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[BACCS]

Kennedy is supposed to be on $250k

There is just no way that is true now given his last 2 seasons. Maybe when he got the Swans this would be close to the mark, but he would quite easily be on 400k+ a season. If not, the Hawks would have gone harder at him during the trade period.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I have heard from some of his former team mates that he is mentally a bit soft. You are spot on that it is funny for someone that perhaps doesnt like the pressure he is quite happy to put a price on his head that is massive overs. The pressure he felt in Adelaide will be NOTHING if he doesnt perform.

From whom?

The Victorian media? South Australia media? or the NSW media who don't give a flying **** about football.

The Swans will shield him from any media pressure, that;'s why players go there. To avoid that crap.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

Can't help myself. Culture is essentially the ' way we do things around here' and ' how you get along around here'. It's shared values and beliefs and the unwritten rules around codes of behaviour that exist in all groups.

I could talk about cultural elasticity and brittleness but I'm sure you get the idea.

In recruiting, 'cultural fit' is regraded as the most critical factor for success.

The Swans culture has been defined somewhere as team and self sacrifice. Assuming that's right then IMO there is no worse fit to that sort of culture than a player with values (and behaviour) similar to Tippetts.

We are going to find out just how 'elastic' or 'brittle' the Swans culture really is.

And IMO we've absolutely dodged a bullet with our young playing group.

My thoughts precisely. We dont want a mercenary on our list. However, if he performs and is a key contributor to back to back premierships there will be no culture issues. He must perform at a very high level though and not just be 'ok' or 'good' . He has to regularly be a match winner or there will be dramas.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

From whom?

The Victorian media? South Australia media? or the NSW media who don't give a flying **** about football.

The Swans will shield him from any media pressure, that;'s why players go there. To avoid that crap.

Rubbish. He has built himself into one of the biggest Tall Poppies this country has ever seen. They may not be into footy in Sydney but dont know if you have noticed but Aussie tend to like tearing people down to size. Also massive pressure from his team mates and coaches to preserve the culture etc..They know what $ hes on and if he doesn't perform you cant tell me that all 40 will be no worries with that. Also the Vic media will be watching him like hawks too. They like nothing better than to stick the boot in if his form is down. They did that to Gary Ablett in his first year at GC, and Karmichael Hunt.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

I don't think it matters if they are a premiership player or not, but did you hear any of those rumblings when he was a Crows player?

Sure, from supporters you did but you are talking about the players making these grips.

No and I take your piont. Even if he is a 'top bloke' he is being paid massses (at others expense. doubt there were many pay increases for the premiership team) and then doesn't perform it will impact on culture, Nice guy or not.

 

[fairfooty]

What values, what behaviors?

He values can not cont into question. He played his part over the 3 years of his contract and what behavior issue? just because he didn't want to live in Adelaide, doesn't mean he behaved poorly. The Crows offered him a very good deal and a way out at the end of this contract and at this time - he asked to go. Don't blame him for asking the Adelaide Football Club to hold up the end of there bargain FFS.

That was the deal and he wanted to leave.

Other than the questionable text, his behavior hasn't been any different.

Alex you clearly don't get it. It's not about good and bad behaviours and values; its about a fit, a match. Cultures are the sums of all individuals values and behaviour. They work around norms and against extremes. Tippett is highly individualistic and centred on self. His behaviour shows that and demonstrates his value set. That's neither good or bad. But it is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the Swans culture as far as I know. You do the maths...

 

[Elite Crow]

Do you deliberately go out of your way to be obtuse or is it just a very special talent you have when you quote me?

No club ever signs a player for x amount of games because the club simply doesn't know how many games that player will actually player. There are way too many variable that can change. So they simply sign them year length contract (1,2,3 and in some cases 5) with a hope of getting 22 games out of them plus finals. They have a base salary and then bonus built into them.

In the AFL system, having performance based contracts went out years ago. When clubs had performances based contracts, that was when you could sign someone for X amount of game per season.

So yes, Sydney will only get a maximum of 11 games plus final for Kurt Tippett in 2013 but when they do their salary cap budget, the amount they are willing to pay him will be based in a 12 month period.

I get what you are saying but I don't agree with it.

 

[Elite Crow]

Alex you clearly don't get it. It's not about good and bad behaviours and values; its about a fit, a match. Cultures are the sums of all individuals values and behaviour. They work around norms and against extremes. Tippett is highly individualistic and centred on self. His behaviour shows that and demonstrates his value set. That's neither good or bad. But it is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the Swans culture as far as I know. You do the maths...

There was a channel 7 promo during the year featuring the players. To a man, well except Kurt, they focussed on the team. Kurt's contribution? He wanted to be the best player he could be. Says it all really.

 

[Sanders]

Well at least we got our pound of flesh, costing him a couple of million in guaranteed cash

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Alex you clearly don't get it. It's not about good and bad behaviours and values; its about a fit, a match. Cultures are the sums of all individuals values and behaviour. They work around norms and against extremes. Tippett is highly individualistic and centred on self. His behaviour shows that and demonstrates his value set. That's neither good or bad. But it is at the opposite end of the spectrum to the Swans culture as far as I know. You do the maths...

