List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[Oshka]

B: Nyoun Miller Mansell
HB: D.Rioli Balta Stack
C: Short Graham Baker
HF Castagna Ryan Parker
F: MRJ Colina Bolton
R: Soldo RCD Ross
INT: Dow Ralphsmith Martyn

Melbourne’s under 26 side would beat this team by 150 points.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Time to step up RFC, They will want points and possibly futures.


Like I said before 38 and 40 plus a future third for their future fourth and 23

I’m not a fan of trading out 2 x decent picks just to get to 23. Everything you read suggests there’s a decent amount of doubt about the selections from 20-40 …. so why give up 2 x chances to snag a gem or even 2 x gems for just one chance at 23 if the draft order is not clear cut ? And by the time the Dogs and Pies match bids 38 and 40 will come in to around 33 and 35 won’t they? 33 & 35 for 23 …. No thanks !!




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[daird]

I’m not a fan of trading out 2 x decent picks just to get to 23. Everything you read suggests there’s a decent amount of doubt about the selections from 20-40 …. so why give up 2 x chances to snag a gem or even 2 x gems for just one chance at 23 if the draft order is not clear cut ? And by the time the Dogs and Pies match bids 38 and 40 will come in to around 33 and 35 won’t they? 33 & 35 for 23 …. No thanks !!




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Don't think we have the room on our list to take all 6 picks, we'll need to make a harsh call or two just to take 5.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Appearances can be deceiving. Just because we kept playing the older guys it does mean that our intention was to make finals, during the second half of the season. Instead of simply hoisting the white flag we kept fielding our 'best' team, but everyone knew we were dead in the water.


Melbourne had a dream run last year with barely any injuries impacting their best players, while we had a revolving door of players missing games, coming back early and playing through injuries. Unlikely that both happen again.



We looked slow and tired because we came off the shortest of preseasons with a number of players also having even shorter training blocks because of recovery from surgery. It's not a coincidence that the other 3 preliminary finalists also fell in a heap in the latter part of the season as well.

Now we're getting a full break, will be having everyone fit and firing for day 1 of preseason with a renewed hunger. The last time we hit a season with a renewed hunger we won the flag by 15 goals. Not saying that will happen again, but all things being equal we could well be right there again come Grand Final Day.

I don't believe that will be the case though, I think we're taking a step backwards and will be developing the likes of RCD Dow Ross Mansell Ralphsmith Miller Martyn Ryan Nyoun plus any draftee that is good enough to push into the side.

For mine the club is having an each way bet on next season, take a shot at a possible 4th flag if things go well, but more focused on the next era of success.

 

[Barnard]

Picks 28, 38, 40 to Essendon for 2022 1st round pick + 51
Values first round pick @ 12

Then delist Garthwaite and Egg, re-sign Cumberland, Nyuon, Miller. Stack and Parker
Get Schlensog as a DFA

Go to the draft with 7,15,26,51
Then will have two 2022 first round picks and two 2022 second round picks.

Yep, very much along the same lines as what I’m hoping we do. I’m more inclined to take a state league forward tho instead of Schleong but happy with any KPP trust the club know what they need.

 

[Noidnadroj]

We need a backup ruck forward from sanfl ,wafl etc we're thin there can't rely on Ryan still young and Colina won't even be at the club till March if his ready.Don't want to hear Balta can go there.Nank has injuries and Soldo just coming from a major one.

How many rucks you want? You can’t develop a list on the off chance you get 3 x injuries in the one position.

A dud ruck is a dud ruck …. look at Hunter from Saints as an example. We’d be better off rucking with Broad or Lynch in the event that Nank, Soldo, Ryan and Balta are all injured.

Don’t waste a list spot on a slow moving glacier like Hunter or some other D-grade ruck back-up.


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[Karp3_dm]

I disagree with this
North have nothing to lose by bidding on Daicos to wipe out their points as they should, Pies have assured Daicos he will be a Pie and have traded away their picks to ensure they have the points to match. Noth have picks 42 & 47 which would come foward enabling them to take better placed juniors and add more value. They have nothing to lose and leave GWS to bid on darcy

Apart from JHF will miss out on the honor of being pick 1 and collecting the 20k prize from NAB

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Daniel Talia

12

Daniel Talia

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

169.9

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.1

2star

MG

187.6

3star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.4

5star

has retired….

 

[Greg Tivendale]

How many of them won a flag of played in a GF at all, let alone in their first year? None.

I have no doubt we can get a great arsenal of great players from this draft who can contribute greatly to long term success over the next 5-10 years- but legit players who can swing a game come finals? not really. Bailey Smith is the only one i would put in that category, & to be honest its taken him 3 years to become that player. Tom Green is close but he actually was sub-par in his one finals game. He looked over-awed.

Its incredibly hard to re-tool for a grand final via the draft. This is our issue - we are in a "no mans land" a bit. Are we building for the future or are we gunning for a bounce back flag? When people answer both - history really shows that is not a genuine answer

Bowey playing in and won a grand final in his first year. He had a good game too.

Butters, Duursma etc close but we know how that went...............

We get a ready made player at 7 he could help the side. No doubt about it. We don't need a ready made match winner as we already have those (Dusty, Riewoldt, Lynch, Bolton). We just need someone that can come in, play their role and improve the side. I've no doubt the draft could deliver that.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Bowey playing in and won a grand final in his first year. He had a good game too.

