Trade hypotheticals

[The Falcon Strike]

I would give our 2nd round compo so around pick 26 for McGovern.
Rate him highly and plays a range of positions.
Not sure what the eagles would want in terms of a player from us.

We wouldn't be trading him so lightly.

A guy with no conditioning playing as he is. Leading the AFL averages (or was) for contested marks.

We would be after established mids to complement out current side.

Again this is all hypothetical as he has just signed an extension and is talking up loyalty etc

It seems to be that WB have a battery of high quality young mids and we have an array of high quality talls. Tie in our strong trading history - it would seem logical that we both trade for positions of needs.

You would be attaining your best KPF so we would need a quality mid in return.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

McGovern is a very tricky case. Has played some huge games, has very nice attributes, but we're largely drawing from an extremely small sample size for somebody with concerns around work ethic/dedication (before a WC fan jumps on me, yes he did what he was asked - but there are still concerns there). On talent he's worth a pick somewhere around 10 but the limited sample size and other issues likely drops his value on an open market. If he were to be traded I think he'd probably get a pick somewhere around 16-20ish. I imagine a side like Hawthorn would happily trade their first.

So in other words, I think the Eagles are much better off keeping him for now, even if they're not sure of his role in the side going forward. Regardless, I see McGovern as a future KPD that locks down a spot in their best 22 with relative ease.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

McGovern is a very tricky case. Has played some huge games, has very nice attributes, but we're largely drawing from an extremely sample size for somebody with concerns around work ethic/dedication (before a WC fan jumps on me, yes he did what he was asked - but there are still concerns there). On talent he's worth a pick somewhere around 10 but the limited sample size and other issues likely drops his value on an open market. If he were to be traded I think he'd probably get a pick somewhere around 16-20ish. I imagine a side like Hawthorn would happily trade their first.

So in other words, I think the Eagles are much better off keeping him for now, even if they're not sure of his role in the side going forward. Regardless, I see McGovern as a future KPD that locks down a spot in their best 22 with relative ease.

Your thoughts echo mine

He is a bit of an unknown - IMO could be one of the great KP players in the comp, or could fade into nothing. Makes him hard to peg. I agree we will keep him because I don't think we'd get fair value for him

Personally, I would prefer seeing McGovern at CHF - with his skill set and kicking ability he "could" be a real weapon.

 

[verypoorboy]

What is Jono Patton worth now that he's got a long term injury? Would top 10 pick get it done or would it still strictly be either a number 1 pick/superstar player?

 

[Hayes4PM]

What is Jono Patton worth now that he's got a long term injury? Would top 10 pick get it done or would it still strictly be either a number 1 pick/superstar player?

He just re-signed until 2017.

 

[West Coast Warrior]

Long time between posts mate ! Either you are very naive or a troll . Poor trade idea anyway

The fact you use 'they' instead of 'we' makes me think you are not a WCE supporter

My aren't you the detective . . . I'm a 23 year WC member mate ... how long you been around? I've missed 2 home games in 12 years, including finals, was at the '05 and '06 GF and attend all pre-season matches each year. I've got a small idea of what WC have, need and can afford to give up.

They aren't going anywhere with the midfield they have, 'we' need power, height and speed through the middle. Petracca ticks all boxes, plus he kicks goals and will go top 3 in the draft. He is a Judd-like generational player. Rather than take a douchey shot at me, why not engage in the discussion.

Your comment was troll-like, where as mine was on the topic of the thread 'trade hypothetical's'.

West Coast need to manufacture a top 1 to 5 pick - Petracca and others like Peter Wright then come into play. But they will need to trade hard and give up experience and quality in order to compete for these trade places if they go that way. They would be mad not to test the waters.

 

[West Coast Warrior]

Your thoughts echo mine

He is a bit of an unknown - IMO could be one of the great KP players in the comp, or could fade into nothing. Makes him hard to peg. I agree we will keep him because I don't think we'd get fair value for him

Personally, I would prefer seeing McGovern at CHF - with his skill set and kicking ability he "could" be a real weapon.

WC will almost certainly want to keep him, he is the Adam Hunter like swing man that they have been trying to develop or nurture since 2008.

 

[Tragic sainter]

My aren't you the detective . . . I'm a 23 year WC member mate ... how long you been around? I've missed 2 home games in 12 years, including finals, was at the '05 and '06 GF and attend all pre-season matches each year. I've got a small idea of what WC have, need and can afford to give up.

They aren't going anywhere with the midfield they have, 'we' need power, height and speed through the middle. Petracca ticks all boxes, plus he kicks goals and will go top 3 in the draft. He is a Judd-like generational player. Rather than take a douchey shot at me, why not engage in the discussion.

Your comment was troll-like, where as mine was on the topic of the thread 'trade hypothetical's'.

West Coast need to manufacture a top 1 to 5 pick - Petracca and others like Peter Wright then come into play. But they will need to trade hard and give up experience and quality in order to compete for these trade places if they go that way. They would be mad not to test the waters.

Your most likely going to need pick 1 to get petracca so what are you prepared to give us for him?

 

[West Coast Warrior]

Wellingham and Masten

or

How about LeCras and Pick 8(ish)

This is very much about the future - so no ones off the table

 

[TheLastEmperor]

Wellingham and Masten

or

How about LeCras and Pick 8(ish)

This is very much about the future - so no ones off the table

Pick 1 is Dangerfield/Beams/Heppel territory, you are gonna need to offer up a lot more.

