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Which AFC deserter were/are you most salty towards?

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dayton said:
You are kidding yourself if you think the supporter base is going to take a hit. I signed up for the first time because of this and our awesome young team. I've never paid attention in the offseason or supported the team more then watching them on TV.

And moving to Adelaide oval... yeah we sure are going to lack support there...

The pessimists in this thread need to move on. It's done. Shut up or be positive because the players and the team need our support. The more negative you are about this, the more negative it looks. Realistically it's not that bad. Yes it's bad but you are turning it into a cancer. The media has moved on, other team's supporters have moved on and now you need to do the same or seriously take your membership, tear it up and support another South Australian team.
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You're seriously telling people who have been members of this club since its inception that they should go and support another team if they're unhappy with recent events, and how the club has dealt with said events, when you've just decided to sign up for the first time ever?

Unbelievable.
 
Here's a quote which I think appropriately sums up the AFC organization and Steven Triggs position at the present time: "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them" - Albert Einstein.
 
boffo said:
I've now had time to listen to the Chapman interviews on 5AA breakfast, 891 breakfast and Chapman and Trigg on 5AA drive time. Plus we have feedback from members who Chappie has phoned.

A few observations:

1. Chappie is showing much over-due respect to supporters. He could bunker down and not bother communicating with members, so full marks for taking the time to put himself about. So far so good.

2. However, this is being done after making the decision to retain Trigg...so I can't help but think the club doesn't really care about our thoughts but is only worried about losing members.

3. On air, Chappie is not arrogant or aggressive; he is conciliatory. He usually accepts some part of the criticism implied in a question in a very reasonable and disarming way but.... then adds some points that are not really answering the question asked but skillfully redirect the questioner's thinking. There are no short direct answers, he is really very good, he keeps talking so there are no quick follow-up questions. All this is what you would expect from someone who makes a living from winning people's confidence.

4. However, when you analyse what he has actually said there is often a lot of spin. For example, there was a question on the 891 breakfast show about the impact on the club of the $300,000 fine and lawyers' fees. Chappie said it won't be paid with 'members or sponsors money', it will be paid from 'accumulated reserves from commercial ventures' (or words to that effect). This definitely sounds like spin to me. Surely, it's all money the club won't be able to use for a better purpose, money we have wasted defending incompetent management. I found it insulting that he would think he could get away with this spin so members don't feel their membership fees are being used to pay lawyers and the fine.

5. On another occasion Chappie said 'I've got every player saying keep Triggy'. Really Rob, you've spoken to every player, previously you named just three players who had told you they wanted to retain Trigg.

6. As I said, kudos to him for being accessible to members, even though belatedly, but I can't help but think he is just very good at polishing a turd......but it's still a turd.

Despite your work trying to win us sceptics back Rob, I am still not happy. You had the chance to move the club on, to make a fresh start with new leadership and you stuck with the status quo.

As for Triggy's interview on 5AA, I was disappointed with his self-justifying demeanour. Incredibly, at one point he said he didn't sack Rendell, 'he resigned', and then a minute later said it was a 'really hard thing to do'. Wait, didn't you just say he resigned, and then you say it was hard to sack him. WTF?

Come on Triggy, you've had a good go, please step aside for the good of the club.
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Very well thought out and written post, Boffo. Just to show how much in denial and how blind Trigg and his delusional administrative mates are, Trigg, supported by his chairperson, said words to the effect that he was staying on for the good of the club and would do what is for the best of the club. He only has the best interests of the club at heart etc. This of course from men who have proven that they cannot be trusted. If Trigg and co really had the club at heart, Trigg would be cleaning out his office desk and handing back the keys to the office. It is time for some with testosterone and integrety to tapp him on the shoulder as apparently Rendell was (smashed) on the shoulder. Then and only then would he begin to know the meaning of honour and hold his head up high.

In the 5aa interview where he was questioned by a couple more of the South Australian boys club, I noticed the repeated attempts to downplay what they did as 'mistakes'. These weren't inadvertant mistakes but a deliberate attempt to secure the services of a player by breaking the rules. It is time to say 'we were wrong', not we made a little mistake...sorry, spilt the milk on the bench...lets quickly move on, I'll get the dishcloth and we will be more careful. The AFC has not even begun to own this and deal with it.
 
macca23 said:
I won't speak for others and I'd be interested in their comments, but clearly I "mix" with 2 diametrically opposed groups of supporters.


It would be fair to say that most posters on Adelaide's BigFooty Board see what has happened as very significant in the life of the club. They care, one way or the other and want to have their say either just here or elsewhere. A handful have stated that they won't be renewing their membership, which is their right, though I cannot fathom any semblance of common sense or logic in the one that says he is going to nominate that he is a Port supporter


In direct contrast, in the real world, the average Adelaide supporter, who doesn't blog on BigFooty isn't overly interested in this case at all or the reasons why it happened. I've discussed the Tippett saga with many such supporters I haven't spoken to one such supporter that is going to chuck in their membership.


