Tim Watson on Ginnivan - the hypocrisy of the AFL media.

[GWT6]

I know there are other threads about Ginnivan - this is about the Media/ex-AFL players and their hypocrisy when commenting on it.

Article from news.com

On Tuesday morning, Bombers legend and SEN Breakfast radio host Tim Watson said Ginnivan’s decision to take an unknown substance as an elite athlete “beggars belief”.

“I’ll tell you what worries me the most about this and that is what it can lead to,” he told SEN.

“You’ve someone in the middle of a footy camp... and the thing they want to do is participate in illegal drug taking. Heavy drug taking. They may have just had a lecture on diet and all the things you need to put in your system and they sit there and say, ‘Yeah, we have to be careful about what we eat and we have to keep our skinfolds down’ and all that kind of thing’.

“And then they go and put something into their bodies that they’ve got no ideas about how it was controlled. How it was made. What it was cut with. Where it was cut. And the lack of safety and the issues around that. That beggars belief for me that somebody involved in an elite professional training program and sport (would do that).”

Now Tim Watson has spent years spinning the Bombers drug cheating, saying either there was nothing to hide, or that the players didn't know what they were taking, covering up his son's drug cheating - and know he wants to get on his soap box about a player taking drugs for fun, and saying players have the education to know they should not do it, and media oulets run with him as he is some sort of moral leader to follow.

Singling out Watson here - but everyone involved with AFL knows that recreational drugs are used by not only the players, but coaches and administrators, and the media. They hypocrisy of this is just astounding.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/mum-of-former-player-rocks-collingwood-with-startling-radio-call/news-story/6b042785f465b30439cff4edc207fbfa

 

[M Malice]

Drugs should be legal for sound of mind adults... much like alcohol, regulate it and tax it.

As for Ginnivan, IMO no worse than getting blind drunk which is often celebrated within the Australian community.

 

[00Stinger]

I dunno

Chances are a 61 year old probably doesn't come across it as much as a younger bloke

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Drugs should be legal for sound of mind adults... much like alcohol, regulate it and tax it.

As for Ginnivan, IMO no worse than getting blind drunk which is often celebrated within the Australian community.

Agree. But at present, it's not. So there is an obligation to abide by the current laws, especially in an age where the true contents and origin of the substance is unknown.

In the future it will probably be legal to drive above 110kph. But at the moment it's not, because apparently we don't yet have the technology etc to facilitate it on most roads. So we are obligated to drive at or below 110kph or face a sanction, even though most of us could probably do it safely.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

As for Ginnivan, IMO no worse than getting blind drunk which is often celebrated within the Australian community.

To be fair, that's kind of frowned upon from athletes too these days.

 

[Osho]

I know there are other threads about Ginnivan - this is about the Media/ex-AFL players and their hypocrisy when commenting on it.

Article from news.com

On Tuesday morning, Bombers legend and SEN Breakfast radio host Tim Watson said Ginnivan’s decision to take an unknown substance as an elite athlete “beggars belief”.

“I’ll tell you what worries me the most about this and that is what it can lead to,” he told SEN.

“You’ve someone in the middle of a footy camp... and the thing they want to do is participate in illegal drug taking. Heavy drug taking. They may have just had a lecture on diet and all the things you need to put in your system and they sit there and say, ‘Yeah, we have to be careful about what we eat and we have to keep our skinfolds down’ and all that kind of thing’.

“And then they go and put something into their bodies that they’ve got no ideas about how it was controlled. How it was made. What it was cut with. Where it was cut. And the lack of safety and the issues around that. That beggars belief for me that somebody involved in an elite professional training program and sport (would do that).”

Now Tim Watson has spent years spinning the Bombers drug cheating, saying either there was nothing to hide, or that the players didn't know what they were taking, covering up his son's drug cheating - and know he wants to get on his soap box about a player taking drugs for fun, and saying players have the education to know they should not do it, and media oulets run with him as he is some sort of moral leader to follow.

Singling out Watson here - but everyone involved with AFL knows that recreational drugs are used by not only the players, but coaches and administrators, and the media. They hypocrisy of this is just astounding.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/mum-of-former-player-rocks-collingwood-with-startling-radio-call/news-story/6b042785f465b30439cff4edc207fbfa

Watson's a w***er,
Da da dada da
Watson's a w***er ...

