We don't have to accept any old crap out of Hawks. Swans held Papley when Carlton got too cute with a poor offer in a trade.
Holmes is a good winger as well though, not just defence. And he is only 21. And we lack outside class, and no one has put their hand up to make wing their own. It would not be a bad move. Especially if English ends up leaving as well. We could walk away with Holmes and a first round pick. Suddenly the midfield looks much better. Mates who are Cats fans rate him highly.
Always good to bring in young known commodities when you can though, Holmes is only 21.
Yeah I get that, I dunno anything about the kids just I see a lot of people suggest we trade our 2025 first this year because they’ll be high prospects, but that’s more reason to keep the pick. You still need to get the points to pick them up
Holmes only moved to defence this year because that's where the cats needed him. He is a much better and more natural outside/inside mid and if he gets traded that is where he will play.
And the other club will then ask why we were only offering a 2 year deal when they offered 5.
Player for player swaps especially of high quality players just don’t happen but it would be interesting.
You don't think we will be cleverer than this? We'll offer Smith a 5-year deal for 90% of the money that the other clubs are offering him, but only after we can be certain that he has his heart set on leaving up to the point that he gets traded. We played this very game with Dunkley.
Would be quite the get but surely he’s a must keep for Geelong.
It’s been Reported that Geelong have offered Holmes a 4 year deal but he hasn’t signed it yet
They can't get anywhere close to what rivals are offering so if he stays he will be taking a significant pay cut and much shorter contract. They will be hoping that their luck and history of players staying for unders continues.
Who are they paying their cap to?
And more likely than not - simply by virtue of the fact that Baz will be paid more than Holmes next year, whatever club each player ends up at - that the second round pick would actually go the other way, and we'd get Holmes + a 2nd round pick for Baz.
I'm honestly not sure, they do have 14 players out of contract this year and although some of those will get increases there are also some older guys and Bowes who will be getting pay cuts. All I was told is they're stretching at the moment.
We get the ginormous dick. They get the pool cleaner guy.
The Ollie Henry/Cooper Stephens/Tom Mitchell three-way trade answers both your questions if somewhat confusing because of the three-way-trade and salary dump elements of the trade made it somewhat confusing.
True, that answers the first question (Henry to Geelong), I had forgotten that one since it wasn't so easy to quantify but I'd certainly call him 1st round value. It doesn't answer the 2nd as I specifically am talking about between just 2 clubs - which require a coincidence of both clubs having players of that value wanting to trade between each other as we speculate in Holmes + Smith direct trades.
Lot harder to find sponsors willing to help you circumvent the cap and selling the idea that you're more likely to play in a premiership when you're not actually winning games of football in the most recent season.
I think he could well become one of the best wingers in the competition, as soon as this year. He has a brilliant combination of speed + skill. I don't think he leaves though, Cats should have plenty of cap space from next year.
