Towards 2015...

[kimodgers]

There are a lot of assumptions here. A week is a long time in footy let alone 3 years.

Assumption 1. Bartel, Kelly, Lonnergan & Mackie will be 31/32 and I have discounted them for the sake of the exercise.
Assumption 2. Players like Gillies, Hogan & Byrnes traded out for some additional new player gain (or just cut).
Assumption 3. We will be drafting some quality new kids between now & 2015 – Jordon Bourke perhaps. Particularly given that our list will shortly open up with retirements. 4/5 of these newer kids will be cherry ripe by 2015.
Assumption 4. At least 2 mature kpp will be targeted (mid (Boak)/defence/ poss. Ruck)
Assumption 5. I know what I’m talking about (bit shaky that one).

By 2015, this list should have that perfect spread between <50 games, 50-100 games and +150 games.

Anyway….

Certainly some of these players won’t make it, but even if you cull Bathie, Brown, Shroader, Simpkin, Blicavs and also perhaps Cowen & Vardy etc because of continuing injuries, the list still looks strong.

Missing is a lock-in fullback, another defence tall and a project ruckman (Blicavs is too much of a long shot for me).

Backs: Bews, Hunt, Eardley, Guthrie, Taylor, H/Smith,

Mids: Smedts, Hamling, Sellwood, Varcoe, Duncan, Christiansen, Sherringham, Simpkin, McCarthy, Stringer, Cowen

Forwards: Shroeder, Johnston, Brown, Motlop, Kerston, Hawkins, Walker, Menzel, Bathie

Rucks: Simpson, Vardy, West, Blicavs

I might have missed a few and field positions can’t be predicted and depend on circumstances and development.

But my point is that there is a hell of side in there somewhere (particularly when you add in the coming draft talent)

 

[dazbroncos]

Straight from the CS handbook of Geelong success 2014 - 2018...

GO Catters

 

[SJ]

Drafting and list management knowledge is not my strong suit however I feel we need to go to the well soon and draft a couple of elite midfielders. They are a must-have to become a successful team and I feel that is where we have a bit of a black hole.

 

[BotsMaster]

Straight from the CS handbook of Geelong success 2014 - 2018...

GO Catters

If we are in contention, then we will be battling it out with North in 2014.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Drafting and list management knowledge is not my strong suit however I feel we need to go to the well soon and draft a couple of elite midfielders. There are a must-have to become a successful team and I feel that is where we have a bit of a black hole.

Correct. We've been discussing that over on Cat Scan for a while now.

Definitely need a couple of elite mids as priority A, and priority b a future key defender.

 

[vealesy]

I disagree, need defenders first. Mids are a dime a dozen.

 

[SJ]

I disagree, need defenders first. Mids are a dime a dozen.

There are mids and there are mids.

Use pick #4 on Cale Morton or pick #29 on Dayne Beams.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I disagree, need defenders first. Mids are a dime a dozen.

With defence though, you only need one or two good prospects whereas with mids you need up to 4 or 5 good ones (depth of rotations) as there's more of them in your 22. That said it's not either/or, we need to address both.

 

[The rabbi]

Backs: Bews, Hunt, Eardley, Guthrie, Taylor, H/Smith,

Mids: Smedts, Hamling, Sellwood, Varcoe, Duncan, Christiansen, Sherringham, Simpkin, McCarthy, Stringer, Cowen

Forwards: Shroeder, Johnston, Brown, Motlop, Kerston, Hawkins, Walker, Menzel, Bathie

Rucks: Simpson, Vardy, West, Blicavs

Hamling a mid?

 

[SleazySimon]

First Priority are reinforcements in the defence. It helps that Brown and Walker can both play there but next year we will need more when Scarlett goes. I think its essential we keep Scarlett for another year as a coach like Ottens is to our ruckman. Or we go out and 'buy' and established defender like Silvagni from the Dockers. I think we take our backline for granted a bit. Scarlett-like A grade defenders dont grow on trees.

 

[you pick one]

I doubt Johnson will go around in 2015.

 

[kimodgers]

Hamling a mid?

