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[Johnny Rutten]

How did Rucci miss this?

Head up his arse syndrome.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

So let's see if I can summarise here.....

We gave Kurt an "unofficial agreement" that we would try to get him to a club of his choice, and didn't include it on his contract.

It's illegal to enforce, and doing so would see us receive salary cap sanctions, and Kurt barred from playing. Meanwhile the AFL would face renewed scrutiny on it's laws regarding player movements.

Clearly no parties want this to occur. I suspect everyone will take a step backwards at this point and something might actually happen.


I really hope this doesn't end up biting us on the arse as hard as it may do.


I'd like to know just how unofficial this agreement was. Was it a "it's binding but we'll just whiteout that part on the contract" thing, or just a "hey, we pinky promise to get you home if you ask nicely" thing?

All good questions and the situation may not escalate.

But it would be strange for the club to approach the AFL if it did not see the agreement as somehow binding.

 

[eaglespremiers]

We could demand their 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks - given their abject refusal to trade any player of value and the manifest inadequacy of pick #23 on its own. I can't see any AFL mediator refusing that.

Was led here by the Quayle article (as will most posters).
Not going to comment on the article here.
I've got to be honest everything you write I read in the voice of James Earl Jones.
It is very eerie, but awesome.
Consider this line above but in the situation of Vader discussing plans with the commanders on the Death Star in A New Hope.

Very chilling.
Anyway hopefully this'll blow over for you guys.

 

[cmndstab]

So did we know we might get banned from the draft for the next couple of years?

Is that why we traded to pick up Crouch last year?

Clever.

And why we have seeked to minimise our selections this year.

At least, unlike Carlton, if we do get sanctioned we're not missing out on really high picks. Assuming we continue to perform well over the period of the sanction.

God forbid it actually comes to that.


Assuming this is what it reads like, the club is very foolish for having made this deal - but what does it say about Blucher and Tippett? Shouldn't a manager be protecting his player from agreeing to a deal that could see his player barred from playing? What culpability does Blucher have in agreeing to this deal?

 

[fairfooty]

I don't see how that Emma Quayle article in the Age is even newsworthy. The trade hasn't even gone through yet, how is that draft tampering.

Comparing the Crows to Carlton's salary cap breaches is completely ludicrous.

Actually no it's not. If true, they are serious attempts to get around the rules. In contract terms, it doesn't get much worse than making a side agreement outside an official contract where it's a clear attempt to beat the system. Unbelievable that they would be so stupid if its true. Time will tell. If it is, the Tippett trade is now the least of our problems - and his as a potential party to the agreement. See Hetty above...

 

[PaulyShore98]

"Sold our footy soul".....

I'm more in shock that Rowey was actually right about something for a change

 

[headache1]

I don't see how that Emma Quayle article in the Age is even newsworthy. The trade hasn't even gone through yet, how is that draft tampering.

Comparing the Crows to Carlton's salary cap breaches is completely ludicrous.

She just mentioned the possibilities that can occur from draft tampering and breaching the salary cap. I doubt we'd be dealt with as harshly as a team that was systematically cheating the salary cap to the tune of $1m a year, but it doesn't matter what the trade could end up being, it's the fact that the agreement was forged in the first place.

Edit - With what is at stake here, this just further proves how stupid Tippett's manager is. I can't believe he would be drawing attention to an agreement which could possibly see his client be banned from playing football. Absolute moron.

 

[Ravenous Crow]

How did Rucci miss this?

Too busy writing his 28th "JESSE WHITE IS STILL COMING TO ADELAIDE PLZ BELIEVE ME" story.

This whole situation is so messed up. Now Adelaide are seeking legal advice on their own agreement? Didn't they bother seeking legal consultation BEFORE they made it? And why wouldn't they do the trade to Brisbane last year if they understood the risk of him leaving out of contract?

 

[bjn1960]

How did RUCCI miss this?

Serendipidy

 

[Allefgib]

****ing KNEW it. Jesus H.

 

[mattymac]

Jesus that ain't gonna end well

 

[cmndstab]

What on earth were we thinking with a second-round draft pick? Assuming that detail is accurate. Surely back in 2009 we wouldn't have imagined any situation in which Kurt for a second round pick was going to be reasonable? Perhaps we were thinking he might want to go to a club who finished last and their first round pick would be #1 or something?

In any event, John Reid has some serious explaining to do. And does anyone else at the club wear responsibility for this?

 

[fairfooty]

Too busy writing his 28th "JESSE WHITE IS STILL COMING TO ADELAIDE PLZ BELIEVE ME" story.

This whole situation is so messed up. Now Adelaide are seeking legal advice on their own agreement? Didn't they bother seeking legal consultation BEFORE they made it? And why wouldn't they do the trade to Brisbane last year if they understood the risk of him leaving out of contract?

Good questions

 

[PykeDream]

And why we have seeked to minimise our selections this year.

At least, unlike Carlton, if we do get sanctioned we're not missing out on really high picks. Assuming we continue to perform well over the period of the sanction.

