Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[Danair]

So the question is then, how does this effect negotiations tomorrow?

Do we end up better off for this in the short term? Can we now complete the Tippett trade without the burden of the agreement putting us in a better position?

Sure we might be screwed in the future, but now is the time to trade Tippett for the best player we can.

Trading for picks would be too risky as they may get taken.

Will another club even want Tippett now knowing he may not be available to play?

At least we have some actual news now i guess.

Your agreement was a second round pick, we are giving you a first round pick and Jesse White.

I admire Emma as a reporter but I think she's gone a bit over the top with this.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Can someone explain this to me - has the "tampering" part already occurred? That is, did getting him to sign in 2009 under the pretext of a deal that goes against AFL regulation qualify as tampering? Or is it only the deal in 2012 that counts as tampering, that is, trading him for well under his value because of the agreement?

I'm sure we'll be in trouble for trying to do the dirty and getting caught, but there's a big deal between that (especially given we came clean) and actually doing the dirty and then getting caught. Which side of the ledger are we on here?

Nope, it's 2009 that is where the tampering occurred.

Same as when Pyman (or Chalmers?) wrote to clubs saying that he wouldn't play for them if they drafted him. The letter is the tampering.

 

[cmndstab]

Maybe Sando wasnt aware of it and thought what the ****, you are not doing that trade.

Surely somebody would have brought him up to speed? And if I were him and somebody told me about the deal I'd be saying, **** no, I'm not having any of that shit. Get him the hell out of here right now and render that deal redundant.

The issue is Stabby is having an agreement on the side and trying to cheat the system. Its not draft tampering because it should be trade tampering. Agreeing to help a player get to the club of his choice shouldnt be a crime, but hiding the agreement is. But what an absolute prick Tippett and his manager are that they would have demanded it in writing in the first place.

Thank **** weve got **** all picks this year. And hopefully, it stops Kurt getting to Sydney.

Oh, I agree that it's the main deal. I just have a million questions now - and I fear I won't get answers to any of them.

I just can't express how disappointed I am in the people that have made this happen.

 

[Elite Crow]

I know a few people getting less sleep than us tonight, Kurt, his manager, Triggy, Harper and Rucci(crying that he missed the story of the decade)

 

[magtrev]

Maybe because by doing so his contract would be transferred to the Lions, clause and all, therefore exposing the side deal?

Side deal wasn't in the contract

 

[Hank93]

Well tomorrow is going to mighty interesting when people wake up to read this huge development.

Massive couple of days coming up for the Adelaide Football Club. If true, this is the darkest hour in the clubs history.

 

[Draft Bored]

I might have read the articles wrong, but it sounded to me like we informed the AFL before Tippett's party did. In fact, all the article seems to imply is that Tippett's party has a copy of the documents as well, not that they've even spoken to the AFL.

Yeah I agree, it sounds like the AFC are trying to work out what they can legally do.

It's possible this will end all trading for Tippett and he will go straight into the PSD or national draft or be banned.

 

[Allefgib]

And I was thinking earlier of quoting that video where he talks about honouring a signed agreement. I thought.. see see he's hinting at the club, I honour my agreement you honour yours.

I'm ****ing sick that I was right. Goddamnit.

 

[PykeDream]

How old do you think Hickey is?

Trading a first round pick who may or may not end up a decent player for a young ruckman you've seen enough of to form an opinion is smart IMO.

Fair enough but doing two very similar trades in the one period trade period for what could be considered overs, seems a bit unnecessary when the draft or later picks could ably help them pick up a reserve ruck and third tall forward. Just think the Saints have been a bit sucked in by the bidding wars over Hickey and Lee.

 

[cmndstab]

Nope, it's 2009 that is where the tampering occurred.

Same as when Pyman (or Chalmers?) wrote to clubs saying that he wouldn't play for them if they drafted him. The letter is the tampering.

That was specifically tampering with the present draft, though. In our case we were agreeing to tamper with a future draft period.

Does the agreement to tamper in the future constitute tampering? Or is it only when that agreement is exercised that the tampering actually occurs?

 

[mattymac]

Makes Tippet even more of an arseh*le imo knowing he was gonna bring this shitstorm down on us after all we did for him. Why couldn't he just friggin go home the mercenary flogtard

 

[Allefgib]

Also - all those people bagging Caro for her '2nd round pick' story. Go and apologise.

 

[Elite Crow]

Your agreement was a second round pick, we are giving you a first round pick and Jesse White.

I admire Emma as a reporter but I think she's gone a bit over the top with this.

But thats not a commercial deal, everyone has said we are being bent over. She said it even raised eyebrows in the AFL.