 

[Red Bull]

Some at the dons would shudder every time watson or robbo open their traps.
With friends like those 2, who needs enemies …

 

[masai tu]

You can have a go at Watson for his Don’s connection, but I take from that article the query as to the “quality” of the product they are playing with.

With alcohol, it says on the bottle what the alcohol percentage is. With these drugs, how do we know what they have been cut with ?. It could be ketamine or caster sugar.

 

[Danw0w]

Drugs should be legal for sound of mind adults... much like alcohol, regulate it and tax it.

As for Ginnivan, IMO no worse than getting blind drunk which is often celebrated within the Australian community.

What is a "sound of mind" adult?

 

[windyhill]

Watson should stick to shafting coaches and putting his man in place. Such a roaring success the first time.Yeah,nah.
Amazing how he escaped so much scutiny when the hird thing blew up.

 

[BF Tiger]

Tim Watson is an idiot.

 

[WillHayward]

Tim Watson is seriously the worst bloke out there.

His kid was a senior mature player who was balls deep in needles during the Hird years and was leading younger players to inject eyeball deep.

Then Tim simply blames Hird and becomes sanctimonious about a young kid like Ginnivan.

Watson is cognitive dissonance writ large.

A legit flog.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

You can have a go at Watson for his Don’s connection, but I take from that article the query as to the “quality” of the product they are playing with.

With alcohol, it says on the bottle what the alcohol percentage is. With these drugs, how do we know what they have been cut with ?. It could be ketamine or caster sugar.

Funnily enough that was one of the issues with the Essendon saga, nobody knows what was injected.

 

[RAPPA]

Wstson just genuinely curious if it was 100% pure Columbian charlie

 

[Osho]

Wstson just genuinely curious if it was 100% pure Columbian charlie

"If it's goodkwal, go hard!" Tim "Where's the shredder" Watson.

 

[owen87]

Funnily enough that was one of the issues with the Essendon saga, nobody knows what was injected.

If only that spreadsheet had been stored better...

 

[Red Bull]

Funnily enough that was one of the issues with the Essendon saga, nobody knows what was injected.

But we can tell you that it wasn’t illegal/banned …

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Drugs should be legal for sound of mind adults... much like alcohol, regulate it and tax it.

This concept of simply just legalising and regulating it is one that’s full of political and social implications that need the be considered. It’s not as easy as simply, it should be legal to use.

The supply is directed and maintained primarily through organised crime/cartels. To legalise it, that essentially means tax payers and the Aust. Government would pay millions of $ to these entities for their supply. Or at a minimum, allow individuals to fund these entities at free will and ignore the further harm and dangers this entails further than drug supply.

This isn’t going to happen. So next, Australia would have to grow and cultivate their own supply to control and maintain. The plant (if cocaine) isn’t native to Australia and likely wouldn’t be suitable to grow on mass due to our climate. That means, a purpose built production and cultivation facility would need to be built which would cost tax payers literally hundreds of millions just to build.

Then there’s the ongoing maintenance, operating and security costs to run the facility. This would again likely be hundreds of millions per year just to maintain operations. Staff, chemists, security, distribution etc all ongoing costs.

Next, it would have to be available to the public at a reasonable price. Otherwise they will just buy the ‘other’ available stuff. So maybe $75-100. Significantly cutting down profits when considering the operating costs. Even with tax, if the costs is to high, market competition kicks in and the ‘other’ suppliers simply lower their cost.

Then there’s also the continued costs of medical care, police etc which wouldn’t just disappear. With increased availability it will likely result in increased need for health care. Police would still be receiving funding and targeting of the “black market supply”. So those costs are still maintained.

In the end, literally billions of tax $ would be spent so a small minority of the population can consume drugs. That money should be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc rather than Aust. Cultivating and legalising drugs.

Then you have to ask yourself if they are more available, do you want your children or other children having easier access? Lots of teenagers try cigarettes and alcohol while still in school even though they can’t legally purchase them, if legalised and cheaper it suddenly would likely become more common for teenagers to experiment with it. Do we want teenagers consuming more drugs at ease?

It’s a big discussion and not as simple as just, it should be legal for adults. It may be dull, but this is Just the tip of the iceberg for considerations.

