Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[Vader]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...emiership-points/story-e6freck3-1226505640005

What a sensationalist Moo

As I stated in the other thread.. Rucci has finally gotten around to doing what he should have done 2 weeks ago - reading the Player Rules document, to see what the AFL's rules actually say about the alleged crimes.

What he's done here (and in the equivalent report on KT's future) is to quote the maximum possible penalty. Given the nature of the crime, there is no chance of Adelaide or KT facing the maximum penalty - not even close to it.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

As I stated in the other thread.. Rucci has finally gotten around to doing what he should have done 2 weeks ago - reading the Player Rules document, to see what the AFL's rules actually say about the alleged crimes.

What he's done here (and in the equivalent report on KT's future) is to quote the maximum possible penalty. Given the nature of the crime, there is no chance of Adelaide or KT facing the maximum penalty - not even close to it.

That's a bit generous. Rumour has it that he had a work experience student read the rules and prepare the article for him. It did seem marginally more accurate than his usual stuff.

 

[MattyB_76]

What additional information would you like to see? That quote (and the form on the website) deals with the nominations from the player to the nomination form (either total amount over X years, or specific amounts in specific years), and how the nominated amount is automatically included in the Contract of Service.

How about this? The AFLPA Rules and Regs. Rule 10 deals with Total Player Payments.
http://www.aflpa.com.au/images/uploads/AFL_Player_Rules_-_March_2011.pdf


However, Rule 4.5.2 is the relevant one here:

4.5.2 Nominated Football Payments
4.5.2.1 Offer and acceptance
(a) A Player, (other than a first year draft choice Player or such a Player in his second year), may specify in the nomination lodged pursuant to Rule 4.4.3 the Football Payments which he will require if he is selected at a Draft Selection Meeting.
(b) By so specifying the Football Payments he will require, the Player shall be taken to have made an offer to the Club which selects him at a Draft Selection Meeting, to accept employment in return for the Football Payments so specified.
(c) The Club which selects a Player who has specified the Football Payments which he will require shall be deemed to have accepted the offer set out in (b) above. (d) Immediately following the Draft Selection Meeting, the Player and the Club to whom (c) above applies, shall execute a Contract of Service providing for the Football Payments specified by the Player in accordance with (a) above.
(e) If a Player nominates his Football Payments he must do so for a minimum period of two years.

4.5.2.2 Payments actually paid
For the purposes of the Total Player Payment provisions contained in these Rules, the Football Payments nominated under Rule 4.5.2.1 (whether or not such payments are made) shall be treated as Football Payments of the Club which drafted the Player for the period specified by the Player in the Nomination Form unless the payments actually paid to the Player exceed the amount set out in the Nomination Form in which case such greater amount shall be treated as Football Payments for the purposes of the Club's Total Player Payments.

 

[MRB37]

It's much worse in the US - they have exchange rate issues (Canada) and the issue of state income taxes - or in the case on NYC, state AND city income taxes. And yet no one gets allowances there. If anything, the expensive cities are that way because they're more desirable places to live.

Yep, but its always hard to compare Australian sports with US sports since in like the NBA for example the minimum salary is like $900,000, which would be a top end AFL salary and the average salary is about $4 million. But then that probably goes back to the CoL and how it should only be used to add $ to guys who are making below say $150,000.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

We know that Brisbane's CEO (?) stated that they offered around $750k per year and didn't come close to matching Sydney's offer. Thus the conclusion that Sydney offered $1M per year, or very close to it.

We know that Ireland (Sydney's CEO) stated that his salary in 2013 would be less than what Adelaide offered, once again reported to be around the $750k mark.

We know that Goodes, Bolton and several other high profile players are expected to retire in 2013, thus freeing up a large proportion of Sydney's salary cap.

So.. if he's on roughly $1M per year, over the 4-year contract - and the first year's salary is less than $750k, then the contract must be backloaded to the extent that he's earning well over $1M in the latter years of the contract.

i dont know why poeple have trouble grasping this

 

[Dr B]

Yep, but its always hard to compare Australian sports with US sports since in like the NBA for example the minimum salary is like $900,000, which would be a top end AFL salary and the average salary is about $4 million. But then that probably goes back to the CoL and how it should only be used to add $ to guys who are making below say $150,000.

That seems to back up my argument that 800 + 800 +1.2 +1.2 would not be 1.0 +1.0 +1.2 + 1.2

Sorry wrong quote

 

[Dr B]

We know that Brisbane's CEO (?) stated that they offered around $750k per year and didn't come close to matching Sydney's offer. Thus the conclusion that Sydney offered $1M per year, or very close to it.

We know that Ireland (Sydney's CEO) stated that his salary in 2013 would be less than what Adelaide offered, once again reported to be around the $750k mark.

We know that Goodes, Bolton and several other high profile players are expected to retire in 2013, thus freeing up a large proportion of Sydney's salary cap.