 

[Rave Slave]

If Jenny comes on here and defends this then I won't be held responsible for my actions.

 

[NTRabbit]

It's the end of Trigg in any case, probably Noble as well.

 

[fairfooty]

WHAT THE ****! Seriously WHAT THE ****! Everyone and anyone associated needs to be removed from our football club immediately. What a fking joke. If we have to wear this and cop a punishment then that knob better be deregistered as a player. Same for Blucher.

I need a panadol.

I need more than a bl**dy panadol. If this is true, I cannot believe the club would be so so stupid!!!! Does not one person in that club have any inkling of good recruitment practice, AFL rules, contract management and contract/employment law? And morivaation for doing it is no excuse your worship. Now I've really lost it. What the hell is wrong with them. If they managed their finances the way they've obviously managed their people the club would be broke. This is beyond amateur hour. It's time someone who actually knows what they are doing walked in as those responsible walk out. As per bl**dy usual make sure your finances will stand up to scrutiny but b*gger your HR. this makes me so so angry. And again what message does this send to our playing group? What a bl**dy mess... If its true. No doubt well find out soon enough if it is

 

[magtrev]

Also - all those people bagging Caro for her '2nd round pick' story. Go and apologise.

lol was just thinking that, oops!

 

[Schulzycrow]

Surely we were aware of this situation last year. How could we possibly have turned down pick 8, knowing that this was a major possibility to blow up in our faces next year?

We surely would have expected he was going to Gold Coast, in which case the offer from them, a second round pick, would have been even worse than the 23 + White offer we've all cried foul at this year. Not trading him last year, particularly when it looked like we were a while off challenging for a premiership, is absurdly bad risk/benefit analysis.

It's so absurd that it makes me wonder if the "second round pick" thing is bullshit - but clearly there was something there, otherwise it wasn't draft tampering at all. There's nothing wrong with promising to get him to a club of his choice, that happens all the time. It's agreeing to do it for a prearranged value that is the problem.

Thats what bugs me. If this was the case why not ship him to Brissy last year and avoid all the BS now.
Both Tippett and Blucher are morons.
Wasn't the Caro story about this being in his contract not a secret pinky promise.

 

[cmndstab]

Maybe because by doing so his contract would be transferred to the Lions, clause and all, therefore exposing the side deal?

The clause wasn't in the contract, that's the problem. It was all a side agreement between Kurt's party and the Crows, and would have ceased to have any relevance after he had left.

I can't believe we did this underhanded deal, but I'm even more flabbergasted that we didn't wash our hands of it when he had the chance, even with a decent deal on the table at the time!

 

[Nesqua]

I know a few people getting less sleep than us tonight, Kurt, his manager, Triggy, Harper and Rucci(crying that he missed the story of the decade)

Love to say to Rucci, see what happens when you actually do some investigating

 

[PykeDream]

To answer my own question, it looks like it (well, he was with Velocity in 2007 anyway):

http://www.velocitysports.com.au/default.asp?PageID=493

Yeah pretty sure he's managed Tippett from day dot (in terms of Aussie Rules).

 

[Membling]

That was specifically tampering with the present draft, though. In our case we were agreeing to tamper with a future draft period.

Does the agreement to tamper in the future constitute tampering? Or is it only when that agreement is exercised that the tampering actually occurs?

Depends if the afl constitute that the clause helped you sign tippett in 09.

 

[whatboutbob]

Surely AFGM wont be able to keep away now

Still no sign of a pre-signed contract with the Suns though...

 

[Nesqua]

Yeah pretty sure he's managed Tippett from day dot.

Probably not anymore though!

 

[Mighty Chinook]

I still don't see how this amounts to draft tampering. Has anyone actually read the rules relating to draft tampering, or are we all just crying foul over a article written by some interstate journo trying to sell some papers? Are these rules actually in writing, or is it assessed on a case by case basis?

All we did in 2009, it seems, is agree to let Kurt go to the club of his choice when the contract expired (as he has now requested) for a second-round pick. I assume the intent from both parties with the second round pick was to facilitate a smooth trade between the Crows and the club of choice, without forcing Kurt's chosen club to scramble for a suitable pick. In 2009 and 2012, this arrangement is/was detrimental to the Crows.

Carlton was cheating by breaching it's salary cap to keep and attract good players to the club. Carlton and Adelaide should not even be mentioned in the same sentence, or paragraph.

The lawyers are probably pouring over this entire arrangement to determine whether this 'side agreement' is legally binding. No doubt the media will beat this story to death, but until I see some the rules re draft tampering, I will rest easy tonight.