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[Tex200]

You can't now adopt a fence sitting "remains to be seen" attitude towards him. Don't forget:


I can understand why you'd now want to change your stance.

If Tippett is "just an average player" then it reflects poorly on the Swans for picking him up. You're going around in circles because you don't seem to be able to accept that calling Tippett an average player brings into question Sydney's ability to judge player value.

Im not going around in circles at all. Your trying to take this around in circles because you have no argument. Are you now suggesting Sydney have never speculated when recruiting a player ? Are you suggesting they only ever recruit ready made stars?

The fact is you have no evidence and you are resorting to playing the man.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Im not going around in circles at all. Your trying to take this around in circles because you have no argument. Are you now suggesting Sydney have never speculated when recruiting a player ? Are you suggesting they only ever recruit ready made stars?

The fact is you have no evidence and you are resorting to playing the man.

They haven't rolled the dice with a speculative rookie pick here that doesn't matter. He's now their highest paid player.

You are going around in circles. Initially you said he's average, then realised that if he's average then Sydney are dolts for picking him. You know they're not dolts.... which means...

 

[Tex200]

I agree with those comments.
His value had originally been inflated because of the GCS factor and the Crows were prepared to pay overs. IMO Sydney are now also paying overs as a carry over of what the Crows were offering. As of now, I don't see $kirt anywhere near elite.
I also remeber when Malthouse was interviewed on AA this year and the comparison came up between $kirt and Cloke, he was asked if he had the choice who would he choose between the two. Mick had no hesitation in declaring that he thought Cloke was the much better forward out of the 2.

In regards to finals performances this year $kirt had 2 stinkers and 1 belter. His game against the Hawks was fantastic, then again he has pansed Shoenmakers before. His games against the Swans and Freo were pathetic.
I also cant see how they will play Mumford, Pike and Tippett in the same.

I also found Walkers stats interesting: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Taylor_Walker.html
and here are Clokes stats as well: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Travis_Cloke.html

Be careful ....they don't seem to like facts here.

Walker is of course well above Tippett in class and output.

Interesting seeing Clokes stats. Tippett just shades him for goals per game, but Clokes stats in marks and possessions are better. Cloke has an AA jumper too.

 

[Tex200]

They haven't rolled the dice with a speculative rookie pick here that doesn't matter. He's now their highest pai

]d player.

You are going around in circles. Initially you said he's average, then realised that if he's average then Sydney are dolts for picking him. You know they're not dolts.... which means...

Lol....your just making this up as you go along. Where did i say tippett was a rookie pick. Tippett is an average player who they believe can be a very good player . Neither you or I can say whether they are correct.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

And Cloke doesn't have two pennies to rub together

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Lol....your just making this up as you go along. Where did i say tippett was a rookie pick. Tippett is an average player who they believe can be a very good player . Neither you or I can say whether they are correct.

Speculative was the word you used.

I pointed out that you don't throw that sort of money on a "speculative" player who may turn out to be a dud.

Look, it's not hard. If you think he's an average player just say it:

"Tippett is an average player and the Swans have made a massive mistake"

That's all you need to do.

 

[Tex200]

Speculative was the word you used.

I pointed out that you don't throw that sort of money on a "speculative" player who may turn out to be a dud.

Look, it's not hard. If you think he's an average player just say it:

"Tippett is an average player and the Swans have made a massive mistake"

That's all you need to do.

I absolutely won't say that just because you want me too. Marty Mattner was an average player when they picked him up. On your rationale I must say that was a massive mistake?

Your starting to sound childish.....

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I absolutely won't say that just because you want me too. Marty Mattner was an average player when they picked him up. On your rationale I must say that was a massive mistake?

Your starting to sound childish.....

Was Mattner their highest paid player?

 

[Tex200]

Speculative was the word you used.

I pointed out that you don't throw that sort of money on a "speculative" player who may turn out to be a dud.

Look, it's not hard. If you think he's an average player just say it:

"Tippett is an average player and the Swans have made a massive mistake"

That's all you need to do.

In fact lets turn this around. You say " Sydney is making Tippett its highest paid player, therefore Tippett will be a Hall of Fame inductee and a legend of Sydney Swans."

That's all you have to say.

