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Crows fans melting over us being able to use junk picks to match a bid at 1 is glorious.
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You think that's bad, I managed to find an uncropped version which confirms he was actually at the park for some kick to kick with his old man. Would have gone father-son but being an illegitimate child they had to keep it under wraps.View attachment 1021103
No dig deeper its far worse than the obvious shorts. Look at his protective spirit animal in the sky and the colour of his dogs!
Smith to Hawks triple confirmation.
Crows fans melting over us being able to use junk picks to match a bid at 1 is glorious.
Crows fans melting over us being able to use junk picks to match a bid at 1 is glorious.
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No dig deeper its far worse than the obvious shorts. Look at his protective spirit animal in the sky and the colour of his dogs!
Smith to Hawks triple confirmation.
Maybe we are close to coming to agreement with Collingwood or it might be just Sam powerSo I guess the treloar trade can’t be void if we’re already trading their picks..?
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Their salty tears taste deliciousYep. May be even higher. Knightmare had 14 of his top 40 picks as Academy/NGA/FS, if they chew up multiple picks each, we could effectively get a pick in the high 40s/low 50s
Could give us a look at a Corey Durdin.
Dreaming If they were thinking they were getting pick 12 for a 27 year old that only played 30 gamesThey were really salty over the Keath trade thinking they should have got pick 12 and haven’t moved on since.
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Collingwood are contracted to pay Treloar 4.5M over 5 years. We have signed a contract with Treloar for $3M over 5 years, relieving Collingwood of the obligation to find that $3M. This still leaves $1.5M that Collingwood owes Treloar. How they discharge that obligation is not our business. It's a contractual dispute between Treloar and Collingwood.If it’s purely a dispute between Collingwood and Treloar, there is no dispute. He is owed 4.5m over 5 years regardless of who pays it.
We and the AFL (and the trade) are involved in the dispute, there is no way around that
Great stuff.Here's the updated table on what happens at different bids on JUH. I'll post it in the JUH thread too because it'll get buried here.
We currently have picks 29,33,41,42,52,54 and 90.
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The first column shows where the bid comes for JUH. The blue column shows what picks we'd be left with if that happened. The final column shows the highest bid we could still match for either Raak or MacPherson (if we wanted to) with the remaining points. However I'd be surprised if a bid came for either of them before about 40 (if at all).
The key point is that even with a bid at pick 1 we now won't go into a deficit of points that would affect the position of our 2021 first round pick.
That was a great trade. Sam Power's reputation grows by the hour!PLAYERCARDSTARTSam Power
- Age
- 41
- Ht
- 190cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 7.8
- 3star
- HB
- 6.9
- 4star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
No current season stats available
- D
- 7.8
- 2star
- K
- 3.8
- 2star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.8
- 2star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
EDIT: As others have noted the later picks could slide up or down depending on a range of other possible matched bids for FS and Academy players. Far too many permutations to list here.
I don't think a like on all of your posts is enough - from someone who struggles with the points system, these tables and explanatory posts have been amazing. Greatly appreciate the work you put into them.Here's the updated table on what happens at different bids on JUH. I'll post it in the JUH thread too because it'll get buried here.
We currently have picks 29,33,41,42,52,54 and 90.
View attachment 1021139
The first column shows where the bid comes for JUH. The blue column shows what picks we'd be left with if that happened. The final column shows the highest bid we could still match for either Raak or MacPherson (if we wanted to) with the remaining points. However I'd be surprised if a bid came for either of them before about 40 (if at all).
The key point is that even with a bid at pick 1 we now won't go into a deficit of points that would affect the position of our 2021 first round pick.
That was a great trade. Sam Power's reputation grows by the hour!PLAYERCARDSTARTSam Power
- Age
- 41
- Ht
- 190cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 14.7
- 4star
- K
- 7.8
- 3star
- HB
- 6.9
- 4star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 4star
No current season stats available
- D
- 7.8
- 2star
- K
- 3.8
- 2star
- HB
- 4.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.8
- 2star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
EDIT: As others have noted the later picks could slide up or down depending on a range of other possible matched bids for FS and Academy players. Far too many permutations to list here.
