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[WaynesWorld19]

A reserves side in a meaningful non-SANFL comp and voting rights for members are clearly the most important steps for our club to take to secure a winning future and pimp up the trophy cabinet imo. 1000x more important than moving to AO which is more or less shuffling deck chairs

Disagree ......IMO benefits of being part o SANFL outweigh negatives
Playing in a meaningful comp against men is always better

Vic clubs with their U19 sides ....not caring about winning and not getting the same level of competition?
Yes i know all the positives of having our own reserves side ......and it makes for a wonderful debate

Footy is fashion .......fashionable AP to have your own side ......when costs rise and clubs change POV watch them justify 360d opposite view down the track

Most important agenda item .......not by a long mile my friend

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Chance of the SANFL letting a reserves side for either AFL team is what? Zero is my guess.

I hope so ....would hate the competition to be downgraded

Pity for SANFL players as Crows coaches got to see SANFL players go around ......and lead to some being recruited and/or given 2nd AFL chances


Won't happen as much if Crows/Port play in VFL which is my bet .......probably taking over an existing struggling VFL team

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Have to love Sheedy sometimes. Whether or not it's BS, he certainly knows when to pipe up with a rumour that may or may not be true.

If nothing else he is playing with Tippett's mind. He could be a basket case by the time he plays next year.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Well put and I'm sure that you are right Peter.

The major weakness in Trigg's thought process though is that the Tippett clan have stuck rigidly to blaming him rather than accepting blame themselves e.g. re who actually suggested the extra side agreement guaranteeing Tippett easy passage out of the Crows.

Even if Trigg did actually cancel this arrangement verbally with Tippett's manager as he claims, because Trigg didn't put anything in print, if we had disputed the draft tampering charge it would have resorted to a "he said she said " situation, which would have meant nothing, even if in fact, everything was as Trigg said, because he didn't put it to them in print and get them to acknowledge their acceptance in the same matter.

And yes, he does seem very bitter when he speak about it. He obviously feels that he's been made the fall guy.

Trigg was implicitly involved. It is worrying that he doesn't think he has really done anything wrong, because he clearly has. He is incompetent if he thinks a verbal agreement replaces a written one. He has no reason to be bitter, but the supporters & Sando/players with a loss of draft picks deserve to be angry about this mess.

 

[mattymac]

Disagree ......IMO benefits of being part o SANFL outweigh negatives
Playing in a meaningful comp against men is always better

Vic clubs with their U19 sides ....not caring about winning and not getting the same level of competition?
Yes i know all the positives of having our own reserves side ......and it makes for a wonderful debate

Footy is fashion .......fashionable AP to have your own side ......when costs rise and clubs change POV watch them justify 360d opposite view down the track

Most important agenda item .......not by a long mile my friend

Disagree. Having our own coaches controlling our reserves side, playing our players together and in the positions we have earmarked for them in the senior team will be a huge step forward imo. I really hope something comes of the talk that has been mooted of a reserves comp for AFL teams. We will be one of the main beneficiaries as it will end the current situation where our reserve players are hopelessly fragmented and distributed across myriad SANFL clubs. SANFL is dead against us having our own reserves side so we have to look abroad in the best interests of the club

 

[skoobydoo]

OK I'm gonna move on......under medical advice I am tapering off my investment in the Tippett affair. Just let me say I'm thankful that the playing group, and in fact the entire staff at AFC will have at least 6 months of dealing with Chapman rather than Trigg. Chapman has a winning personality/delivery and this next 6 months will in that way be a real bonus for the club. I believe morale will grow and we will grow in belief and unity with Chapman in the drivers seat.
Hopefully at mid-season when Trigg returns(?) we are well positioned in the top four and his re-emergence will not overly disenchant the playing group and others that he will have jurisdiction over. But maybe my concern is unfounded because he has only suffered a 'little ding/chip' to his cred and he will quickly put all that behind him. Six months ...Hmmmmm.

 

[boffo]

Money is always the reason Macca .........Trigg simply wouldn't get the same opportunity & money if he left Adelaide UNLESS he headed to Eastern States.

Don't think North Melbourne won't be in his ear over the coming months

Interesting point WW, I actually think Triggy would be better off with a fresh start at a different club, he has too much baggage here.

If NM offered him the job he'd surely take it. (Then again I've mis-read him all the way through, I thought he'd stand down after the penalty we got).

 

[boffo]

My view on this is the its pretty obvious Trigg wanted his day in court. In his own mind the charges on draft tampering in particular, could have been beaten.