 

[NonPhixion]

Still don't know why Ginnivan didn't take the Wayne Carey approach and insist it was crushed up neurofen

 

[M Malice]

This concept of simply just legalising and regulating it is one that’s full of political and social implications that need the be considered. It’s not as easy as simply, it should be legal to use.

The supply is directed and maintained primarily through organised crime/cartels. To legalise it, that essentially means tax payers and the Aust. Government would pay millions of $ to these entities for their supply. Or at a minimum, allow individuals to fund these entities at free will and ignore the further harm and dangers this entails further than drug supply.

This isn’t going to happen. So next, Australia would have to grow and cultivate their own supply to control and maintain. The plant (if cocaine) isn’t native to Australia and likely wouldn’t be suitable to grow on mass due to our climate. That means, a purpose built production and cultivation facility would need to be built which would cost tax payers literally hundreds of millions just to build.

Then there’s the ongoing maintenance, operating and security costs to run the facility. This would again likely be hundreds of millions per year just to maintain operations. Staff, chemists, security, distribution etc all ongoing costs.

Next, it would have to be available to the public at a reasonable price. Otherwise they will just buy the ‘other’ available stuff. So maybe $75-100. Significantly cutting down profits when considering the operating costs. Even with tax, if the costs is to high, market competition kicks in and the ‘other’ suppliers simply lower their cost.

Then there’s also the continued costs of medical care, police etc which wouldn’t just disappear. With increased availability it will likely result in increased need for health care. Police would still be receiving funding and targeting of the “black market supply”. So those costs are still maintained.

In the end, literally billions of tax $ would be spent so a small minority of the population can consume drugs. That money should be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc rather than Aust. Cultivating and legalising drugs.

Then you have to ask yourself if they are more available, do you want your children or other children having easier access? Lots of teenagers try cigarettes and alcohol while still in school even though they can’t legally purchase them, if legalised and cheaper it suddenly would likely become more common for teenagers to experiment with it. Do we want teenagers consuming more drugs at ease?

It’s a big discussion and not as simple as just, it should be legal for adults. It may be dull, but this is Just the tip of the iceberg for considerations.

I know it's a more nuanced complicated discussion... this is not the thread to go into it in detail... FWIW the war on drugs is lost and IMO will never be won.

There have been a few threads over the years on Big Footy that have delved into the "legalise drugs" debate in great detail.

I have been banned from that part of Big Footy for a while but used to contribute to the discussion on those threads.

 

[Bluelegs]

Agree. But at present, it's not. So there is an obligation to abide by the current laws, especially in an age where the true contents and origin of the substance is unknown.

In the future it will probably be legal to drive above 110kph. But at the moment it's not, because apparently we don't yet have the technology etc to facilitate it on most roads. So we are obligated to drive at or below 110kph or face a sanction, even though most of us could probably do it safely.

You're conflating law with morality.

 

[Bluelegs]

This concept of simply just legalising and regulating it is one that’s full of political and social implications that need the be considered. It’s not as easy as simply, it should be legal to use.

The supply is directed and maintained primarily through organised crime/cartels. To legalise it, that essentially means tax payers and the Aust. Government would pay millions of $ to these entities for their supply. Or at a minimum, allow individuals to fund these entities at free will and ignore the further harm and dangers this entails further than drug supply.

This isn’t going to happen. So next, Australia would have to grow and cultivate their own supply to control and maintain. The plant (if cocaine) isn’t native to Australia and likely wouldn’t be suitable to grow on mass due to our climate. That means, a purpose built production and cultivation facility would need to be built which would cost tax payers literally hundreds of millions just to build.

Then there’s the ongoing maintenance, operating and security costs to run the facility. This would again likely be hundreds of millions per year just to maintain operations. Staff, chemists, security, distribution etc all ongoing costs.

Next, it would have to be available to the public at a reasonable price. Otherwise they will just buy the ‘other’ available stuff. So maybe $75-100. Significantly cutting down profits when considering the operating costs. Even with tax, if the costs is to high, market competition kicks in and the ‘other’ suppliers simply lower their cost.

Then there’s also the continued costs of medical care, police etc which wouldn’t just disappear. With increased availability it will likely result in increased need for health care. Police would still be receiving funding and targeting of the “black market supply”. So those costs are still maintained.