 

[Tragic sainter]

Wellingham and Masten

or

How about LeCras and Pick 8(ish)

This is very much about the future - so no ones off the table

A spud + a spud doesn't = the number 1 draft pick

Lecras is too old

 

[West Coast Warrior]

Fair enough, it would need to be a big move - how about we use this equation as a guide: Judd = pick 3 and 20 + Kennedy

Petracca is unproven, doesn't have a brownlow or premiership medal, nor Captain of a club. So the currency must be lower, however I do concede that Judd was uncontracted and leaving anyway, so it was a bit of a fire sale from WC point of view.

So how about something like this-

Pick 1 = two first round picks + McGovern or Gaff, or Sheuy

 

[ArdentEagle]

Fair enough, it would need to be a big move - how about we use this equation as a guide: Judd = pick 3 and 20 + Kennedy

Petracca is unproven, doesn't have a brownlow or premiership medal, nor Captain of a club. So the currency must be lower, however I do concede that Judd was uncontracted and leaving anyway, so it was a bit of a fire sale from WC point of view.

So how about something like this-

Pick 1 = two first round picks + McGovern or Gaff, or Sheuy

That is a BIG call.
What makes you think Petracca is that good?
Totally unproven at AFL level.

 

[verypoorboy]

Fair enough, it would need to be a big move - how about we use this equation as a guide: Judd = pick 3 and 20 + Kennedy

Petracca is unproven, doesn't have a brownlow or premiership medal, nor Captain of a club. So the currency must be lower, however I do concede that Judd was uncontracted and leaving anyway, so it was a bit of a fire sale from WC point of view.

So how about something like this-

Pick 1 = two first round picks + McGovern or Gaff, or Sheuy

I'd be very unhappy if I was a WC supporter and that trade eventuated.
Edit: I think a Shuey and a first rounder is plenty.

 

[Determinant]

That is a BIG call.
What makes you think Petracca is that good?
Totally unproven at AFL level.

100% agree, but saints should readily accept 2 first round picks (nfi where the 2nd one comes from) plus McGovern for pick 1 in this draft.
If they didn't they'd be mad, so would WC if they offered it for mine.

 

[DT_35]

No Pick 1 unless Darling is involved

 

[West Coast Warrior]

That is a BIG call.
What makes you think Petracca is that good?
Totally unproven at AFL level.

Its a big move and a big bet I agree, but the kid is ready to go and will have an impact no matter where he ends up. Simply he is the type of player WC needs right now to move forward. I'm not sure the others I've mentioned (apart from McGovern) will assist in that. WC need to do something ballsy to move forward, safe draft picks since Judd left and the whole Cousin's debacle have really hurt the club (I still can't get over passing up Ballantyne, after his 75 goal season in the WAFL for Tom Swift. Ballantyne went to Freo the very next pick).

 

[pokerspiv]

Fair enough, it would need to be a big move - how about we use this equation as a guide: Judd = pick 3 and 20 + Kennedy

Petracca is unproven, doesn't have a brownlow or premiership medal, nor Captain of a club. So the currency must be lower, however I do concede that Judd was uncontracted and leaving anyway, so it was a bit of a fire sale from WC point of view.

So how about something like this-

Pick 1 = two first round picks + McGovern or Gaff, or Sheuy

You would have to give up someone like Darling or Kennedy to get pick 1, they aren't going to give it up for a bunch of also rans.

 

[thetradesman]

What would Sumner be worth for giants fans?

 

[coniglio_number1]

Worth more to keep than what we could get in a trade. From all reports he is happy and loves the club. Helps make the banners that the boys run through.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Worth more to keep than what we could get in a trade. From all reports he is happy and loves the club. Helps make the banners that the boys run through.

Had a chuckle at that "makes the banners that the boys run through" shouldn't he be putting in effort to actually get games?

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

My aren't you the detective . . .

Why has it taken you 6 years to make 2 posts ?

I'm a 23 year WC member mate ...

Congratulations

I've missed 2 home games in 12 years, including finals, was at the '05 and '06 GF and attend all pre-season matches each year.

Well good for you .

They aren't going anywhere with the midfield they have, 'we' need power, height and speed through the middle. Petracca ticks all boxes, plus he kicks goals and will go top 3 in the draft.

I agree apart from height every team wants him.

He is a Judd-like generational player.

Wow and he hasn't even played a game yet . If he is that good let's just give him 2 brownlows now then .

I've got a small idea of what WC have, need and can afford to give up.

Yep this is what I agree with most .
Masten and wellingham have little trade value yet you think we can use them to snag a top pick .
I 100% agree our midfield needs work but your trade ideas are naive

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

Worth more to keep than what we could get in a trade. From all reports he is happy and loves the club. Helps make the banners that the boys run through.

I love that.

We get players to come down to our banner nights sometimes, they're always fantastic with supporters. Good on him.

 

[RossFC]

With Cam O'Shea to St Kilda being a rumour, I've read on the Port board that Saints fans would offer their 3rd rounder (37), Dogs fan even offered their 2nd rounder (24).

Interested to hear the thoughts of Vic club supporters about him and what you would offer?

 

[go you pups]

Or Higgins compo RossFC