At 194cm I guess not. But I have a feeling that if this kid wants to really have a crack he could play anywhere.

 

[cynical]

I disagree, need defenders first. Mids are a dime a dozen.

we need elite mids not potato farmers, probably want another A grade extractor like Corey used to be and another outside Varcoe type with explosive pace

defenders are mostly mids and hack forwards anyway

 

[proboy]

In wells we trust

 

[winty]

Bathie would be a defender rather than a forward. Don't think I've seen him play forward once in the VFL.

 

[Belisarius]

2015 Geelong team - I'll have a go at that !


THunt Lonergan Enright

Guthrie Walker Taylor

Varcoe Selwood Duncan

Menzel Brown Motlop

Kersten Hawk Schroder


Foll. Simpson Kelly Bundy

Int. Vardy SJ Bartel

Sub. Smedts


Emerg. Murdoch Mc Carthy Horlin-Smith Stringer West Hamlin.


Good mix of players - some true leg speed THunt, Varcoe, Motlop, Smedts), good athletic talls (Walker, Hawk, Taylor and Brown) and except for the odd player (Enright, Kelly SJ, Bartel and Lonergan) all reasonably young or in their prime.

And I am sure that we still get a good draftee from the 12/13/14 drafts. A fair call from what Wells has done and has a the Abeltt pick left as well.

It is likely we will land a free agent or trade for a player in the next 3 seasons - seems a fair enough assumption.

If these guys are good as we suspect they are - this will be a strong line up - and looks balanced. Would mlike to see Murdoch in the team as well for that extra zip but you cannot have everyone in the team. Perhaps he takes Enright's position, as Enright might go at the end 2014.

Good forward line with some nice kicks among them, strong backline and a decent midfield.

We still need maybe another good mid - perhaps SJ, Schroder or Duncan can become that mid we need.

Otherwise we look good re potential / on paper.

 

[FoxC]

Certainly some of these players won’t make it, but even if you cull Bathie, Brown, Shroader, Simpkin, Blicavs and also perhaps Cowen & Vardy etc because of continuing injuries, the list still looks strong.

How is Shroeder going in the VFL? When he was first drafted many of us thought with his build he'd be the next Chappy - a hard nut. I still like the look of him and will be disappointed if he doesn't make it.

 

[proboy]

schroeder can certainly stand up in a tackle. MAybe its like they did with chappy they making him earn his spot.

 

[Strangled Cat]

2015 Geelong team - I'll have a go at that !


THunt Lonergan Enright

Guthrie Walker Taylor

Varcoe Selwood Duncan

Menzel Brown Motlop

Kersten Hawk Schroder


Foll. Simpson Kelly Bundy

Int. Vardy SJ Bartel

Sub. Smedts


Emerg. Murdoch Mc Carthy Horlin-Smith Stringer West Hamlin.


Good mix of players - some true leg speed THunt, Varcoe, Motlop, Smedts), good athletic talls (Walker, Hawk, Taylor and Brown) and except for the odd player (Enright, Kelly SJ, Bartel and Lonergan) all reasonably young or in their prime.

And I am sure that we still get a good draftee from the 12/13/14 drafts. A fair call from what Wells has done and has a the Abeltt pick left as well.

It is likely we will land a free agent or trade for a player in the next 3 seasons - seems a fair enough assumption.

If these guys are good as we suspect they are - this will be a strong line up - and looks balanced. Would mlike to see Murdoch in the team as well for that extra zip but you cannot have everyone in the team. Perhaps he takes Enright's position, as Enright might go at the end 2014.

Good forward line with some nice kicks among them, strong backline and a decent midfield.

We still need maybe another good mid - perhaps SJ, Schroder or Duncan can become that mid we need.

Otherwise we look good re potential / on paper.

I can't see Corey Enright still playing in 2015. Also I would have had brown in defence since i think that's where he may be better suited long term and Walker in his spot at CHF. That leaves one more spot for a defender which I'm sure the club will have filled from now until 2015. My guess is that either Bathie comes on at some point or we go after a Luke Thompson from the Crows as he is a young, tall defender and an ex Geelong Falcon.

