Tim Watson on Ginnivan - the hypocrisy of the AFL media.

[GWT6]

Yeah no.

Even in countries that have decriminalised and legalised recreational drug use, it is only legal for personal use in very small quantities and supply is still illegal. Meaning, a private company couldn’t produce it as that would require them to produce and supply on mass. The only way that it can be produced on mass is if it’s fully government controlled and regulated which won’t happen.

Also law enforcement wouldn’t suddenly loose the allocated funding. It would either be diverted to other areas / new crime types and, additional funding would be required in other areas such as more roadside testing if more will potentially be under the influence. Then there’s still the black market space, they aren’t just going to disappear once legalised either. They aren’t going to suddenly loose a large % of funding.

Very much like the other threads regarding drugs - you again prove that while you have strong opinions, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Privately run commercial cannabis farms in the US are now a massive agricultural business.

Large-scale production: A portrait of today’s US cannabis industry

If there’s a country where the cannabis industry is evolving in leaps and bounds, it’s got to be the United States of America. With its changing legal framework an...

www.dinafem.org

Maybe time to sit these discussions out.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Very much like the other threads regarding drugs - you again prove that while you have strong opinions, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Privately run commercial cannabis farms in the US are now a massive agricultural business.

Large-scale production: A portrait of today’s US cannabis industry

If there’s a country where the cannabis industry is evolving in leaps and bounds, it’s got to be the United States of America. With its changing legal framework an...

www.dinafem.org

Maybe time to sit these discussions out.

Cannabis hasn’t been mentioned anywhere and we clearly haven’t been discussing that anywhere...

 

[Seedsfan]

Yeah no.

Even in countries that have decriminalised and legalised recreational drug use, it is only legal for personal use in very small quantities and supply is still illegal. Meaning, a private company couldn’t produce it as that would require them to produce and supply on mass. The only way that it can be produced on mass is if it’s fully government controlled and regulated which won’t happen.

Also law enforcement wouldn’t suddenly loose the allocated funding. It would either be diverted to other areas / new crime types and, additional funding would be required in other areas such as more roadside testing if more will potentially be under the influence. Then there’s still the black market space, they aren’t just going to disappear once legalised either. They aren’t going to suddenly loose a large % of funding.

Decriminalised and legal are two separate things. There are tight government controls on tobacco and police enforcement to stop people growing their own yet private companies still produce it and sell it

 

[Seedsfan]

Cannabis hasn’t been mentioned anywhere and we clearly haven’t been discussing that anywhere...

Lol what is it if not an illegal drug?

 

[JustaBattler]

This concept of simply just legalising and regulating it is one that’s full of political and social implications that need the be considered. It’s not as easy as simply, it should be legal to use.

The supply is directed and maintained primarily through organised crime/cartels. To legalise it, that essentially means tax payers and the Aust. Government would pay millions of $ to these entities for their supply. Or at a minimum, allow individuals to fund these entities at free will and ignore the further harm and dangers this entails further than drug supply.

This isn’t going to happen. So next, Australia would have to grow and cultivate their own supply to control and maintain. The plant (if cocaine) isn’t native to Australia and likely wouldn’t be suitable to grow on mass due to our climate. That means, a purpose built production and cultivation facility would need to be built which would cost tax payers literally hundreds of millions just to build.

Then there’s the ongoing maintenance, operating and security costs to run the facility. This would again likely be hundreds of millions per year just to maintain operations. Staff, chemists, security, distribution etc all ongoing costs.

Next, it would have to be available to the public at a reasonable price. Otherwise they will just buy the ‘other’ available stuff. So maybe $75-100. Significantly cutting down profits when considering the operating costs. Even with tax, if the costs is to high, market competition kicks in and the ‘other’ suppliers simply lower their cost.

Then there’s also the continued costs of medical care, police etc which wouldn’t just disappear. With increased availability it will likely result in increased need for health care. Police would still be receiving funding and targeting of the “black market supply”. So those costs are still maintained.

In the end, literally billions of tax $ would be spent so a small minority of the population can consume drugs. That money should be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc rather than Aust. Cultivating and legalising drugs.

Then you have to ask yourself if they are more available, do you want your children or other children having easier access? Lots of teenagers try cigarettes and alcohol while still in school even though they can’t legally purchase them, if legalised and cheaper it suddenly would likely become more common for teenagers to experiment with it. Do we want teenagers consuming more drugs at ease?

It’s a big discussion and not as simple as just, it should be legal for adults. It may be dull, but this is Just the tip of the iceberg for considerations.

The whole point of decriminalising drugs is to take the economic power away from criminal organisations and their ability to use the profits to corrupt every aspect of civil society mate. Putting control and distribution of 'drugz' into a regulated environment removes much more individual and societal harm and damage than it creates.

The 'war on drugz' was lost before it was even declared- 80 or so years ago...and the only people that have benefitted from its illegality are crooks and their paid off toadies - we carry bloated police forces, pay higher insurance premiums and stick people in goals at taxpayer cost for what gains exactly?