 

[*PAF]

Actually they didn't want him at that price. All they had to do was restructure some contracts to fit him in, if they wanted.

GWS was the best example of someone who had every reason to take him, bar the salary cap hit.

Sheedy was playing games all along.
Tippett for them would be a waste on money atm, however if they were in the running for a premiership it would have been a whole different story.
The Melbourne teams didn't have the cash to spare and Tippett had made it very clear he wanted to go to Sydney. If the price was a tad (repeat tad) cheaper and if he was willing to go to Melbourne you can bet your bottom dollar a few would have made offers.

 

[*PAF]

Well, considering you've already disregarded both statistics and market value as reliable indicators of a player's worth, and disagree with whatever anecdotal evidence people throw your way, what possible evidence do you want us to present you with?

You weren't kidding when you said there was no answer to your question. You've taken all possible answers away.

He found the one or two where Tippett doesn't show up very well and they are the only ones that can be used.

How many Fricking AAs did BBB have before he went to Sydney for a big price? Zippo what a dud, and all clubs that were willing to pay big $ for him at the time were totally clueless.
Sydney were very lucky that it went against the odds and he turned out to be a half decent player hey?

 

[Sekaj]

With Tippett gone, Travis Boak can take the mantle of most overpaid player in SA.

 

[Sanders]

That's all fine - but for all posters who think Tippett sucks, *if* you think Tippett is an average player who is not worth the money and that Sydney have made a foolish decision that will cost them big time, and their chances of future success are now diminished... then say that. You can't say the first bit without the second bit. People are shying away from that because 1) Sydney are successful and 2) they have an excellent track record with recruits.

It's like the posters who would say that the club were right to part ways with NC but continued to defend him vehemently against every criticism.

Oh sure i get that

I think paying a good player like a great one will blow up in their face. It handcuffs their cap when FA makes it important to avoid just that.

AND signing Kurt might just cost them cola.

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

With Tippett gone, Travis Boak can take the mantle of most overpaid player in SA.

I think it is John Butcher Nick Gill mark 2

 

[*PAF]

Oh sure i get that

I think paying a good player like a great one will blow up in their face. It handcuffs their cap when FA makes it important to avoid just that.

AND signing Kurt might just cost them cola.

$3.5M over 4 years is not really that much nowaydays for a CHF that would be in the top 5 CHFs in the league. He also happens to be the sort of player Sydney needs.
As Spacky said, the Crows were offered $3M over 4 years and who knows if push came to shove they may have even upped it a bit more, so Sydney are not really paying that much more.

 

[*PAF]

With Tippett gone, Travis Boak can take the mantle of most overpaid player in SA.

I think it is John Butcher Nick Gill mark 2

Mods please move to the "Port chat for Crows Board posters" thread.

 

[Sanders]

$3.5M over 4 years is not really that much nowaydays for a CHF that would be in the top 5 CHFs in the league. He also happens to be the sort of player Sydney needs.
As Spacky said, the Crows were offered $3M over 4 years and who knows if push came to shove they may have even upped it a bit more, so Sydney are not really paying that much more.

Yeah it is. Its more than cloke for example, and for his production its a lot overs

And of course he's not a CHF. He plays a deep FF

 

[*PAF]

Yeah it is. Its more than cloke for example, and for his production its a lot overs

And of course he's not a CHF. He plays a deep FF

He plays that spot between CHF and FF that 100% suits Sydney.

 

[Sanders]

He found the one or two where Tippett doesn't show up very well and they are the only ones that can be used.

How many Fricking AAs did BBB have before he went to Sydney for a big price? Zippo what a dud, and all clubs that were willing to pay big $ for him at the time were totally clueless.
Sydney were very lucky that it went against the odds and he turned out to be a half decent player hey?

Hall didn't go as their highest paid player or one of leagues highest. My memory (?) isn't that it was a big money deal like this one

And going by numbers he came off 3 great years - unlike comrade kurt

 

[*PAF]

Hall didn't go as their highest paid player or one of leagues highest. My memory (?) isn't that it was a big money deal like this one

And going by numbers he came off 3 great years - unlike comrade kurt

He did go on big bucks (IIRC) and Kurt's last 3 years are probably better than Hall's 3 years prior to going to Sydney. Again IIRC. I'll run a search to check shortly.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Be careful ....they don't seem to like facts here.

