Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[dbcrow]

Here's my take, and what I think has happened / will happen.

The Crows wouldn't have done this completely off their own bat. They've consulted with the AFL and the AFL have agreed that this will be their penalty for the "gentleman's agreement". They've given us a choice of this draft or next year's draft, and we've decided on this one.

The meeting on the 30th of November will be to determine the legality of the 3rd party agreements. Once they've determined that we have no case to answer (which I hope we don't ), they'll annouce that the draft picks that we've already sacrificed (plus a potential fine) is the only penalty we'll received.

Rose coloured glasses? Maybe.

 

[xchadders]

who else is following this fiasco in two threads now?

 

[jenny61_99]

The media release said there were things happening behind the scenes. it isn't too hard to imagine as someone suggested earlier that the afl don't want this hearing. It opens up a whole can of worms for them. I'd imagine our lawyers are not making it easy.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The media release said there were things happening behind the scenes. it isn't too hard to imagine as someone suggested earlier that the afl don't want this hearing. It opens up a whole can of worms for them. I'd imagine our lawyers are not making it easy.

Good to see us engineering a backroom deal to get us out of the last backroom deal we made.

Whether it is us or the AFL pulling the strings, this is a "make it up as you go" shambles.

A plea bargain... so much for our protestations of innocence

 

[Bluesince62]

If the AFL have organised this deal prior to the hearing, then what is happening on Nov 30?
(moreso).

Only AFC are trying to settle. Charges against Trigg, Reid, Harper (probably withdrawn) and Tippett still to be heard. Maybe 3rd party but IMO they will also be withdrawn

 

[mulz]

obviously done in conjunction with the afl, you cant hand out your own penalty.

one thing is for certain, GUILTY!

no more hanging around trigg, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

I don't think this deal has anything to do with protecting the administrators.

Jenny believed that you gave me a sound argument that Adelaide were completely innocent and simply a scapegoat of the media a few days ago. If so why the plea bargain and attempt to engineer a lighter penalty?

 

[skoobydoo]

I'm not happy with the way this sounds though. It sounds to me like we've done yet another dodgy deal to try to protect the reputations of our administrators, rather than in the best interests of the club. But who knows.

I'm hoping our lawyers have enlightened the AFL to the real frailty of their 'house of cards' (as someone put it...forgive my lack of credit) and that as with all protracted forays into law, real damage could occur which continues with suits well into the future. Also as much as Vlad and his AFL must be seen as the unequivical wielders of the big football stick, they would also want to come to a speedy, tidy conclusion to the Tippett saga, and proactive 'plea bargaining' will suit their purpose just fine. This way further damage can be lessened, particularly to the AFC, and I hope it finally pans out that way. The Club survives relatively unscathed for its future as a successful branch of the AFL. What additional penalties are visited on the individuals concerned, will resound in the football world, as the enforcers would want to happen, and be seen to happen, will be very interesting.
I see these manoueveres as the way our legal eagles are instructing us, but your point re reputations is valid.

 

[macca23]

Here's my take, and what I think has happened / will happen.

The Crows wouldn't have done this completely off their own bat. They've consulted with the AFL and the AFL have agreed that this will be their penalty for the "gentleman's agreement". They've given us a choice of this draft or next year's draft, and we've decided on this one.

The meeting on the 30th of November will be to determine the legality of the 3rd party agreements. Once they've determined that we have no case to answer (which I hope we don't ), they'll annouce that the draft picks that we've already sacrificed (plus a potential fine) is the only penalty we'll received.

Rose coloured glasses? Maybe.

I think you're mainly on the right track, in that the loss of participation in the first 3 rounds (our first 2 draft picks) is part of a negotiated settlement with the AFL. you may well be right that they gave us a choice in which year to lose them and we took this year. If it hasn't already been done, there will also be negotiated agreement on a fine.

The part that I disagree on is in respect of the 3rd party agreements. I would have thought that we would have had dismisssed the charges re the 3rd party agreements other than the guarantee aspect, which is still relatively minor considering that it wasn't invoked and we would have declared the payment id we did.

The AFL will recommend the negotiated penalties to the AFL Commission (who have already endorsed the draft order changes) who are more than likely to accept the recommendations.

If we get out of it without any draft losses next year, then we will have done reasonably well, considering that we have admitted during the draft that we were guilty of certain offences.

 

[jenny61_99]

Jenny believed that you gave me a sound argument that Adelaide were completely innocent and simply a scapegoat of the media a few days ago. If so why the plea bargain and attempt to engineer a lighter penalty?

No, I never said completely innocent. We admitted there was an issue (tippetts agreement) and would wear the punishment. After everything that has gone down in the past weeks, we were worried the punishment wouldn't fit the crime. If I recall most were anticipating missing the next three or four drafts and a massive fine. Rooch even suggested we'd be stripped of premiership points! That's why the lawyers were brought in I suspect. To ensure the afl saw the issues for what they were. The issues relating to the TPPs are technical breaches. We haven't broken the salary cap.

