Recommitted Todd Goldstein

[Red Bull]

He's now stitched up until the end of 2020, so come one come all.

If indeed North have signed Pruess until 2020 that's good list management .
Having your highest paid player rotting away in the reserves for the next 2 years isn't ...

 

[Red Bull]

His salary clearly isn't an issue for us, we made some massive offers to players this off season.

Not saying that the contract is a good one, but it's not like it's hamstrung us. Again, it's all in your head.

Well maybe without the burden of Goldy's contract you could have offered Martin and Kelly more coin and landed them ?
Maybe the contract has hamstrung North to a degree .
Id rather play Pruess in the seniors and throw Goldy's wasted $$$ at Martin/Kelly ...

 

[Wild Bill]

If Pruess came to Carlton we could move Kruezer on for draft picks or players as he is in all Australian form unlike Goldy .
When in rebuild its what you do .
29yo Gibbs landed 2 x 1st rounders
27yo Tuohy landed 20yo Marchbank
Henderson Yarran and Menzel all yielded great profits that will form the nucleus of the future .
Rebuild is not having 1 draft pick in the top 20 and your highest paid player languishing in the reserves for the next 2 years .

Rebuilding - the Blues way!! Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Well maybe without the burden of Goldy's contract you could have offered Martin and Kelly more coin and landed them ?
Maybe the contract has hamstrung North to a degree .
Id rather play Pruess in the seniors and throw Goldy's wasted $$$ at Martin/Kelly ...

What a complete load of utter drivel.

 

[Red Bull]

What a complete load of utter drivel.

So you are saying no matter how much money you offer a player , they won't want to come and play at North ?

 

[Red Bull]

Rebuilding - the Blues way!! Thanks for the laugh.

5 rising star nominations this year with 2 top 10 draft picks to add next month

 

[Wild Bill]

5 rising star nominations this year with 2 top 10 draft picks to add next month

Mate you had 4 number 1 picks on your list this year and still went backwards - and still ranked in the bottom 4 in 2018. But celebrate rising star noms. It’s as good as it gets for the last decade at the Blues.

If the Roos should have moved on Goldy after his AA year then so should the Blues after Kreuzer’s 1st good year this year - at age 28. He will be worthless by the time your kids come good.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If indeed North have signed Pruess until 2020 that's good list management .

Yep.

Having your highest paid player rotting away in the reserves for the next 2 years isn't ...

I don't share your sentiment at all. Todd finished out the season well, and even if that does turn out to be the case it is basically money that is parked in a contract that will be freed up for a free agent/s in a couple of seasons. It's just no big issue in the present scheme of things. It only becomes an issue if it costs us a present player.

 

[Red Bull]

Yep.



I don't share your sentiment at all. Todd finished out the season well, and even if that does turn out to be the case it is basically money that is parked in a contract that will be freed up for a free agent/s in a couple of seasons. It's just no big issue in the present scheme of things. It only becomes an issue if it costs us a present player.

The money could have been thrown at Martin/Kelly .
They are present players that can play a bit and Pruess becomes your undisputed number 1 ruckman with Daw as back up .

 

[Red Bull]

Mate you had 4 number 1 picks on your list this year and still went backwards - and still ranked in the bottom 4 in 2018. But celebrate rising star noms. It’s as good as it gets for the last decade at the Blues.

If the Roos should have moved on Goldy after his AA year then so should the Blues after Kreuzer’s 1st good year this year - at age 28. He will be worthless by the time your kids come good.

Carlton don't have Pruess on the list .
Kruezer is valuable and needed , Goldy is neither .
I guess others can decide who of North or Carlton are heading in the right direction ...

 

[MaddAdam]

Goldy had significant off field issues the last two years. Played well though one of them, had a crap year last year.

I think he'll bounce back very nicely in 2018.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The money could have been thrown at Martin/Kelly .

Incorrect. The Martin/Kelly money was available regardless of Goldsteins contract.

What you fail to understand is that there is a point where the club won't give him away. He does have value.

They are present players that can play a bit and Pruess becomes your undisputed number 1 ruckman with Daw as back up .

We'll get Kelly when Todds contract expires, and we went very close to landing Martin.

Gaff, Sloane, Dalhaus, Lynch, Liberatore, Guthrie and Gray all come out of contract next season.

Preuss will get more game time this season.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Goldy had significant off field issues the last two years. Played well though one of them, had a crap year last year.

I think he'll bounce back very nicely in 2018.

Beat Stefan Martin in the last game of the year.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Carlton don't have Pruess on the list .
Kruezer is valuable and needed , Goldy is neither .
I guess others can decide who of North or Carlton are heading in the right direction ...

