List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 8

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MidfielderMidfield/ForwardSmall/Medium ForwardKPFSmall/Medium DefenderKPDRuck
Under 21McAuliffeClarke
Banks		Campbell
Green		FawcettSmith
Brown		Gibcus
21-23Dow
Ross		SonsieM.Rioli
Coulthard
Cumberland
Mansell		Bauer
Koschitzke		Trezise
Ralphsmith		Ryan
Hayes-Brown
24-27Graham
Taranto		Bolton
Baker		Balta
Lefau		D.RioliMiller
Young		Colina
28-30Hopper
McIntosh		Short
Vlastuin		Nankervis
30+Prestia
Martin		PickettLynchBroad
Grimes		Naismith

Thought something like this may help people gain a better idea about how our list build is currently structured and where the weaknesses are with regarding the type of players that we should be looking at either at the trade/free agency table or in the draft itself.

The first thing that stands out is the lack of young midfield talent. We have Ross Dow Sonsie Banks Clarke & McAuliffe that are 23 or younger, quite simply that just isn't enough, we need more and it needs to be quality both inside and out the square. By putting together a strong young group, they will be able to grow and develop together so that when they hit their peak, they have a good 75-100 games under their belts playing together as a unit and we'll still have the likes of Taranto & Hopper as the leaders of the group. Thankfully we're in a strong position at the draft table to address this area.

The second area that stands out is obviously the KPP/Ruck stocks. Lynch is closer to the end that the peak of his career and while he can still have a few good years leading the forward line we need to find a running mate to partner with Balta(should they leave him forward) for when Lynch is no longer around. Koschitzke hasn't started his time at Richmond well but there is still time, but it's going to need to be a big turn around if he is going to be the answer. Behind Koschitzke is a trio of untried unproven talent. Lefau has excited some in the VFL games, but being honest it's just flashes that we see. He still needs to build consistency to show he can be a possible answer. Bauer has been more consistent than Lefau, but has been missing so far this year so we have no idea where he fits in to Yzes plans until he gets out on the park. Fawcett is even more of a mystery, had track watchers feeling good about him, but is another who we haven't seen yet. So more questions than answers up forward.

Down the other end, there are even more concerns as we've now seen Gibcus missing 2 years of development due to injuries who was going to be the cornerstone of the back line moving forward, Miller has been here for 7 seasons and has managed 25 games without ever really locking himself into the best 22, well as a result of Gibcus going down, Miller now has the chance to step up and become that long term KPD we've been searching for since Rance & Astbury departed. Miller has all the attributes to be a solid KPD, 198cm & 97kg(apparently) has good skills, can take a grab, and has shown calmness and composure down back so far this year in the VFL game. Young is in his second year and has progressed at a remarkable rate since winning a spot on the list in 2022. It would be incredibly handy if both Miller & Young can stand up and fill the void as it would take pressure of Gibcus and allow him to focus on rehabilitation and getting back on the park without thinking it's all up to him.

As far as the rucks go Nankervis and Naismith are a good pairing that should get us through the year without much worry, but behind them Ryan still has lots of question marks, Hayes-Brown is raw as can be and Colina has a bad back that has flared up yet again this year. So we're definitely going to need to add at least a combination of 2-3 KPP/Rucks to the list at seasons end.

The 2 areas that we have good depth at is the small/medium forwards & defenders, with the defenders having shown more class and talent at the moment and is probably the strongest area of the list for us from both a present and future perspective. Daniel Short and Vlastuin are here for the next 3-4 years and the likes of Brown & Trezise showed plenty of good signs both last year and so far this year to suggest they can eventually step in and replace Grimes and Broad in time.

Up forward we have players that divide opinions. First up is Maurice, son of one of our past greats, who hasn't quite hit the heights the name brings with it, but he is still just 21 and is being afforded opportunity at the moment to stake a claim for a long term future, defensively he is quite good, but we need more from him offensively to become a genuine small forward threat. Mansell has fought hard to get himself into the senior side, but hasn't yet convinced anyone that he can be a long term option. Campbell has shown good signs in his first 2 games at the level, but we've seen that before, especially from the next name on the list, Cumberland. Cumberland came in guns blazing and got plenty of fans excited about what could be. Unfortunately Noah hasn't quite come on for reasons that cause plenty of discussion, be it Hardwick screwed with his mind or he hasn't addressed the weaknesses in his game, he needs to find something this season or it could be his last. He has all the talent to become a dangerous medium forward, but he can't just be an attacking weapon. Coulthard is possibly our most natural small forward with a good mix of attack & defensive work, but currently finds himself down the pecking order after and interrupted preseason. Green was recruited as a midfield/defender and has been trained up as a small forward. He has a knack of finding himself in the right spot to hit the scoreboard and works up and down the ground well.
 

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Bojangles17 said:
Can someone tell me who the brain space was that passed over shoenmarkers Gun kpp, 34p 15 marks first VFL game and has been killing it in scratch matches while our blokes out with a bad back at 18yo ,,,you can’t make this stuff up
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If you mean an intercept defender (cause that's something we're definitely lacking) that was suspended for 10 weeks due to encouraging underage drinking despite supposedly being a "leader", as well as unconfirmed and alleged rumours of bullying a mentally disabled kid, a highly rated talent doesn't slide to pick 62 (wasn't like St Kilda were desperate to draft him either, with Schoenmaker being the 3rd last player drafted), and passed up by 17 teams for no good reason.