Walker is of course well above Tippett in class and output.

Interesting seeing Clokes stats. Tippett just shades him for goals per game, but Clokes stats in marks and possessions are better. Cloke has an AA jumper too.

Yep I'd have Walker over $kirt any day of the week.

I did a comparison between Walker and Cloke:
Whilst Cloke has played 8 seasons compared to Walkers 4, I thought I'd do a comparo on Cloke's first 4 years compared to Tex. Cloke averaged 1.22 goals per game v Tex's 2.4 and Cloke played 14 more games at the same stage.
I then did a comparo on Clokes last 4 years and his average for goals per game has gone up to 1.93 having played 96 games, still Tex's first 4 years is better than Clokes last 4 in terms of goals per game.

In terms of marks in the first 4 years Cloke averaged 6.1 (having played 14 more games) to Tex's 5.1. Cloke's next 4 averaged 7.0 per game.

As far as disposals go, Cloke averaged 12.7 in the first 4 and increased that to 14.7 in the last 4. Tex is currently averaging 11.6.

Interestingly Cloke's best year for the number of goals kicked was 2011 for 69, having played 25 games. Tex's best was this year for 63 goals from 19 games.

All in all Tex has been fantastic up to now, lets hope he can get better.

 

[Sanders]

He did go on big bucks (IIRC) and Kurt's last 3 years are probably better than Hall's 3 years prior to going to Sydney. Again IIRC. I'll run a search to check shortly.

Have a look and come back to me on Hall's last 3 years. I think you might be surprised

 

[*PAF]

Have a look and come back to me on Hall's last 3 years. I think you might be surprised

Yep I was wrong in saying Tippett would have been better.

They are much the same. Similar age, similar number of disposals and similar number of goals. Tippett has more HO, Hall has more marks.
Both can play that Tredrea type role that suits playing in Sydney.

 

[Tex200]

He found the one or two where Tippett doesn't show up very well and they are the only ones that can be used.

How many Fricking AAs did BBB have before he went to Sydney for a big price? Zippo what a dud, and all clubs that were willing to pay big $ for him at the time were totally clueless.
Sydney were very lucky that it went against the odds and he turned out to be a half decent player hey?

Brilliant. So now you have disproved your own post and we know BBB was a better player than Tippett when he crossed over.

I have not at all restricted available evidence for you to prove your theory. I agree that tippett could potentially be a super star at Sydney. My point all along is what about now? You think he is one of the top 5 forwards in the AFL ? Really???

I'm all for being convinced .....Brown, Pavlich, Riewoldt J, Riewoldt N, Cloke, Walker, Franklin, Hawkins, Petrie, Roughead. There's a few decent ones around and they are all key forwards regardless if the are deep, shallow or in between.

Over to you.

 

[Elite Crow]

My two cents worth, because I know you've all been waiting.

I've spent the last 3 seasons defending Tippett to flog supporters of our cross town neighbours, so I'm not going to start now and bag the shit out of him. As a Crows player, Kurt was an imposing player whose sheer presence gave you hope not only during a given game but for the future that he would fulfil his potential and become a gun.

But, if you look at his performances objectively he has not ripped many games apart and quite often became a negative when he missed easy goals. Kurt has been paid handsomely for his size, his ability to play two key roles in the team and to keep him because if he fulfilled his potential he would be in the top 5 players in the comp. In the end, considering he left, we did not get our moneys worth.

Sydney have also valued the potential of Kurt and are paying him accordingly, because his past performances do not justify his salary. He fills a missing piece of their puzzle given his size and there are a lack of Kurt types in the league. This has driven up his price further. If Kurt doesn't fulfil his potential and he doesn't help them win another flag then they have paid too much, but if he does, then it was a brilliant piece of recruiting. Sydney have a great track record with recruits but it doesn't mean they will get it right every time, Bradshaw was an expensive gamble that did not pay off.

But Kurt now has to deliver, he has the tools and ability to do so. But that doesn't mean he will, and I hope like **** he doesn't and we win the flag to shove it up him and Sydney flogs but mostly to experience the feeling of winning a flag again.