Kruezer isn't really a ruckman though, he's a "follower" Goldstein would be Carlton's starting ruckman.

Kruezer finished 16th for hit outs and Carlton finished 17th for clearances. That's not exactly "armchair ride" material.

I can see why you would like to get Goldy on the cheap, but I am afraid that Carlton are going to have to pony up. We're happy to keep him otherwise.

 

[MaddAdam]

Beat Stefan Martin in the last game of the year.

Yeah, he started to get back to some form as the season went on.

Also, teams won't put as much into him as last few years, should give him a few games to get his form up and running, then the pressure will come again.

But people writing him off are fools.

 

[Red Bull]

The market has just valued Goldy .
Good luck to him and North for the next 2 seasons .

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yeah, he started to get back to some form as the season went on.

Also, teams won't put as much into him as last few years, should give him a few games to get his form up and running, then the pressure will come again.

But people writing him off are fools.

His palm work was still very good, it was his ball skills that dropped right away. It's a confidence issue.

I can see why a club wouldn't part with a 1st round pick, due to his form slump, but I can equally see why North would not settle for a pick in the 20's or less whilst having to take on a million or so bucks of his salary. We're simply better off keeping him. If he doesn't get back to good form, then so be it. We have coin parked away for a gun player in two years time.

 

[Bokonon_]

The money could have been thrown at Martin/Kelly .
They are present players that can play a bit and Pruess becomes your undisputed number 1 ruckman with Daw as back up .

Two things
Preuss is 22 and a third year player. Typically ruckmen at this stage aren't ready for the weekly grind of constant collisions for 22 rounds. It could easily damage his body and career ro put him in at the deep end at this stage.

North are strong for tall forwards, but I wonder if they will find him a spot as a forward/relieving ruck. Seems he could do this well.

If North offerred Martin and Kelly very long term deals at even more than the reported offers it could skew their payments for a long time. At some point in the next ten years they're gonna have to find large sums for other players. If they go short term they risk them taking the money and moving on.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The market has just valued Goldy . .

No. North has just valued Goldy. The market didn't meet that valuation.

Good luck to him and North for the next 2 seasons .

Blind Freddy could see that we will be struggling, even if Goldstein returns to AA form.

North are strong for tall forwards, but I wonder if they will find him a spot as a forward/relieving ruck. Seems he could do this well.

This is what I am expecting

If North offerred Martin and Kelly very long term deals at even more than the reported offers it could skew their payments for a long time. At some point in the next ten years they're gonna have to find large sums for other players. If they go short term they risk them taking the money and moving on.

We put Richmond in a position where they had to sell the farm to keep Martin, and Kelly was never about a bidding war. As you would know, he did not stay at GWS for money.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

So you are saying no matter how much money you offer a player , they won't want to come and play at North ?

North offered Kelly close to half a million more than GWS, if that didn't sway him, an extra few hundred thousand wouldn't, not to mention irresponsible.

 

[Snake_Baker]

North offered Kelly close to half a million more than GWS, if that didn't sway him, an extra few hundred thousand wouldn't, not to mention irresponsible.

I don't know where you got that info. It was $300K. JK was never a money issue.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I don't know where you got that info. It was $300K. JK was never a money issue.

1.2 mill, gws 800k, close to half a mill.

 

[MaddAdam]

His palm work was still very good, it was his ball skills that dropped right away. It's a confidence issue.

I can see why a club wouldn't part with a 1st round pick, due to his form slump, but I can equally see why North would not settle for a pick in the 20's or less whilst having to take on a million or so bucks of his salary. We're simply better off keeping him. If he doesn't get back to good form, then so be it. We have coin parked away for a gun player in two years time.

Yeah, the real improvement in his game a few years ago came when he was attacking the ball and contest with a ferocity drawn of true confidence. He was down on confidence this year thus that fell way.

 

[MaddAdam]

Also, Calton supporters, jeez. I see they have got another hot new girlfriend, but yet again, she doesn't go to our school, so nobody knows her or has seen her.

 

[Red Bull]

Two things
Preuss is 22 and a third year player. Typically ruckmen at this stage aren't ready for the weekly grind of constant collisions for 22 rounds. It could easily damage his body and career ro put him in at the deep end at this stage.

North are strong for tall forwards, but I wonder if they will find him a spot as a forward/relieving ruck. Seems he could do this well.

If North offerred Martin and Kelly very long term deals at even more than the reported offers it could skew their payments for a long time. At some point in the next ten years they're gonna have to find large sums for other players. If they go short term they risk them taking the money and moving on.

Have you seen the size and aggression of Pruess ?
Pretty sure he would be the one handing out the hurt .
Age hasn't hurt Grundy and Pruess would have Daw to share the load when needed in any case .