Maybe you can ask whether Kaleb Smith was the right pick over Thomas Scully (both would've been speculative picks at the time of the draft), but asking why we picked a key fwd over an intercept defender who's actually known for kicking the ball a long distance more than his actual defending isn't that hard to understand why.
 
TheOptimum18 said:
If you mean an intercept defender (cause that's something we're definitely lacking) that was suspended for 10 weeks due to encouraging underage drinking despite supposedly being a "leader", as well as unconfirmed and alleged rumours of bullying a mentally disabled kid, a highly rated talent doesn't slide to pick 62 (wasn't like St Kilda were desperate to draft him either, with Schoenmaker being the 3rd last player drafted), and passed up by 17 teams for no good reason.

Maybe you can ask whether Kaleb Smith was the right pick over Thomas Scully (both would've been speculative picks at the time of the draft), but asking why we picked a key fwd over an intercept defender who's actually known for kicking the ball a long distance more than his actual defending isn't that hard to understand why.
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I take it there were sound reading seeing he slipped so far however we have made concessions before and backed ourselves , only saving grace is these kids are likely back in 2028 but compo will be solid
 
Bojangles17 said:
I take it there were sound reading seeing he slipped so far however we have made concessions before and backed ourselves , only saving grace is these kids are likely back in 2028 but compo will be solid
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Currently, our culture can barely stop players giving away stupid free kicks/50m penalties, with players like Pickett having issues in the off season, and players like Stack not changing at all (by all reports).

Also, despite having been suspended for 10 games last year (at his local club, I believe), the Saints have sent him to the VFL once a week because of "fitness" issues, despite coming off a preseason.

Doesn't seem like a person who has learnt from past off-field issues.
 
db26 said:
Short is tradeable people protect him to much goes missing and goes soft at times.
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Can't just trade every experienced player out, people even saying trade Bolton who is only 25.
What would our team be like without Vlaustin, Short, Bolton & Baker? we'd get pumped every week.
 
Daka said:
Can't just trade every experienced player out, people even saying trade Bolton who is only 25.
What would our team be like without Vlaustin, Short, Bolton & Baker? we'd get pumped every week.
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Short is trade able half back flanker recruit them anywhere Bolton no people living in fairyland.
 

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db26 said:
Short is trade able half back flanker recruit them anywhere Bolton no people living in fairyland.
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With our retirements over the last couple, I wouldn't be trading any of those guys, I would be keeping them going to the draft the next few years with picks and getting kids to develop under them.
 
Daka said:
With our retirements over the last couple, I wouldn't be trading any of those guys, I would be keeping them going to the draft the next few years with picks and getting kids to develop under them.
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Hard calls need to be made on a few players , get some quality picks hit the draft hard before Tasmania destroy it.
 
Updated list of free agents - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1094814...-unrestricted-free-agents-for-the-2024-season

Harry Perryman sticks out to me as an unrestricted free agent. Would slot straight into a wing position for either McIntosh/Pickett or allow Ross to play midfield. He's clean and skillful. Would be a good get.
Josh Battle in unrestricted but Saints will offer him a heap to stay anyway. Can't see him leaving.
Ollie Florent also UFA. Would be a nice pickup. Fast and good kick.

Cumberland not listed so he mustn't have been delisted and re-listed as reported by some.

JGTI UFA too. Reckon he's gone.
 
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tiger_tough said:
Updated list of free agents - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1094814...-unrestricted-free-agents-for-the-2024-season

Harry Perryman sticks out to me as an unrestricted free agent. Would slot straight into a wing position for either McIntosh/Pickett or allow Ross to play midfield. He's clean and skillful. Would be a good get.
Josh Battle in unrestricted but Saints will offer him a heap to stay anyway. Can't see him leaving.
Ollie Florent also UFA. Would be a nice pickup. Fast and good kick.

Cumberland not listed so he mustn't have been delisted and re-listed as reported by some.

JGTI UFA too. Reckon he's gone.
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Any of Perryman, Florent and Isaac Cumming would be significant upgrades on what we have on our wings atm.
 
db26 said:
Hard calls need to be made on a few players , get some quality picks hit the draft hard before Tasmania destroy it.
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Get your take but you can't just jettison all our experience and leadership like Hawks did. Short is a heart and soul type, a leader and a premiership player, we're gonna need him while the kids develop to help steer the ship and set standards. You gotta draw a line somewhere when it comes to raking in picks, Short would be just about untouchable.
 
Bojangles17 said:
Can someone tell me who the brain space was that passed over shoenmarkers Gun kpp, 34p 15 marks first VFL game and has been killing it in scratch matches while our blokes out with a bad back at 18yo ,,,you can’t make this stuff up
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He hasn't even played a senior game yet bo
 
Bojangles17 said:
I take it there were sound reading seeing he slipped so far however we have made concessions before and backed ourselves , only saving grace is these kids are likely back in 2028 but compo will be solid
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Also had to be on a modified program due to issues with fitness and professionalism.

A lot of red flags. Yes we’ve made concessions in the past, but it hasn’t always worked out (e.g. Sydney Stack).

Also may be some concern with our leaders during 2017-2020 are starting to retire.
 
Cumbo not a UFA due to being reinstated to the list in 2021

www.afl.com.au

Who's on the table? Full list of 2024 free agents revealed

The AFL has confirmed its list of players that qualify for free agency in 2024
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

Jack Graham
Dylan Grimes
Dustin Martin
Kamdyn McIntosh
Toby Nankervis
Dion Prestia
Ben Miller*
Sam Naismith*
Mate Colina*

*Previously delisted
 
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