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

The whole point of decriminalising drugs is to take the economic power away from criminal organisations and their ability to use the profits to corrupt every aspect of civil society mate. Putting control and distribution of 'drugz' into a regulated environment removes much more individual and societal harm and damage than it creates.

The 'war on drugz' was lost before it was even declared- 80 or so years ago...and the only people that have benefitted from its illegality are crooks and their paid off toadies - we carry bloated police forces, pay higher insurance premiums and stick people in goals at taxpayer cost for what gains exactly?

I was replying to a post regarding legalising the use of coke in general.

Which to legalise it, would require govt involvement in the production/cultivation and cannot be outsourced to private industry. The current supply is from criminal entities. Decriminalisation does not change where the supply is coming from, so they still benefit. Which then we’re back to my original post, that the only way around that is for the Govt to produce it themselves. However this won’t happen due to substantial cost.

Decriminalisation for personal use is a completely different matter to wholesale legalisation. However decriminalisation in countries around the world still doesn’t allow the wholesale supply of the drug as that’s still supporting these criminal entities. Supplying (although some countries have decriminalised ‘social supply’ eg, small amounts) it is still illegal which is why it can’t just suddenly be a matter for private companies. And the reason for this, is so we aren’t funding criminal entities again.

This is where Coke and cannabis differ hugely (as someone wanted to bring into it). An individual can easily enough obtain and grow a cannabis plant without to much hassle for their own personal use. The coca plant is completely different and the process to actually get the final result is not as simple as picking leaves off a tree. Thus, most individuals likely wouldn’t have the skills to be able to make it for their own personal use, most would likely severely harm themselves by getting it wrong and it would then have to be supplied.

Then it’s back to the illegality of supplying these drugs. Which regardless of where we are on the planet, I do not believe there is a single country that has legalised the privatisation and supply of coke because it is a much more dangerous substance.

Yes, it has been decriminalised in places for individual use however that doesn’t remove the enforcement around its supply and importation.

Decriminalisation isn’t some silver bullet. In the end, although individuals aren’t clogging up the court system and they have better access to health care, the drugs are still being purchased down the chain from those same criminal entities and causing just as much harm.

Anyway somewhat back on topic, yes it is hypocritical of the media to call out players when they should both be avoiding it. Even if it’s decriminalised, it’s still a risk for professional athletes as they don’t know what’s in it.

 

[JustaBattler]

I was replying to a post regarding legalising the use of coke in general.

Which to legalise it, would require govt involvement in the production/cultivation and cannot be outsourced to private industry. The current supply is from criminal entities. Decriminalisation does not change where the supply is coming from, so they still benefit. Which then we’re back to my original post, that the only way around that is for the Govt to produce it themselves. However this won’t happen due to substantial cost.

Decriminalisation for personal use is a completely different matter to wholesale legalisation. However decriminalisation in countries around the world still doesn’t allow the wholesale supply of the drug as that’s still supporting these criminal entities. Supplying (although some countries have decriminalised ‘social supply’ eg, small amounts) it is still illegal which is why it can’t just suddenly be a matter for private companies. And the reason for this, is so we aren’t funding criminal entities again.

This is where Coke and cannabis differ hugely (as someone wanted to bring into it). An individual can easily enough obtain and grow a cannabis plant without to much hassle for their own personal use. The coca plant is completely different and the process to actually get the final result is not as simple as picking leaves off a tree. Thus, most individuals likely wouldn’t have the skills to be able to make it for their own personal use, most would likely severely harm themselves by getting it wrong and it would then have to be supplied.

Then it’s back to the illegality of supplying these drugs. Which regardless of where we are on the planet, I do not believe there is a single country that has legalised the privatisation and supply of coke because it is a much more dangerous substance.

Yes, it has been decriminalised in places for individual use however that doesn’t remove the enforcement around its supply and importation.

Decriminalisation isn’t some silver bullet. In the end, although individuals aren’t clogging up the court system and they have better access to health care, the drugs are still being purchased down the chain from those same criminal entities and causing just as much harm.

Anyway somewhat back on topic, yes it is hypocritical of the media to call out players when they should both be avoiding it. Even if it’s decriminalised, it’s still a risk for professional athletes as they don’t know what’s in it.

The rational equation is a regulated by the government market for drugz mate. Having a regulated production, sales system removes the incentives and the returns for illegal activity. A regulated market proscribes standards and processes that apply to the market.

There is plenty of literature conducted over decades that you can refer to in your own time.

The discussion ahs gone off topic anyway.

 

[GWT6]

I was replying to a post regarding legalising the use of coke in general.

Which to legalise it, would require govt involvement in the production/cultivation and cannot be outsourced to private industry. The current supply is from criminal entities. Decriminalisation does not change where the supply is coming from, so they still benefit. Which then we’re back to my original post, that the only way around that is for the Govt to produce it themselves. However this won’t happen due to substantial cost.

Decriminalisation for personal use is a completely different matter to wholesale legalisation. However decriminalisation in countries around the world still doesn’t allow the wholesale supply of the drug as that’s still supporting these criminal entities. Supplying (although some countries have decriminalised ‘social supply’ eg, small amounts) it is still illegal which is why it can’t just suddenly be a matter for private companies. And the reason for this, is so we aren’t funding criminal entities again.

