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Beer n Skittles said:
Would you look to package the 3 into a first rounder (at george2 said, if you can get them to all agree to go to the one club)?
I imagine you'd only use the 3 draft picks, which would make 2nd rounders after your early 2nd round pick useless anyway.
Would it need to be a couple of picks higher, say Melbourne compo pick (3)?
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Mate, there are so many permutations that will affect our strategy. Firstly our own re-signings, we have a couple of our highest profile kids which we are trying to re-sign. We also need to see if Melbourne gets pick 3 compo (which I believe is a given).

I'd imagine we are looking at offering St Kilda a player/pick combo to get their upgrade. I'd imagine the Demons are looking at doing something similar with us if they have the luxury of two selections. If that doesn't come off I'd imagine we would try to do a deal to upgrade our end of round 1 and a player/s to get an early 1st rounder (up to pick 8).

Its so hard to know what will happen but I certainly would not rule out a multiple player swap to a team if the deal is right. I just want healthy competition to ensure we get good value.
 
Andre the Giant said:
Mate, there are so many permutations that will affect our strategy. Firstly our own re-signings, we have a couple of our highest profile kids which we are trying to re-sign. We also need to see if Melbourne gets pick 3 compo (which I believe is a given).

I'd imagine we are looking at offering St Kilda a player/pick combo to get their upgrade. I'd imagine the Demons are looking at doing something similar with us if they have the luxury of two selections. If that doesn't come off I'd imagine we would try to do a deal to upgrade our end of round 1 and a player/s to get an early 1st rounder (up to pick 8).

Its so hard to know what will happen but I certainly would not rule out a multiple player swap to a team if the deal is right. I just want healthy competition to ensure we get good value.
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Thanks, yeah I did see somewhere that GWS are pretty keen on upgrading to get Petracca.
I wasn't suggesting the trade would happen, just throwing it out there. 'Trade hypotheticals' & all that.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Is it really that far out? O'Rourke has had several hamstring problems that go right back to his junior career and has managed only nine average games in two years. Jaksch and Frost have shown nice signs but neither have been able to hold down a spot in a side crippled by key defensive injuries. Add in the fact that they've elected to leave - you don't have a say in the matter - and their market value isn't that high.

I don't think the pick 6 + Robinson deal is quite there but if you're expecting a lot more than that I would imagine you're going to be disappointed.
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You don't think 3 well rated (2 very high draft picks) that have had 2 years development is not too much for pick 6 and a bloke who is mid 20's and just delisted for disciplinary reasons?? O'Rourke's lack of games has been a combination of several different (not just hamstring) injuries and an inability to establish himself in the best emerging midfield in the comp. You guys can try to talk him down but he was pick 2 (rated a top 6 selection) in a decent draft and has a big upside.

Jaksch is a very typical young tall, another high pick (pick 12) he takes a good mark and is a good kick, just needs to put on some bulk to really establish himself.

Frost has come through the hard way getting upgraded off the rookie list. He is strong bodied and solid overhead. Probably needs to improve his consistency but has elite closing speed.

These are players that will all make a team better. Packaging them all for pick 6 is not going to happen.
 
Andre the Giant said:
You don't think 3 well rated (2 very high draft picks) that have had 2 years development is not too much for pick 6 and a bloke who is mid 20's and just delisted for disciplinary reasons?? O'Rourke's lack of games has been a combination of several different (not just hamstring) injuries and an inability to establish himself in the best emerging midfield in the comp. You guys can try to talk him down but he was pick 2 (rated a top 6 selection) in a decent draft and has a big upside.

Jaksch is a very typical young tall, another high pick (pick 12) he takes a good mark and is a good kick, just needs to put on some bulk to really establish himself.

Frost has come through the hard way getting upgraded off the rookie list. He is strong bodied and solid overhead. Probably needs to improve his consistency but has elite closing speed.

These are players that will all make a team better. Packaging them all for pick 6 is not going to happen.
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I'm not attempting to talk them down - they are good prospects that will interest a number of teams. Nor am I suggesting that pick 6 + Robinson is a good deal for you - it isn't. But your comment made it sound like the deal was embarrassingly far out of the ball park, and I don't personally think it is. On an open market with these out-of-contract players (although I don't think Frost is) requesting trades home their value takes a hit.

O'Rourke may have been a pick two but I seriously doubt you'll find teams willing to give up a pick near that mark. He had his underage year totally ruined by hamstring injuries and these have transferred to his AFL career - there's significant risk attached to him and clubs are always wary of what they're giving up in these circumstances. He's shown flashes but, really, has he shown what you'd expected from him as yet? I would suggest that he hasn't. Partially due to injuries, yes, but this contributes to the appraisal of value. I would suggest that he's worth somewhere in the vicinity of pick 12-15, perhaps slightly less if he's OoC and demands a trade home.

Jaksch is a good prospect and his value has probably only slipped slightly, and that's more due to not managing to impose himself at AFL level. I don't think playing in defense has helped inflate his value at all but you may think differently. I'd imagine there would be clubs willing to pay a pick in the 15-20 range.

Frost has improved tenfold and given his late start to the game could be a very good player - but you don't go from being a rookie pick to being worth a first round pick on the back of a handful of really promising games and a couple of shockers. His value is difficult to place but I can see a side giving a pick around 25-30 for him.

