Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[dogwatch]

Hence we drafted Collins/Naughton/Young/Adams/Gards/JOD/Buss

Thanks, this demonstrates my point. The critical failure was the years 2017-2021. Which I'm sure I posted a couple of weeks ago but anyway ...

Collins drafted 2015 (gone by end of 2018)
Naughton 2017 (played one excellent season as an 18yo defender in 2018, never to be seen in defence again)
Young 2016 (22 games in 5 years, gone at end of 2021)
Adams 2015 (gone by end of 2018)
Gardner MSD 2019 (surprised how little appreciation he gets - at least he's still on the list and competitive)

then only stop gap trades until​

Buss 2022
JOD Cat B Rookie 2022

So apart from Gardner in the MSD we drafted no KPD between 2017 (after Naughton) until 2022.

 

[bresker]

If you don't think Sellwood can solve all of our problems next year then I've got some wood to sell you

do we have a backup for him

 

[JohnnySteel]

do we have a backup for him

Sellwood doesn’t need back up.

 

[dogwatch]

If only we had 2 in their early 20s showing promise

Come on Foxman, cut the sarcasm and read my posts.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I rate Sharp but would prefer a bigger point of difference in the midfield.

Agree he is gun, but not for us IMO

 

[Doggy]

Well this is depressing to log into

 

[hujsh]

Wood Sell or Sell Wood?

How much wood could a Sellwood sell?

 

[Sentinel]

Scott, Duryea, Poulter and Baker are all rookies.

Scott isn't/wasn't a rookie. He comes off the main list.

Our list balance is currently 34 main list (Jones, Scott) + 6 Cat A rookies (Duryea, Baker, Bramble, Poulter, McNeil, Sellwood, Walker) + 1 Cat B rookie (O'Donnell). The list rules are 36-38 main list, 4-6 Cat A rookies (to a combined 42 players), and 0-2 Cat B rookies.

As 3rd year rookies, Baker, Poulter and O'Donnell all require action (delist/upgrade/re-rookie via the draft).

 

[Insert Username Here]

At this point I'd want to bring in either May or Frost simply to add another veteran defender to the locker room to help teach Buss how to be an effective one on one defender.

 

[Munnez]

No, just have a plan to attract someone gettable (e.g. Tylar Young). We went for the 1% shot at Wilkie then asked a half hearted question of Butts.

Saints are having a real crack at SdK - where are we?

One thing to have a crack it's another to actually get it across the line. And if it happens it's more likely family ties than anything else that gets it done.

Realistically I don't think SDK is going anywhere.

 

[Foxman98]

Thanks, this demonstrates my point. The critical failure was the years 2017-2021. Which I'm sure I posted a couple of weeks ago but anyway ...

Collins drafted 2015 (gone by end of 2018)
Naughton 2017 (played one excellent season as an 18yo defender in 2018, never to be seen in defence again)
Young 2016 (22 games in 5 years, gone at end of 2021)
Adams 2015 (gone by end of 2018)
Gardner MSD 2019 (surprised how little appreciation he gets - at least he's still on the list and competitive)

then only stop gap trades until​

Buss 2022
JOD Cat B Rookie 2022

So apart from Gardner in the MSD we drafted no KPD between 2017 (after Naughton) until 2022.

In 2017 we had: Roberts/Roughead/Adams/Collins/Young/Morris/Cordy 4 ready made 3 developing (7 on list)
2018: Young/Trengrove/Cordy/Roberts/Roughead/Adams/Collins/Naughton/Morris 5 ready made 4 developing (9 on list)
2019: Young/Trengrove/Cordy/Roberts/Khamis/Morris/Gardner 6 ready made 1 developing
2020: Young/Trengrove/Cordy/Khamis/Keath/Gardner 5 ready made 1 developing

The years we could've targeted KPD that would be handy now we had an abundance on the list and there were also none available around our picks that were any good (Wilkie in the rookie draft is all I could find), We also "hit" on every first rounder in these drafts so wouldn't be changing them without using hindsight with how Baz has ended up

 

[Insert Username Here]

Realistically I don't think SDK is going anywhere.

Absolutely. If Geelong closed the door on a Marshall trade because the Saints were asking for SDK, we're not going to make any sort of offer that would make Geelong consider a trade. And I can't imagine he wants to join Carlton as part of a Curnow trade

 

[Mojorisin]

Scott isn't/wasn't a rookie. He comes off the main list.

Our list balance is currently 34 main list (Jones, Scott) + 6 Cat A rookies (Duryea, Baker, Bramble, Poulter, McNeil, Sellwood, Walker) + 1 Cat B rookie (O'Donnell). The list rules are 36-38 main list, 4-6 Cat A rookies (to a combined 42 players), and 0-2 Cat B rookies.