So.. if he's on roughly $1M per year, over the 4-year contract - and the first year's salary is less than $750k, then the contract must be backloaded to the extent that he's earning well over $1M in the latter years of the contract.

I know what you are saying , but way too much guessing for me.

 

[Dr B]

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[cmndstab]

The only parts that are guessing is that our offer was $750K, and that the "not nearly enough" discrepancy is $250K.

Everything else is pretty much watertight.

 

[xchadders]

my, this thread has slowed.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

The only parts that are guessing is that our offer was $750K, and that the "not nearly enough" discrepancy is $250K.

Everything else is pretty much watertight.

The $4mil over 4 years figure didnt come out of nowhere either, wasnt that originally mentioned by Barrett?

 

[jenny61_99]

my, this thread has slowed.

Was just about to say the same thing!

 

[PaulyShore98]

my, this thread has slowed.

I think everyone has developed a case of 'chronic Tippett fatigue syndrome' and we all need some down time to allow the RSI in our mouse fingers to resolve.

 

[johnnypanther]

my, this thread has slowed.

We all needed some sleep.

the next surge will come when the AFL announces their findings i guess

 

[Roo Lives Again]

It doesn't quite work that way. Tippett gets to nominate his contract conditions before the draft. So he might say he'll only accept an offer of at least $750k/year, for a minimum of four years. Then, any club that wants to take him must agree to those terms.

Obviously it's possible to price yourself entirely out of the market, so Tippett would want to be pretty sure he's not asking for a price Sydney aren't willing to pay. But if Sydney make their offer too low, somebody else might be willing to step in and scoop him up.

Put simply, if Sydney decide they're only willing to pay him a modest salary, they won't get him.

Sydney and Tippett will be working hand in hand to ensure they get the price right...Sydney will max out their cap and ell Kurt to nominate whatever that amount is...making sure it's a big big offer to dissuade other teams...the thing is sheeds wants to heck over the hometown rival swans and will be doing his best to get him....c'mon sheeds I love u!!!!

 

[1970crow]

my, this thread has slowed.

Condiment discussion to fire things up?

 

[jenny61_99]

Condiment discussion to fire things up?

Dijon or normal mustard?

 

[WAG]

my, this thread has slowed.

Soooooo...what do you think about sauce?



EDIT: Beaten by this <------------------> much!

 

[1970crow]

Sydney and Tippett will be working hand in hand to ensure they get the price right...Sydney will max out their cap and ell Kurt to nominate whatever that amount is...making sure it's a big big offer to dissuade other teams...the thing is sheeds wants to heck over the hometown rival swans and will be doing his best to get him....c'mon sheeds I love u!!!!

I was going to post this on the swans board but decided against it.

I reckon they are working feverishly behind the scenes to do a Luke ball. They'll be trying to moving as much cap back as they can so kurt can nominate 2 years at $2.4m. Of course there will need to be a handshake agreement where kurt will play last couple of years at $800k.

Now, don't pass this over to their board. I'm a damn sight more popular there than here. They even like my dog over there.

 

[1970crow]

Soooooo...what do you think about sauce?



EDIT: Beaten by this <------------------> much!

That's what you get for having a life.

 

[dude316]

I just dropped by to see if Slippery Pete has dropped by to see if Steven Trigg was still the CEO.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

I was going to post this on the swans board but decided against it.

I reckon they are working feverishly behind the scenes to do a Luke ball. They'll be trying to moving as much cap back as they can so kurt can nominate 2 years at $2.4m. Of course there will need to be a handshake agreement where kurt will play last couple of years at $800k.

Now, don't pass this over to their board. I'm a damn sight more popular there than here. They even like my dog over there.

Trouble with the Tippetts is they seem to need their handshakes in writing. i can only hope he is that dumb.

Sheedy could also have no intention of picking tippett and coming out after they get him in the draft for 2.4mil over 2 years to point this out would also be a marketing win for GWS.

$2.4mil/2 years would have a nice effect on the playing group too, and i daresay their COL would be put under the microscope if they can find that much room after a premiership

 

[finn]

10k per player living in Sydney would do it. That equals about 1/2 of what they are getting at the moment.

All they need to do is administer the CoL from AFL House. Sydney should still need to meet the minimum 95% of the standard salary cap for established clubs then the AFL adds 9.8% to each contract individually.

 

[macca23]

All they need to do is administer the CoL from AFL House. Sydney should still need to meet the minimum 95% of the standard salary cap for established clubs then the AFL adds 9.8% to each contract individually.

That makes sense. Very good sense IMO.

Sydney's involvement in Tippettgate could never have happened if that was the case, as what they are offering Tippett would have to be spread across the players' salaries - as it was meant to be.

 

[Geoffa32]

All they need to do is administer the CoL from AFL House. Sydney should still need to meet the minimum 95% of the standard salary cap for established clubs then the AFL adds 9.8% to each contract individually.

Such a simple solution.