 

[supahoops]

Thought I'd have a crack with age in ()

B Guthrie (23). Lonergan (31). Murdoch (23).

HB Mackie (31). Taylor (29). Hunt (24).

C Christensen (24). Boak (27). Duncan (24).

HF Varcoe (27). Vardy (24). Menzel (24).

F Motlop (24). Hawkins (27). Johnson(30).

Foll. Simpson (26). Selwood (27). Kelly (31).

Int: West (27). Smedts (23). Bartel (31). Stringer (24).

In reserve: bathie bews blicavs brown burbury Cowan eardley hamling horlin-smith kersten Mccarthy schroder sheringham simpkin stringer walker, plus all draft picks from 12-14 but the more I look at this team and it's age list the more I see the need to use a couple of high picks from this year on travis boak as I think he'd really complement this team.

Think we could give 2015 a good shake with this lot..

 

[Senatorguesty]

Thought I'd have a crack with age in ()

B Guthrie (23). Lonergan (31). Murdoch (23).

HB Mackie (31). Taylor (29). Hunt (24).

C Christensen (24). Boak (27). Duncan (24).

HF Varcoe (27). Vardy (24). Menzel (24).

F Motlop (24). Hawkins (27). Johnson(30).

Foll. Simpson (26). Selwood (27). Kelly (31).

Int: West (27). Smedts (23). Bartel (31). Stringer (24).

In reserve: bathie bews blicavs brown burbury Cowan eardley hamling horlin-smith kersten Mccarthy schroder sheringham simpkin stringer walker, plus all draft picks from 12-14 but the more I look at this team and it's age list the more I see the need to use a couple of high picks from this year on travis boak as I think he'd really complement this team.

Think we could give 2015 a good shake with this lot..

Not a bad team at all.
I agree with the Boak bit too, I'd ok if Boak says he wants to come here and the Cats have to give both the compo pick AND round 1 pick (both very high teens anyway) because I dont think kids would help us much at this stage..

 

[supahoops]

Not a bad team at all.
I agree with the Boak bit too, I'd ok if Boak says he wants to come here and the Cats have to give both the compo pick AND round 1 pick (both very high teens anyway) because I dont think kids would help us much at this stage..

My thoughts exactly, when you look at the players and picks in reserve I think it's worth the risk. Can see why we're chasing him as the age demographic looks pretty sound as far as winning premierships go traditionally ( before we broke the rules ).
A few old timers in there but we'll see how they go, should be there or thereabouts with a bit of luck..

 

[SJ]

Not a bad team at all.
I agree with the Boak bit too, I'd ok if Boak says he wants to come here and the Cats have to give both the compo pick AND round 1 pick (both very high teens anyway) because I dont think kids would help us much at this stage..

I'm the opposite, I'd rather 'go to the well' (with Wells) and use two first round picks. With Boak you get half a career out of an A grader. With two first round picks (and our drafting record) I reckon we'd get at least that, with a far greater ceiling.

 

[Senatorguesty]

I'm the opposite, I'd rather 'go to the well' (with Wells) and use two first round picks. With Boak you get half a career out of an A grader. With two first round picks (and our drafting record) I reckon we'd get at least that, with a far greater ceiling.

Althought normally I'd agree with you I think side in the next 2-4 years lacks a hard bodied midfielder in the right age bracket. Boak fits that PERFECTLY and at this stage I'm ok us giving up 2 possibles for 1 guarentee even if it is for a shorter amount of time. Its about filling the hole required and not about getting the most possible IMO.

 

[SJ]

Althought normally I'd agree with you I think side in the next 2-4 years lacks a hard bodied midfielder in the right age bracket. Boak fits that PERFECTLY and at this stage I'm ok us giving up 2 possibles for 1 guarentee even if it is for a shorter amount of time. Its about filling the hole required and not about getting the most possible IMO.

See I see us slipping further in the next two-four and then rising again - in which case new draftees (think of a Duncan, Menzel, Christensen, Sidebottom, Beams) could easily be in the best 22 by the next peak.