This is where Coke and cannabis differ hugely (as someone wanted to bring into it). An individual can easily enough obtain and grow a cannabis plant without to much hassle for their own personal use. The coca plant is completely different and the process to actually get the final result is not as simple as picking leaves off a tree. Thus, most individuals likely wouldn’t have the skills to be able to make it for their own personal use, most would likely severely harm themselves by getting it wrong and it would then have to be supplied.

Then it’s back to the illegality of supplying these drugs. Which regardless of where we are on the planet, I do not believe there is a single country that has legalised the privatisation and supply of coke because it is a much more dangerous substance.

Yes, it has been decriminalised in places for individual use however that doesn’t remove the enforcement around its supply and importation.

Decriminalisation isn’t some silver bullet. In the end, although individuals aren’t clogging up the court system and they have better access to health care, the drugs are still being purchased down the chain from those same criminal entities and causing just as much harm.

Anyway somewhat back on topic, yes it is hypocritical of the media to call out players when they should both be avoiding it. Even if it’s decriminalised, it’s still a risk for professional athletes as they don’t know what’s in it.

Just walk away. You are now making a real goose of yourself.

 

[PrinceCharles]

I was replying to a post regarding legalising the use of coke in general.

No you weren't, this was the post you replied to.

Drugs should be legal for sound of mind adults... much like alcohol, regulate it and tax it.

As for Ginnivan, IMO no worse than getting blind drunk which is often celebrated within the Australian community.

 

[beerbandit]

I actually like Tim Watson. Sounds like I’m about the only one.

 

[jc37]

I dunno

Chances are a 61 year old probably doesn't come across it as much as a younger bloke

If he is hanging around his mate Bomber he might. Van Der Haar used to play games pissed.

I will always remember Tim Watson winning father of year and than what seemed a week later being called out for cheating on his wife.

 

[terrybull]

When is crack-baby wrestling going to be an official sport? Hello! It’s the 2020’s already!

 

[terrybull]

Very much like the other threads regarding drugs - you again prove that while you have strong opinions, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Privately run commercial cannabis farms in the US are now a massive agricultural business.

Large-scale production: A portrait of today’s US cannabis industry

If there’s a country where the cannabis industry is evolving in leaps and bounds, it’s got to be the United States of America. With its changing legal framework an...

www.dinafem.org

Maybe time to sit these discussions out.

 

[Bell Ringer]

Just walk away. You are now making a real goose of yourself.

Surely the Golden Triangle has put Tassie Alkaloids out of business by now?

 

[GWT6]

Surely the Golden Triangle has put Tassie Alkaloids out of business by now?

Wow - I'd never heard of Tassie Alkaloids - just looked them up. - "Approximately forty percent of the world's legal opiate crop is grown in Tasmania"

Looks like they are also farming cannabis and will make 9 million bottles of medical cannabis per year.

Supporting new medical cannabis venture

www.premier.tas.gov.au

But, according to the expert, commercial organizations will never be able to do this.......

 

[phantom13]

Genuine question for anyone.

Does anyone actually care when a young, wealthy footballer does some rack in the off season?

 

[Saint]

Genuine question for anyone.

Does anyone actually care when a young, wealthy footballer does some rack in the off season?

You're implying it was Cocaine, but it wasn't....mmmm K

 

[beerbandit]

If he is hanging around his mate Bomber he might. Van Der Haar used to play games pissed.

I will always remember Tim Watson winning father of year and than what seemed a week later being called out for cheating on his wife.

I remember this as well. Very funny

 

[phantom13]

You're implying it was Cocaine, but it wasn't....mmmm K

Honestly either or. K being the footy players drug of choice over rack makes me feel old but.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

With his salary i imagine he is getting clean stuff and not coke that is cut with fentanyl.

Well you hope so.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

medical

There’s a key word in there, anddddd there it is.

 

[Osho]

Projection, psychology, meaning: projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else!

Well fcuk me Timothy!

 

[Engimal v3]

Genuine question for anyone.

Does anyone actually care when a young, wealthy footballer does some rack in the off season?

Good chance there was absolutely no coke in whatever he was snorting anyway lol

 

[Strange Cat]

Genuine question for anyone.

Does anyone actually care when a young, wealthy footballer does some rack in the off season?

Not really

It does however demonstrate they have a poor respect for their privileged job position and I would question their commitment to getting the best out of themselves considering the untested s**t they are putting into their bodies

But young people are stupid and risk takers…it’s nothing new

 

[phantom13]

Not really

It does however demonstrate they have a poor respect for their privileged job position and I would question their commitment to getting the best out of themselves considering the untested s**t they are putting into their bodies

But young people are stupid and risk takers…it’s nothing new

I think thats a bit of a stretch.

Its an incredibly high pressure job and with club rules and skinfolds theyre barely allowed to have a few beers to unwind. Im not saying break out the violins for them but you cant just be 100% professional athlete 100% of the time. You need some release.