With Adelaide Oval on the horizon, I think there's a good chance that we'll have more members, not less, because it helps gets them to be a member at Adelaide Oval.

The sponsors have stood fat and our supporters are sticking as well. I don't think there will be very much collateral damage at all resulting from the offences for which we were found guillty.
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Good points Macca, we do tend to whip ourselves into a frenzy over things on BF. I have plenty of friends that really don't care that much about all of this. If anything its the Port supporters that seem more interested.:confused:
 

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dazz69au said:
So we would pay them extra for the good job they did in getting the club sanctions and them getting the suspensions in the first place? :eek:
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The board don't think they have done a bad enough job not to be there anymore.
 
Cap said:
the problem with stingers attitude is it completely removes accountability of the board/CEO

The other problems is simply the club doesn't care what we think - which is the opposite of what it should do.
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Chapman does, but I can see no sign that Trigg cares or that it even registers with him. Gloom.
 
boffo said:
I've now had time to listen to the Chapman interviews on 5AA breakfast, 891 breakfast and Chapman and Trigg on 5AA drive time. Plus we have feedback from members who Chappie has phoned.


As for Triggy's interview on 5AA, I was disappointed with his self-justifying demeanour. Incredibly, at one point he said he didn't sack Rendell, 'he resigned', and then a minute later said it was a 'really hard thing to do'. Wait, didn't you just say he resigned, and then you say it was hard to sack him. WTF?

Come on Triggy, you've had a good go, please step aside for the good of the club.
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Wish I'da said that!
 
Big future said:
In the 5aa interview where he was questioned by a couple more of the South Australian boys club, I noticed the repeated attempts to downplay what they did as 'mistakes'. These weren't inadvertant mistakes but a deliberate attempt to secure the services of a player by breaking the rules. It is time to say 'we were wrong', not we made a little mistake...sorry, spilt the milk on the bench...lets quickly move on, I'll get the dishcloth and we will be more careful. The AFC has not even begun to own this and deal with it.
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Look, I don't disagree that Triggy could be a little more contrite in his media dealings.

However, lets not get all high and mighty about this. I think if you surveyed the other 17 club CEOs anonymously, you'd find that most think the only thing we did wrong was put the bloody thing in writing. In the real world of AFL player management, what we are guilty of is stupidity. Im not terribly unhappy that our management went to rule bending lengths to keep a player, Im more unhappy with the dumb way they went about it.

If the AFL are truly interested in preserving the integrity of the TPP, they need to provide an amnesty for the clubs to get their houses in order, then do a club by club audit. As it stands, we are now behind the 8 ball, because we need to be squeaky clean.
 
So if I'm following, some people don't mind we have been butt ****ed thanks to trigg because we can take it??
 

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Reading this its obvious there are a lot of pissed off fans here (understandably).

My big suggestion is don't take it out on the club by cutting your memberships. This doesn't hurt Trigg or Chapman, but your club. There are better ways to make a protest against the club that don't hurt it in a way that matters, but still make your voice heard.

I know some kill their membership, but make a donation to the club for the same value (with it accompanied by a written explanation for this). Workable if you only go 1-2 a year, but if you go to all 11 its an expensive protest. Some suggest a boycott of a specific game, but off memory I cannot every think of when this has worked.

Having seen how other club fans have reacted to this stuff in the past, my suggestion would be give Chappy/Trigg until just before the NAB Cup to answer all your currently unanswered questions. If you don't get the answers/action you want, I'd go down the petition path. Sure you don't have voting rights, but if you lob up with 10-20k signatures backing a "vote of no confidence in the board and CEO", its hard for the Crows/5AA/etc to ignore that. Big suggestion though is don't go the net option. Do it using pen and paper, with every signature accompanied by the persons membership number. This makes it much more genuine, and harder for people to fob off as a doctored internet forum worth squat. Also I know from the RFC experience, when you have a large number of people in club colours collecting signatures at a game, if its getting traction it gets media attention - hard for the club to ignore.

Before this fiasco, Trigg was made to sound like one of the main contenders to take over from Vlad (with Cook the other), so he has a lot of respect here in Vic. TBH the halo has only started getting really tarnished with the last few days of "we pleaded guilty but we didn't cheat and we only did it because the fans put us under pressure" (not his words I know, but this is how he's come across here). I hope Trigg turns it around, and gives you lot what you need to have him redeem himself. I actually like the idea of making him and the others fix up the mess they created. That being said, if you guys have lost faith in the admin, don't waste time bitching - get them out before your club suffers any more.
 
macca23 said:
I won't speak for others and I'd be interested in their comments, but clearly I "mix" with 2 diametrically opposed groups of supporters.