 

[Elite Crow]

If we lose draft picks next year as well then this deal stinks, if we don't then we've made the best of a bad situation.

 

[Sunshine Saint]

No, I never said completely innocent. We admitted there was an issue (tippetts agreement) and would wear the punishment. After everything that has gone down in the past weeks, we were worried the punishment wouldn't fit the crime. If I recall most were anticipating missing the next three or four drafts and a massive fine. Rooch even suggested we'd be stripped of premiership points! That's why the lawyers were brought in I suspect. To ensure the afl saw the issues for what they were. The issues relating to the TPPs are technical breaches. We haven't broken the salary cap.

A technical breach ha ha. For which you have already willingly handed back the first two draft picks in this years draft. Surely even you at this stage, must admit that:

- yes we stuffed up and attempted to subvert the payments limit with undeclared payments to Tippett

- you had a undeclared contract clause guaranteeing him ease of movement to another club and possible extra monies

- Tippett is a douche bag, that you should have not pandered to for so long and traded to either Brisbane or Gold Coast and got the maximum benefit from him, rather than letting him affect your club so dramatically

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Given that we have Crouch in the bank, if the surrendering of this years picks is designed to contain our punishment to a fine and loss of 2012 picks only I would say where do we sign

If this is the case let's take the black eye, accept Triggy's resignation, restructure the administration and let's move on quickly to season 2013

agreed

However we keep saying Crouch is in this years draft ....he's not, it was last years compensation pick for Bock

Think we're deluding ourselves, or trying to rationalise the pain, by saying Crouch is from this years draft,, so the loss of other picks is not as bad .....don't agree

Too much talent has left this club in last 3 years ......and not enough incoming

 

[jenny61_99]

A technical breach ha ha. For which you have already willingly handed back the first two draft picks in this years draft. Surely even you at this stage, must admit that:

- yes we stuffed up and attempted to subvert the payments limit with undeclared payments to Tippett

- you had a undeclared contract clause guaranteeing him ease of movement to another club and possible extra monies

- Tippett is a douche bag, that you should have not pandered to for so long and traded to either Brisbane or Gold Coast and got the maximum benefit from him, rather than letting him affect your club so dramatically

Actually I believe this negotiated penalty has got nothing to do with payments. I think it's more for the agreement. I can't see how guaranteeing him ease of movement is any different to what we do every year when a player wants to be traded. Maric for example wanted to go to Richmond, so we negotiated a trade for him to Richmond. Gunston named hawthorn as the club he wanted to go to, so we negotiated a trade with hawthorn. I can't see how guaranteeing tippet ease of movement to a club of his choice is any different?

In hindsight, I think we all agree with your final point that given the type of person Tippett has turned out to be, we should never have done everything we did to keep him.

 

[Lawrst]

Do people think our management, on consultation with their lawyers would do this without some sort of Agreement with the AFL?

I know they **** a lot of things up, but come on.

 

[juzzo]

David Noble coming up if you can stand to listen to 5AA.

 

[Moonwatcher]

Do people think our management, on consultation with their lawyers would do this without some sort of Agreement with the AFL?

I know they **** a lot of things up, but come on.

I know what you are saying but I didn't think our management would do anything that has transpired in the last 3 years.

 

[juzzo]

lolwut Cornes thinks someone should pick up Surjan.

 

[amer]

Can only hope there is something competent going on behind the scenes.

What a fearsome club the AFC is.

 

[Stripple]

Again, wait until you hear all the facts before you decide whether Trigg must go or not.

Jenny regardless of the final outcome under Triggs stewardship we have lost Tippett for nothing, pick 20 and pick 54.

Short of us coming out innocent and the AFL giving us compo picks in next years draft snaring us Aish I can't see a way where trigg should keep his position, I'm sorry but that's how I see it.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Anyone that thought this story had a happy ending was fooling themselves.

I was fairly shocked with the news this afternoon, really did not see it coming. Still not sure I'm particularly comfortable with it.

I can only hope that the 3rd party charges are going to disappear and our draft tampering charge will be deemed minor, incurring a modest fine.

Losing Tippet for nothing, 2 draft picks and a modest fine given the situation we were staring down a week ago probably doesn't look too diabolical. It is certainly not a good outcome though.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Can only hope there is something competent going on behind the scenes.

What a fearsome club the AFC is.

Have you decided who you are following next year yet?

 

[relapse]

Anyone else suspect that we are trying to publicly lessen the blow by taking a punishment now of our own volition so when the AFL finally hands down its punishment that it won't look as harsh ?

I have no doubt that the club is in PR mode and will try and do what they can to lessen the public backlash, I also expect "Mr Untenable" Steven Trigg to stay on as the club's CEO so he can continue to revel in his own mediocrity.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Having said all of that, anyone who voted to send Tippett to the PSD rather than accept pick 20 really has no right to be complaining about losing Tiprat for nothing.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Over the past 2 years, we have lost Bock, Davis, Gunston and now Tippett for basically Brad Crouch, Sam Kerridge, Josh Jenkins and Luke Brown.

Someone has to start questioning the decisions we are making with our players.