In the end, literally billions of tax $ would be spent so a small minority of the population can consume drugs. That money should be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc rather than Aust. Cultivating and legalising drugs.

Then you have to ask yourself if they are more available, do you want your children or other children having easier access? Lots of teenagers try cigarettes and alcohol while still in school even though they can’t legally purchase them, if legalised and cheaper it suddenly would likely become more common for teenagers to experiment with it. Do we want teenagers consuming more drugs at ease?

It’s a big discussion and not as simple as just, it should be legal for adults. It may be dull, but this is Just the tip of the iceberg for considerations.

All the costs of legalising and regulating drug-use + providing support networks for addicts can be taken directly from the money that is spent enforcing draconian laws and the tax made from sales.

 

[Seedsfan]

This concept of simply just legalising and regulating it is one that’s full of political and social implications that need the be considered. It’s not as easy as simply, it should be legal to use.

The supply is directed and maintained primarily through organised crime/cartels. To legalise it, that essentially means tax payers and the Aust. Government would pay millions of $ to these entities for their supply. Or at a minimum, allow individuals to fund these entities at free will and ignore the further harm and dangers this entails further than drug supply.

This isn’t going to happen. So next, Australia would have to grow and cultivate their own supply to control and maintain. The plant (if cocaine) isn’t native to Australia and likely wouldn’t be suitable to grow on mass due to our climate. That means, a purpose built production and cultivation facility would need to be built which would cost tax payers literally hundreds of millions just to build.

Then there’s the ongoing maintenance, operating and security costs to run the facility. This would again likely be hundreds of millions per year just to maintain operations. Staff, chemists, security, distribution etc all ongoing costs.

Next, it would have to be available to the public at a reasonable price. Otherwise they will just buy the ‘other’ available stuff. So maybe $75-100. Significantly cutting down profits when considering the operating costs. Even with tax, if the costs is to high, market competition kicks in and the ‘other’ suppliers simply lower their cost.

Then there’s also the continued costs of medical care, police etc which wouldn’t just disappear. With increased availability it will likely result in increased need for health care. Police would still be receiving funding and targeting of the “black market supply”. So those costs are still maintained.

In the end, literally billions of tax $ would be spent so a small minority of the population can consume drugs. That money should be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads, infrastructure etc rather than Aust. Cultivating and legalising drugs.

Then you have to ask yourself if they are more available, do you want your children or other children having easier access? Lots of teenagers try cigarettes and alcohol while still in school even though they can’t legally purchase them, if legalised and cheaper it suddenly would likely become more common for teenagers to experiment with it. Do we want teenagers consuming more drugs at ease?

It’s a big discussion and not as simple as just, it should be legal for adults. It may be dull, but this is Just the tip of the iceberg for considerations.

Lol biggest load of s**t I have read.

Why are tax payers paying to grow drugs if the proposal is to make it legal in the same way alcohol is? A private company will invest the money abide by the government regulations to then make the profits.

Drugs are so wide spread now that them being illegal isn’t stopping anyone from being an addict.

We spend 1.5 billion annually on drug enforcement that could be dramatically reduced if there was a legal supply. That money could be put towards a better health system.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Lol biggest load of s**t I have read.

Why are tax payers paying to grow drugs if the proposal is to make it legal in the same way alcohol is? A private company will invest the money abide by the government regulations to then make the profits.

Drugs are so wide spread now that them being illegal isn’t stopping anyone from being an addict.

We spend 1.5 billion annually on drug enforcement that could be dramatically reduced if there was a legal supply. That money could be put towards a better health system.

Yeah no.

Even in countries that have decriminalised and legalised recreational drug use, it is only legal for personal use in very small quantities and supply is still illegal. Meaning, a private company couldn’t produce it as that would require them to produce and supply on mass. The only way that it can be produced on mass is if it’s fully government controlled and regulated which won’t happen.

Also law enforcement wouldn’t suddenly loose the allocated funding. It would either be diverted to other areas / new crime types and, additional funding would be required in other areas such as more roadside testing if more will potentially be under the influence. Then there’s still the black market space, they aren’t just going to disappear once legalised either. They aren’t going to suddenly loose a large % of funding.

 

[smasha]

I dunno

Chances are a 61 year old probably doesn't come across it as much as a younger bloke

61 knows Moon,Richards and Hendrix.