Butters, Duursma etc close but we know how that went...............

We get a ready made player at 7 he could help the side. No doubt about it. We don't need a ready made match winner as we already have those (Dusty, Riewoldt, Lynch, Bolton). We just need someone that can come in, play their role and improve the side. I've no doubt the draft could deliver that.

Very true dat...and also that player need not play every game of the Season...just managed...

 

[Tuckster]

For those asking about Biggie- he has re-signed with Richmond he just hasn’t said for how long - I am guessing 2yrs but when I asked him he said he has signed on

 

[lvt06]

For those asking about Biggie- he has re-signed with Richmond he just hasn’t said for how long - I am guessing 2yrs but when I asked him he said he has signed on

You could have told us at 10:20

 

[Roachy8]

Dont care what it takes we simply must get Blake Schlensog to the Tigers!

Not since the days of Robbie "tripod" Nahas and Andy '3 wet towels' Collins has there been such a great opportunity to bring a big Schlensog to the club and more importantly, the many hours of juvenile and inane posts on Big Footy that it would provide.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

For those asking about Biggie- he has re-signed with Richmond he just hasn’t said for how long - I am guessing 2yrs but when I asked him he said he has signed on

Length might be only 4 weeks.

 

[DickieKnee]

Melbourne’s under 26 side would beat this team by 150 points.

Yeah but the 2 clubs are at different stages of development. We have just come off one of our most successful 4 year spells in our history. The Dees are smack bang in the middle of their window.

 

[Hoos]

Yeah, I’ve noticed that Richmond either go all out or basically do nothing too. We have much less ‘mildly successful’ seasons than many other teams (except for the 2013-2015 period, where we were mildly successful).

It’s been like this since the early 40s I think. Outside of the 2013-2015 era, we have missed the PF while making finals twice. Twice from 1942-2013. All the other seasons including those after 2015 are either PF (and better) or out of finals altogether.

I guess it’s go hard or go home with us

And when we're successful, as in around the mark for making or winning grand finals, we're right near or at the top for a few years and then we drop off altogether.

3 grand finals in a row 1919-1921
7 out of 8 grand finals from 1927-1934
4 out of 5 grand finals from 1940-1944
5 out of 8 grand finals from 1967-1974 (and third in 1975)
2 out of 3 grand finals 1980-1982
3 out of 4 grand finals 2017-2020*

*judging by our history we may not be quite finished yet

 

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[lumpinee]

And when we're successful, as in around the mark for making or winning grand finals, we're right near or at the top for a few years and then we drop off altogether.

3 grand finals in a row 1919-1921
7 out of 8 grand finals from 1927-1934
4 out of 5 grand finals from 1940-1944
5 out of 8 grand finals from 1967-1974 (and third in 1975)
2 out of 3 grand finals 1980-1982
3 out of 4 grand finals 2017-2020*

*judging by our history we may not be quite finished yet

should have 18 flags

 

[Greg Tivendale]

And when we're successful, as in around the mark for making or winning grand finals, we're right near or at the top for a few years and then we drop off altogether.

3 grand finals in a row 1919-1921
7 out of 8 grand finals from 1927-1934
4 out of 5 grand finals from 1940-1944
5 out of 8 grand finals from 1967-1974 (and third in 1975)
2 out of 3 grand finals 1980-1982
3 out of 4 grand finals 2017-2020*

*judging by our history we may not be quite finished yet

The biggest difference now is the club is financially strong with great culture. I can easily see Richmond doing what Geelong does and constantly stay thereabouts in the mix, however my main concern has always been when our elite talent got older and finishes up e.g. Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt. I'd expect a drop when they all finish up

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Do they have enough open list spots to take all the picks into the draft?
I’m not really across the list but I know at one point they needed to delist like 4 more players to open up enough spots

No doubt they have a few spuds they can easily part with.

 

[Mr Magic]

I’m not a fan of trading out 2 x decent picks just to get to 23. Everything you read suggests there’s a decent amount of doubt about the selections from 20-40 …. so why give up 2 x chances to snag a gem or even 2 x gems for just one chance at 23 if the draft order is not clear cut ? And by the time the Dogs and Pies match bids 38 and 40 will come in to around 33 and 35 won’t they? 33 & 35 for 23 …. No thanks !!




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How do you get 33 and 35? If they take out the Geelong picks maybe. At the moment its 37 and 39 after matching bids and thats not factoring in the Saints and others

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Yeah but the 2 clubs are at different stages of development. We have just come off one of our most successful 4 year spells in our history. The Dees are smack bang in the middle of their window.

That was the point though. Where are we 'right now' in terms of our younger players stepping up

 

[tigs2010]

Who the **** is bottom right? Mitchell is just in there to make it look interesting as the rest are shit or 40 years old.

 

[Oshka]

Yeah but the 2 clubs are at different stages of development. We have just come off one of our most successful 4 year spells in our history. The Dees are smack bang in the middle of their window.

Yes, that is a contributing factor.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

The biggest difference now is the club is financially strong with great culture. I can easily see Richmond doing what Geelong does and constantly stay thereabouts in the mix, however my main concern has always been when our elite talent got older and finishes up e.g. Cotchin, Martin, Rance, Riewoldt. I'd expect a drop when they all finish up

Just those 4 alone make an awesome quaddie...without chucking in Nank and Grimes, Lynch, Edwards...