will increase our compensation. But I can't see him being a elite player in the future, so am happy to see him go before brennan

 

[Tim the Toolman]

Sorry to bump this but lots of people on radio down here are saying the Fev deal was the reason why Rischa went but as you know what I've written, he was going anyway so for once Fev can't be blamed for everything!

 

[LionKing]

Maybe Riska also didn't want to play alongside the eye gouger

 

[Hollow Knight]

Sorry to bump this but lots of people on radio down here are saying the Fev deal was the reason why Rischa went but as you know what I've written, he was going anyway so for once Fev can't be blamed for everything!

Emma Quayle believes the same thing TtT.

 

[weevil]

Yep looks like you were on the money here mate.

 

[maroon and blue]

Sorry to bump this but lots of people on radio down here are saying the Fev deal was the reason why Rischa went but as you know what I've written, he was going anyway so for once Fev can't be blamed for everything!

Bit like the chicken and the egg, did Brisbane try to off load Riska because they got wind last year that he was going to the Gold Coast, or did Riska leave because Brisbane tried to trade him? Anyway I liked him and believe the club could have done more to keep him.

 

[Tim the Toolman]

That is exactly the mail I got from his cousin. Vossy was trying to offload him and get something for him as he knew he was leaving at the end of this year anyway.

You can't blame Vossy for trying to get something out of nothing? The fiasco surrounding the Bradshaw & Rischa trip to Melbourne was blown out of proportion though and I have no idea why Braddles was bandied about?

 

[Tim the Toolman]

Emma Quayle believes the same thing TtT.

I'm glad to be vindicated and in good company. She writes for the Australian doesn't she?

 

[Lionfan]

Got any good rumours for the Lions fans mate?? Light at the end of the tunnel perhaps?

 

[Tim the Toolman]

Sun always comes up tomorrow, don't worry.

Listen, down here in Melbourne the radio are all over Vossy and the Lions and for once we're under scrutiny from the press and rightly so as this year has been annus horriblis!

Light at the end of the tunnel is thus:

- hopefully some salary cap pressure release?
- we do have one more good forward coming through in the ACorn
- we had 3 Rising Star nom's this year, just as many as any other team
- the review at the club is already turning results
- whatever happens with Fev right now is going to be good for the club long term = either he gets charged and we can free up his contract / monies or he is cleared and has been given the biggest wake up call of his life and he has been backed by his team-mates
- we get one decent draft pick thanks to Rischa
- Alistair Lynch, Chris & Brad Scott, Justin Leppitsch, Mal Michael and Craig McCrae are all coming out of retirement and pulling on the boots just to help Vossy!

Yeah that last one was a wish and a great dream, but don't despair. The darkest hour is the one before the dawn.

Go lions!