As part of the settlement process he was guaranteed his job for pleading guilty. I recall predicting that outcome some time ago.

This also explains his current demeanour which hints at some bitterness for having to fall in line.

Interesting post PJ, you could well be right, the Board meeting to reaffirm Trigg's tenure was held the day after wasn't it? Pretty quick to weigh up such a big decision.

Also, on his 5AA interview Triggy pretty much pointed the finger at JR several times (ignoring the fact Reidy was under his management - or should have been).

PJ: Do you know what prompted the club to suddenly go from fighting the charges to pleading guilty to all charges?
(My theory is the AFL confronted them with the paper trail of deliberate deception and the killer was they had signed false statutory declarations).

Just on the 'day in court' though, Triggy did have the day in court, but it was a closed court and because all parties had pleaded guilty the Commission didn't actually have to decide whose version of the facts was true.

It's pretty safe to say we haven't been told the full story (and never will be unless Trigg or JR write a book......now there's an idea!)

 

[Tex200]

Interesting post PJ, you could well be right, the Board meeting to reaffirm Trigg's tenure was held the day after wasn't it? Pretty quick to weigh up such a big decision.

Also, on his 5AA interview Triggy pretty much pointed the finger at JR several times (ignoring the fact Reidy was under his management - or should have been).

PJ: Do you know what prompted the club to suddenly go from fighting the charges to pleading guilty to all charges?
(My theory is the AFL confronted them with the paper trail of deliberate deception and the killer was they had signed false statutory declarations).

Just on the 'day in court' though, Triggy did have the day in court, but it was a closed court and because all parties had pleaded guilty the Commission didn't actually have to decide whose version of the facts was true.

It's pretty safe to say we haven't been told the full story (and never will be unless Trigg or JR write a book......now there's an idea!)

My guess is that there was considerable risk management from the AFL and then the AFC. We started this aggressively and postured with appointing QC's. You may recall my description of Edwardson. Once he got involved we were reading that witnesses were being called and cross examined, turning this into a trial. I read the AFL were quite concerned and counseled us to back off. They could probably see the whole thing blowing up and ending in civil court.

The wheeling and dealing took over or...risk management. We were offered a deal to minmise the penalty and extricate ourselves from the AFL and Tippett as opposed to boxing on and risk losing with a far worse penalty. We may have also ended up in litigation with tippett.

And so we calculate risk v reward. So it all changes, we pull in our horns and cop it. We will never know what, if any defence there was. The term day in court means a chance to defend yourself which Trigg clearly believes he did not get. We are left with no other conclusion than no defence was available.

 

[Draft Bored]

Do we find out what wage Tippett nominated on Monday?

I seem to have missed it... or is it not public... or do I have the date wrong?

 

[Elite Crow]

Do we find out what wage Tippett nominated on Monday?

I seem to have missed it... or is it not public... or do I have the date wrong?

He's lodged it but it hasn't been made public

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives.....

Just a few thoughts of my own

1. Was I pissed off last Friday? yes
2. Do I feel cheated, used and under appreciated? yes
3. Did Steven Trigg and Rob Chapman treat the supporter base with contempt over the past few days? yes
4. will this cause me to give up my membership? no
5. will I hold the responsable for this mess? yes and the next stuff they do - it will be Neil Craig drama all over again.
6. do I blame anyone else for making this choice? no, i don't blame this if they do
7. Do I still blame Kurt Tippett? no, not at all as all players who were (are) offered this deal, will accept it
8. do I still blame the club? yes, they should have known better and not entered into any sort of agreement
9. will we ever find our the entire truth? no, not at all.
10. Should Steven Trigg keep his job? no
11. is the Adelaide Crows a massive boys club? yes, always has been and a broom needs to be swept all the way through it.
12. Is the media in South Australia a joke? yes

 

[macca23]

He's lodged it but it hasn't been made public

Rowey said tonight that Tippett has halved his required amount for the first year.

In classical Rowey style, he never said what the amount was that got halved.

 

[Elite Crow]

Rowey said tonight that Tippett has halved his required amount for the first year.

In classical Rowey style, he never said what the amount was that got halved.

Emma reported it was $700k originally. The AGE also reported he was now only asking for 3 years, but I don't know how accurate that is. If GWS were serious about getting him and were worried about his back ended contract, if they've got the room next year why wouldn't they front load his contract even if he's only playing half the season?