I’m not sure you can describe being picked at 2 as an afterthought. The player will essentially be rated the 2nd best youngster in the land.Adelaide would seriously have to be stupid to pick JUH at pick 1. It will be so embarrassing for them and whoever they do end up getting with their pick.. That kid will feel like sh*t I reckon knowing he's an afterthought.
it will never be void the AFL won’t allow itSo I guess the treloar trade can’t be void if we’re already trading their picks..?
Thanks MuttCollingwood are contracted to pay Treloar 4.5M over 5 years. We have signed a contract with Treloar for $3M over 5 years, relieving Collingwood of the obligation to find that $3M. This still leaves $1.5M that Collingwood owes Treloar. How they discharge that obligation is not our business. It's a contractual dispute between Treloar and Collingwood.
Collingwood are trying to embroil us in their dispute with Treloar, hoping we will pick up even more of their obligation... but we've said no way. We are only involved to the extent that we indulge Collingwood - which appears to be not much at all. At best we might bring forward some of our $3M obligation, however, the way Collingwood is carrying on I wouldn't hold my breath if I was Eddy.
A good list manager would cover all contingencies where possibleSo do you think the Dogs just did a pick swap to cover a potential bid because it may happen ?
Adelaide may have had the courtesy to forewarn Power of a bid. Kinnear at Sydney said he would do that if they intended to bid on JUH.A good list manager would cover all contingencies where possible
Yep they have nothing to lose by telling us in advanceAdelaide may have had the courtesy to forewarn Power of a bid. Kinnear at Sydney said he would do that if they intended to bid on JUH.
Thanks. It would be appreciated if anyone who has a good grip on all this could check my numbers but I'm pretty sure they're right (or very close).I don't think a like on all of your posts is enough - from someone who struggles with the points system, these tables and explanatory posts have been amazing. Greatly appreciate the work you put into them.
We picked up a player who was contracted without offering to pay him more, do we have to match what Essendon offered for Dunkley, no because we had the original contract. Adam Treloarcame with a 900K a year price tag who pays what is the sticking point as it was a rushed last minute trade with no submitted financial details.PLAYERCARDSTART1Adam Treloar
- Age
- 31
- Ht
- 185cm
- Wt
- 84kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 28.2
- 5star
- K
- 12.9
- 5star
- HB
- 15.3
- 5star
- M
- 3.6
- 4star
- T
- 4.9
- 5star
- CL
- 4.6
- 5star
- D
- 30.3
- 5star
- K
- 16.3
- 5star
- HB
- 14.0
- 5star
- M
- 2.0
- 2star
- T
- 3.3
- 4star
- CL
- 5.8
- 5star
- D
- 18.0
- 5star
- K
- 11.2
- 4star
- HB
- 6.8
- 5star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 2.6
- 4star
- CL
- 1.6
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
Thanks. It would be appreciated if anyone who has a good grip on all this could check my numbers but I'm pretty sure they're right (or very close).
One thing I'm not certain of is if we have a residue of points after matching a bid do they immediately give us a new pick and throw away whatever residue is left on that pick or do they wait to see if there's a later bid on one of our FS/NGA players? It usually involves only a handful of points so it doesn't make a huge difference.
For example if we match a bid at pick 1 and have a residue of 89 points that residue will give us pick 66 (worth 80 points) and presumably the remaining 9 points are discarded. However if a pick for say MacPherson comes at pick 64 and we want to match it we'd need 81 points. Our pick 66 wouldn't be enough but if we could still use the leftover 9 points we'd be OK. I've assumed they'd let us use the 9 points.
Also the more I think about it the more imponderable it becomes with picks sliding up and down.
For instance in the edit I applied to the table I said that if a bid came at pick 3 we'd get pick 53 so whoever has pick 53 slides down one place to 54 and our pick 54 slides to pick 55. That seemed clear enough until I realised that if all that happened we'd also be turning four higher picks (picks 29,33,41,42) into one (pick 3) so in fact everything after pick 42 slides UP three places!
As I said, it's way too complex to try to layout all those permutations given the large number of FS and Academy players in this draft. Nonetheless the table I posted gives a pretty good indication of how we'd fare. It's just the later rounds of the draft that get particularly messy.