It would be fair to say that most posters on Adelaide's BigFooty Board see what has happened as very significant in the life of the club. They care, one way or the other and want to have their say either just here or elsewhere. A handful have stated that they won't be renewing their membership, which is their right, though I cannot fathom any semblance of common sense or logic in the one that says he is going to nominate that he is a Port supporter


In direct contrast, in the real world, the average Adelaide supporter, who doesn't blog on BigFooty isn't overly interested in this case at all or the reasons why it happened. I've discussed the Tippett saga with many such supporters I haven't spoken to one such supporter that is going to chuck in their membership.


With Adelaide Oval on the horizon, I think there's a good chance that we'll have more members, not less, because it helps gets them to be a member at Adelaide Oval.

The sponsors have stood fat and our supporters are sticking as well. I don't think there will be very much collateral damage at all resulting from the offences for which we were found guillty.
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No collateral damage (which I disagree with) but even if that is so we have lost four draft picks, our most highly paid player for nothing, a $300,000 fine, and the loss of two club officails for various periods of time. This is a huge amount of damage.

And that doesnt take into account the loss of our hard hearned reputation for fairness and solidity (which was gained at the expense of ever taking on the AFL when at times we should have) and the effect this will have had on the playing group.

Also any argument that the club hold's integrity to be an important value has gone out of the window.

I quote Trigg directly:

The text book would say in this situation, you step down, you step away, I know that," Trigg said.
"It is very unusual in these circumstances to dig in - and much less to have a board back you as the right person to keep going.

Yes its very unusual, because the boys club refuses to make the hard decisions and as a result this club is a laughing stock.

Trigg is thinking of himself only and not the best interests of the Club. The Board's decision is even more baffling. Clearly the level of accountability expected in the corporate world is quite low.
 
SpeciousArgument said:
did you just say 'no im not you are'? wow...
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So you didn't want me to correct you? Wow

Now lets look at who is the groupie, check any post that has a semblance of having a crack at me and count how many you haven't liked?
 
Cut it out you lot.

rfctiger - I agree cutting memberships hurts the club much more directly than it does the administration of the club, but there is literally no other recourse us fans can take. Yes, we can petition, yes, we can make noise, but that's already happened. Trigg has been smashed from all corners and yet he's still there.
 

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As an outsider I have been amazed with Trigg's performance since the hearing. Basically, he does not give a shit what supporters want or think. As long as the sponsors love him then the board loves him.

He reminds me of the Yes Minister episode with the hospital without any patients which was the most efficient in the UK. Trigg's ideal football club wouldn't have any members.

Carlton like many other clubs has its communication problems but Trigg's arrogance takes the cake.
 
Recently seen on Trigg's bookshelf in his office:

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Yep, we all thought Tippett was acting like a child who was unwilling to be accountable for his own actions. Seems as though we can put Trigg in that category now as well.
 
Jars458 said:
No collateral damage (which I disagree with) but even if that is so we have lost four draft picks, our most highly paid player for nothing, a $300,000 fine, and the loss of two club officails for various periods of time. This is a huge amount of damage.

And that doesnt take into account the loss of our hard hearned reputation for fairness and solidity (which was gained at the expense of ever taking on the AFL when at times we should have) and the effect this will have had on the playing group.

Also any argument that the club hold's integrity to be an important value has gone out of the window.
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I agree with everything you've said above Jars - everything. That's genuine damage in many senses of the word.

My post saying that I expected there to be no collateral damage was purely on the topic of memberships. As I said, we may lose a handful as a response to what has happened, which I expect to be more than outweighed by additional members getting on board in advance of the move to Adelaide Oval.

As for your comments re Trigg, I've consistently stated that in the Corporate world in which I have operated all my working life, even it be it my best employee, I would have had to sack Trigg. It wouldn't have been an option.

However, the Footy world seems to run on different values as Adelaide are only one of many clubs that have broken the rules and been caught, while I believe the others all have but just haven't been caught. I would even supect that what we have been found guilty of might be relatively minor to some that have snuck through in the past.

Moreover, we don't know all the details, and probably never will, which is why I've said consistently that I'd accept Rob Chapman's decision on Trigg as to whether he sacked him or retained him.

Just on Trigg, he certainly didn't do himself a lot of favours in the interview on 5aa last night, whereas Chapman shone by comparison.

While there is nothing wrong with assertiveness, Trigg must learn during his 6 month sabbatical to adjust his way of speech so that it doesn't sound like arrogance or inappropriate self-justification which endears him to nobody.

As one of the most important mouth-pieces of the club, some humility and a dash of human warmth wouldn't go astray either.
 
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