How do you know he is highly individualist and self centred?

Because he wanted the Crows to up hold their end of the bargain, being his values into question?

Playing values won't fit into the Swans system? He will do as he is told, he will do whatever it takes to win and not leave any stone unturned to be successful.

Some people who post on this board are simply acting like jilted lovers who have been dumped and can not accept it. So they are looking for the smallest reason to talk smack about him.

His behaviour is totally normal for anyone who wants to leave. He has good values for holding up to his end of the bargain, I can not remember reading him missing many training sessions or meetings, so his playing values can not come into question.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

There was a channel 7 promo during the year featuring the players. To a man, well except Kurt, they focussed on the team. Kurt's contribution? He wanted to be the best player he could be. Says it all really.

Want to show us this promo?

 

[fairfooty]

How do you know he is highly individualist and self centred?

Because he wanted the Crows to up hold their end of the bargain, being his values into question?

Playing values won't fit into the Swans system? He will do as he is told, he will do whatever it takes to win and not leave any stone unturned to be successful.

Some people who post on this board are simply acting like jilted lovers who have been dumped and can not accept it. So they are looking for the smallest reason to talk smack about him.

His behaviour is totally normal for anyone who wants to leave. He has good values for holding up to his end of the bargain, I can not remember reading him missing many training sessions or meetings, so his playing values can not come into question.

I rest my case. You don't get it and I can't help you. 'When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging'.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I rest my case. You don't get it and I can't help you. 'When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging'.

Answer the question - how is he an individual and self centred? and that crap about the channel 7 promo (unless we can see it) can not be taken as a verbatim piece of evidence.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Alex, If you think Swan premiership players won't care that he is earning triple their pay you are kidding yourself. They will want their slice of the pie when their contract comes up and all the other clubs will be in the ears of the young guns for the Swans...Tippett is getting this you can get this.

He has all the pressure on him to perform for the $$ he is getting. Now if he can recapture 09 well then it probably won't be a problem. It reportedly got to him being in the fishbowl that is Adelaide...if he doesn't perform, kick the goals he should kick then I think the culture will be eroded and I think this is what most others think as well.

Its all on him and he has shown himself to be mentally weak in this area in the past.

Yes, for someone wanting less pressure, he has done the opposite & can see him falling apart mentally.

BTW, which gun Sydney players are coming out of contract next year, as we have quite a bit of cap space? Karma can be a bitch...

 

[fairfooty]

There was a channel 7 promo during the year featuring the players. To a man, well except Kurt, they focussed on the team. Kurt's contribution? He wanted to be the best player he could be. Says it all really.

Now you mention it, I remember that promo and remember being struck by Tippetts contribution too. Should try and find it as its an interesting indicator...

 

[SydCrow]

Now you mention it, I remember that promo and remember being struck by Tippetts contribution too. Should try and find it as its an interesting indicator...

Look he's from the Gold Coast. What do you expect.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Because he was part of it, but it should never have reached that point.

As soon as Steven Trigg found out, he needed to go to the AFL and make that deal null and void and pay the price. Sack Reid, renegotiate Tippett deal or trade him to the GC.

END OF STORY.

Maybe he should have, but that's not the point.. You're talking about this from a viewpoint of how to save or ass, and we didn't save our ass.. They were ALL involved in making this happen.. That's not too hard to understand, surely? Too many people always want a spot to place ALL the blame.. ALL parties were involved in making this happen..

END OF STORY.

 

[teddys mum]

Yes, for someone wanting less pressure, he has done the opposite & can see him falling apart mentally.

BTW, which gun Sydney players are coming out of contract next year, as we have quite a bit of cap space? Karma can be a bitch...

Jesse White

 

[Elite Crow]

Want to show us this promo?

Yeh I'm going to pull it out of my arse, FFS, if you don't believe me I don't give a ****.

 

[Cap]

Before he decided to leave, did you hear anyone say he was a bad egg either?

yep, both players and staff members

 

[Indie_]

Kennedy is supposed to be on $250k

That would be about right yes. He signed a contract extension which covers the next year however, and I'd assume that he may be on around 400k next year. After which, we will have plenty of money to give to him with Tippett's front loaded contract, White's contract off the books and Bolton's retirement.

We won't be priced out by anyone for him.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I'm done commenting.

Please don't quote me any more in this thread as I will not be responding.

Kurt Tippett is now a Sydney player and a few Crows supporters need to grow up and stop acting like spoilt brats who have had their toy taken from them.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

I remember that promo. Such a w***er. He's finally gone. Thank god. Cheers to 2013.

 

[spenze]

That would be about right yes. He signed a contract extension which covers the next year however, and I'd assume that he may be on around 400k next year. After which, we will have plenty of money to give to him with Tippett's front loaded contract, White's contract off the books and Bolton's retirement.

We won't be priced out by anyone for him.

When you lose the 10% for the 2014 season you will be.

 

[swanton]

When you lose the 10% for the 2014 season you will be.

Nope even then

Jude retiring and white off our list will free up 700K approx
possibly even shaw/mattner