God forbid it actually comes to that.


Assuming this is what it reads like, the club is very foolish for having made this deal - but what does it say about Blucher and Tippett? Shouldn't a manager be protecting his player from agreeing to a deal that could see his player barred from playing? What culpability does Blucher have in agreeing to this deal?

I have a horrible feeling the brunt of the punishment will land on us, not Tippett or Velocity.

 

[Lawrst]

 

[cmndstab]

******* KNEW it. Jesus H.

Well picked mate

Sure, it wasn't in the contract as such, but making a side agreement is every bit as foolish.

I just keep hoping that it was the "we'll be together forever!" type of agreement people make, rather than something explicit and official with written down terms and the like.

 

[Vader]

Here's the promising bit..

There are potential ramifications for Tippett, too, whose role in this deal will now become heavily scrutinised. At worst, he could be deregistered if he is found to have subverted the rules. At best, his path to Sydney might just have become a whole lot tougher.

Karma's a bitch and I really do hope that he gets deregistered and/or barred from going to Sydney, with Blucher losing his AFL player manager license.

As for Adelaide.. reap the whirlwind. You did it to yourselves - and I expect any & all personnel involved in this underhanded effort to be sacked immediately. Reid is already gone, but my understanding is that Trigg was involved as well. I expect his resignation to be on Chapman's desk before the end of the month. The same goes for any others who are still connected to the club.

On the positive side, I can't see Adelaide being penalised to anywhere near the degree that Carlton was, for the following reasons:

• Adelaide themselves brought this to the attention of the AFL. It was not "found out" by some other source.
• The agreement actually works to Adelaide's detriment. There is no way that Adelaide can be seen to have gained by this agreement.

 

[Elite Crow]

Well **** me. I can see this going any number of ways:

The Crows lose draft picks, if thats the case then Tippett and his manager must also be punished.
The AFL fine the Crows heavily, dont actually impose draft penalties and force Sydney into a commercial trade

But Reid cant have acted alone. Someone still at the club, Im looking at you Triggy, had to have signed off on it. Which means that person must be sacked. If Rendell was sacked for bringing the club into disrepute, then this is far far worse.

 

[magtrev]

really, the fact we were even ever considering some of the utter shit it was obvious we were considering - to the point where over 90 percent of supporters would have rather get nothing - should have made it obvious in retrospect, heh.

 

[SE_Blue]

If you get done, I, and I am in no way trolling, feel nothing but complete sympathy for you. It's a terrible thing to go through, especially as a supporter

 

[Nesqua]

Actually no it's not. If true, they are serious attempts to get around the rules. In contract terms, it doesn't get much worse than making a side agreement outside an official contract where it's a clear attempt to beat the system. Unbelievable that they would be so stupid if its true. Time will tell. If it is, the Tippett trade is now the least of our problems - and his as a potential party to the agreement. See Hetty above...

Can see an upside to this, Kurt through being a prick, Blucher for being a sneaky arseh*le and Sydney for being all round w***ers will possibly incur the wrath of AFL and Krud boy might not be able to pay for anyone. See what happens when you try to be smartasses and won't play nice!!

Bad for Crows image I know, but how long can they sanction them for and do you think maybe they were canny enough to see this coming and sorted themselves accordingly??

 

[Allefgib]

Rowey was right - we sold our soul.



Can all those criticsing him, and those expecting the worst here, please step back, take you're foot out of your mouth (you'll probably need to pick up your jaw first.. I still am and I called it) and give the negative nellies a break in the future.



Triggy - on your bike.

 

[Vader]

I don't see how that Emma Quayle article in the Age is even newsworthy. The trade hasn't even gone through yet, how is that draft tampering.

Comparing the Crows to Carlton's salary cap breaches is completely ludicrous.

Are you serious? You can't see how this is newsworthy? You might want to re-read the articles, this time with your eyes open.

Adelaide's breaches don't come anywhere close to Carlton's in severity. However, as the most recent example of tampering with the AFL's equalisation policies, it's a perfectly legitimate place to start looking for precedents.

 

[Elite Crow]

Here's the promising bit..

Karma's a bitch and I really do hope that he gets deregistered and/or barred from going to Sydney, with Blucher losing his AFL player manager license.

As for Adelaide.. reap the whirlwind. You did it to yourselves - and I expect any & all personnel involved in this underhanded effort to be sacked immediately. Reid is already gone, but my understanding is that Trigg was involved as well. I expect his resignation to be on Chapman's desk before the end of the month. The same goes for any others who are still connected to the club.

On the positive side, I can't see Adelaide being penalised to anywhere near the degree that Carlton was, for the following reasons:

• Adelaide themselves brought this to the attention of the AFL. It was not "found out" by some other source.
• The agreement actually works to Adelaide's detriment. There is no way that Adelaide can be seen to have gained by this agreement.

We gained because we re-signed Kurt in 2009. If we followed the rules he may have walked then.

 

[magtrev]

Soooooooooo.

Last years pick 8 looking good right about now.