As 3rd year rookies, Baker, Poulter and O'Donnell all require action (delist/upgrade/re-rookie via the draft).

My apologies. He is mainline on my sheet I just can't read apparently.
O'Donnell is an easy choice, Baker and Poulter less so, cases could be made for both to re-rookie or delist.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

In 2017 we had: Roberts/Roughead/Adams/Collins/Young/Morris/Cordy 4 ready made 3 developing (7 on list)
2018: Young/Trengrove/Cordy/Roberts/Roughead/Adams/Collins/Naughton/Morris 5 ready made 4 developing (9 on list)
2019: Young/Trengrove/Cordy/Roberts/Khamis/Morris/Gardner 6 ready made 1 developing
2020: Young/Trengrove/Cordy/Khamis/Keath/Gardner 5 ready made 1 developing

The years we could've targeted KPD that would be handy now we had an abundance on the list and there were also none available around our picks that were any good (Wilkie in the rookie draft is all I could find), We also "hit" on every first rounder in these drafts so wouldn't be changing them without using hindsight with how Baz has ended up

Roughead wasn't a key defender for us in 2017 or 18, he was still very much a ruck.

If you're also going to count late career Morris, you also have to count Easton Wood for the entire time - neither played substantially different roles in terms of vanilla key forwards. Wood certainly played taller than his 186cm late in his career.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

My apologies. He is mainline on my sheet I just can't read apparently.
O'Donnell is an easy choice, Baker and Poulter less so, cases could be made for both to re-rookie or delist.

I think Baker remaining on our team is a pretty straightforward decision, he was clearly best 22 on form late in the piece.

 

[Doggies7]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to use their time however they please, but there may not be a bigger waste of your time on here (except discussion Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

trade ideas with Big Floppa) than suggesting sending Naughton to the back line. It clearly is not going to happen at this point and he just had a fantastic year in one of the most important positions on the footy field (CHF), where he was borderline All Australian. That would then leave us with just Darcy and a still skinny and developing Croft to hold up the forward line, opposition teams would absolutely love that and just send two to Darcy all game.

 

[TheScriptorWL]

Nothing I've seen from JOD and Buss inspires belief that a singular pre-season will put a rocket up em. We'll be fighting for the 8 again.

The entire defensive structure needs to change.

 

[Foxman98]

Roughead wasn't a key defender for us in 2017 or 18, he was still very much a ruck.

If you're also going to count late career Morris, you also have to count Easton Wood for the entire time - neither played substantially different roles in terms of vanilla key forwards. Wood certainly played taller than his 186cm late in his career.

Was more going off who was on the list who had played KPD at the time

Was tossing up adding in Wood/Crozier/Williams who all played taller but this is the thing at the time we had a tall list

 

[_Cerberus_]

I'm guessing they take the weekend off and we won't hear any more news until Monday?

 

[Blewdog]

Sorry to go against this boards darling but JOD is flat out bad. He doesn't read the play well and is slow. If we are hoping another pre-season miraculously makes him better, then the club is nuts.

 

[Dogsfan1]

Nothing I've seen from JOD and Buss inspires belief that a singular pre-season will put a rocket up em. We'll be fighting for the 8 again.

The entire defensive structure needs to change.

Buss is 21 hasnt had a preseason and Jod is only 23 there young they will improve

 

[Foxman98]

Josh Schache

19

Josh Schache

Age

28

Ht

199cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.8

4star

was the big killer

25 and 40 in 2017 could've been Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

(28) Tom McCartin

30

Tom Mccartin

Age

25

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

129.5

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

87.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

168.0

3star

(33) Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

(37) or Charlie Ballard

10

Charlie Ballard

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

185.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

158.9

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

156.0

3star

(42) Jack Payne (54)

 

[Mojorisin]

I think Baker remaining on our team is a pretty straightforward decision, he was clearly best 22 on form late in the piece.

I agree on Baker
Personally I think Poulter gets Re-rookied Unless Khamis is held to his contract.

 

[Sentinel]

My apologies. He is mainline on my sheet I just can't read apparently.
O'Donnell is an easy choice, Baker and Poulter less so, cases could be made for both to re-rookie or delist.

As things stand after the trade period we probably have 33 on the main list (add Budarick, trade JUH and Khamis). Upgrading JOD gets us back to 34.

I'd probably delist one of JJ/Coffield and also Poulter, upgrade Baker (or maybe re-rookie) and go to the draft with 3 main list spots + 1 rookie spot to hold open for SSP. Question mark on the 2nd of JJ/Coffield if we wanted another selection.

 

[Doggy]

I'm guessing they take the weekend off and we won't hear any more news until Monday?

Any more news on what? We aren't doing diddly squat