But they might be more worried about his personality now.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

But they might be more worried about his personality now.

Now come on. His personality has nothing to do with it.

Every single person at the Adelaide Football Club I've spoken to, says he is a top bloke. His personality is fine, he's simply been poorly advised.

The players are pissed off, not because he got a huge deal but because he didn't tell them face to face. They actually don't care who he plays for or how much money he gets. They are pissed off because how it ended.

His personality in Sydney won't be an issue, even if some people in this board insist it will be as he has developed this "me" stigma.

 

[Elite Crow]

Now come on. His personality has nothing to do with it.

Every single person at the Adelaide Football Club I've spoken to, says he is a top bloke. His personality is fine, he's simply been poorly advised.

The players are pissed off, not because he got a huge deal but because he didn't tell them face to face. They actually don't care who he plays for or how much money he gets. They are pissed off because how it ended.

His personality in Sydney won't be an issue, even if some people in this board insist it will be as he has developed this "me" stigma.

Did you see the quote from the GWS where they said they need to decide whether he was the right player for the culture they are trying to develop?

Do you think the club still thinks he is a top bloke after he blamed them for everything after the committee meeting?

 

[Marty64]

Problen is you are stuck with his pay scale he nominates a year. Have heard he may be headed to Melbourne if he is not going to wear orange.

 

[Sanders]

Every single person at the Adelaide Football Club I've spoken to, says he is a top bloke. His personality is fine, he's simply been poorly advised.

Do you have the type of relationship with any of these where they would tell you otherwise?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Did you see the quote from the GWS where they said they need to decide whether he was the right player for the culture they are trying to develop?

What football clubs, and especially Kevin Sheedy says in the media and says in reality are two very different things.

Saying that, behaviour and culture are also two very different things. I've just made a post on the free agent thread, if the Adelaide Crows decided not to recruit Drew Petrie (not saying they are), I'm sure the culutre of the playing group will come into it and I feel his age will have a massive impact on this decision.

I'm sure Tippett's age will impact on the culture of the GWS playing group more than some perception his behaviour has built up.

Do you think the club still thinks he is a top bloke after he blamed them for everything after the committee meeting?

No relationship ends well, so that would be a no. But that doesn't change the fact that he still is. Lovers tiffs always end bad.

 

[Tex200]

Problen is you are stuck with his pay scale he nominates a year. Have heard he may be headed to Melbourne if he is not going to wear orange.

That who Sheedy was referring to today on SEN. Said a melb club was in the hunt.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Do you have the type of relationship with any of these where they would tell you otherwise?

Yes and by otherwise, you mean the truth.

Yes I do.

 

[Elite Crow]

What football clubs, and especially Kevin Sheedy says in the media and says in reality are two very different things.

Saying that, behaviour and culture are also two very different things. I've just made a post on the free agent thread, if the Adelaide Crows decided not to recruit Drew Petrie (not saying they are), I'm sure the culutre of the playing group will come into it and I feel his age will have a massive impact on this decision.

I'm sure Tippett's age will impact on the culture of the GWS playing group more than some perception his behaviour has built up.


No relationship ends well, so that would be a no. But that doesn't change the fact that he still is. Lovers tiffs always end bad.

Sheedy had no issue with Tippetts age previously. Besides the comment was made by another spokesman. You are only guessing what they meant, when a club says the need to assess if he was the right fit for their culture then there is no reason not to take it at face value. You and Sydney supporters must be the only ones who thinks Tippett has come out of this well. The commission went against Anderson recommendation to suspend half his fine because of how he acted.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It is called making a half arsed stand.

It's a good idea... but I wanna use my whole arse

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Sheedy had no issue with Tippetts age previously. Besides the comment was made by another spokesman. You are only guessing what they meant, when a club says the need to assess if he was the right fit for their culture then there is no reason not to take it at face value. You and Sydney supporters must be the only ones who thinks Tippett has come out of this well. The commission went against Anderson recommendation to suspend half his fine because of how he acted.

Look, you're confusing a few things.

He has been advised badly, lets start with that. Hopefully your Crows coloured sunglasses will allow you to admit that.

Secondly, he is not a bad guy. He is in fact, a top bloke who before all of this was idolised by 95% of this board.

And thirdly, if everyone has their time again - most would do it very differently. Him and the club.

Please be honest and tell me - during the preliminary final did you cheer for him? I know I did.

 

[Carnage]

Looking forward to 2013.

Do not care what Tippett does from this point forward.