So in all, in my opinion it approximates to two mid-first round picks and a second rounder. A top six pick and a best 22 player from a near-finals team (albeit with issues) isn't a good deal for you, but it also isn't so far under the line that you can't see the line. It's in the same ballpark, for mine - but a ballpark where Sos has gone mad with power and accepts the first thing that crosses his desk. It doesn't get it done but it's a relatively fair starting point for trade negotiations.
 

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Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Is it really that far out? O'Rourke has had several hamstring problems that go right back to his junior career and has managed only nine average games in two years. Jaksch and Frost have shown nice signs but neither have been able to hold down a spot in a side crippled by key defensive injuries. Add in the fact that they've elected to leave - you don't have a say in the matter - and their market value isn't that high.

I don't think the pick 6 + Robinson deal is quite there but if you're expecting a lot more than that I would imagine you're going to be disappointed.
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My main objection was to recruiting Robinson. I'd prefer pick 6 alone. Robinson is a waste of a list spot. His playing ability is enough to make him unappealing but his poor discipline just makes him even more of a liability.

Jaksch will definitely go and O'Rourke probably will but I'd like to keep him given we don't have a heap of great ball users. Is Frost also rumoured to want out? I'm not convinced he's a part of our long term plans though I'd still like to hang onto him for another season.

Jaksch and O'Rourke for Footscray's first pick seems more realistic. It's likely a more appealing destination than Carlton and we get a slightly better pick for it.
 
Sufjan Stevens said:
My main objection was to recruiting Robinson. I'd prefer pick 6 alone. Robinson is a waste of a list spot. His playing ability is enough to make him unappealing but his poor discipline just makes him even more of a liability.

Jaksch will definitely go and O'Rourke probably will but I'd like to keep him given we don't have a heap of great ball users. Is Frost also rumoured to want out? I'm not convinced he's a part of our long term plans though I'd still like to hang onto him for another season.

Jaksch and O'Rourke for Footscray's first pick seems more realistic. It's likely a more appealing destination than Carlton and we get a slightly better pick for it.
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All fair points. I don't think Robinson suits you anyway but I was more just commenting on the overall framework of the deal not being too far away from being fair.

I'd think if all three decide they want to go to Carlton (which would be enormous for them) Sos would probably push to see Robinson replaced by their second rounder in that deal. I could see the two clubs meeting in the middle, perhaps with a third or fourth rounder (which you likely won't use anyway) thrown in for the Blues' first and second.

That said - don't think all three will be Carlton-bound. At least one will head to St Kilda in a deal for the first overall pick, I'd suggest.
 
GROTTO said:
Yes I do agree. If Danger cannot commit to the Crows it would be in the best interest to do deal with the Cats to try and get overs for him.

The problem is I dont know what currency the Cats have to trade, the Crows would want overs to get him. If there was a trade I am sure it would involve several clubs. At the moment the Cats have crap draft picks.

Geez thats shame lol, I guess winning the flag is the "only" thing you guys can do and have ever done over the past 7 years.:p

Envious. :(:cry:
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We don't have anything to trade the Crows would accept. Our strategy would be get him next year for free.
 
I think GWS's best hope for value from O'Rourke/Jaksch is to do a Dom Tyson deal with Saints or Melbourne. Can't see teams willing to give up first round picks for them alone.
 
The 747 said:
We don't have anything to trade the Crows would accept. Our strategy would be get him next year for free.
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I do think Danger will walk personally. Something amazing would need to happen for him to stay. By amazing I mean a top 4 finish as a minimum.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
All fair points. I don't think Robinson suits you anyway but I was more just commenting on the overall framework of the deal not being too far away from being fair.

I'd think if all three decide they want to go to Carlton (which would be enormous for them) Sos would probably push to see Robinson replaced by their second rounder in that deal. I could see the two clubs meeting in the middle, perhaps with a third or fourth rounder (which you likely won't use anyway) thrown in for the Blues' first and second.

That said - don't think all three will be Carlton-bound. At least one will head to St Kilda in a deal for the first overall pick, I'd suggest.
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Reading these posts with interest and all have valid points but I wonder if the ideas would change if a swap of Robinson for say Walker (Good family guy who is a cleanskin)
 
The Facepainter said:
Reading these posts with interest and all have valid points but I wonder if the ideas would change if a swap of Robinson for say Walker (Good family guy who is a cleanskin)
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Would likely interest the Giants more as he's a decent player that would play a clear role at the club - but I'm not sure why the Blues would trade him to be honest.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Would likely interest the Giants more as he's a decent player that would play a clear role at the club - but I'm not sure why the Blues would trade him to be honest.
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I would say simply as he will not be around when we make a GF and would help us build the club. GWS do need another senior or 2 around the 27-29 year old bracket and his ability to play at either end would be of benefit. PS: Casboult just signed for 2 years.
 
The Facepainter said:
Reading these posts with interest and all have valid points but I wonder if the ideas would change if a swap of Robinson for say Walker (Good family guy who is a cleanskin)
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If anything Walker's misdemeanor/s are more serious than Robinson's. Robbo has been in a couple of stoushes...neither of which appear to be of his own making. Not the seal clubber he is being made out to be, though lying to the club is a bigger concern granted.
 

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Sufjan Stevens said:
My main objection was to recruiting Robinson. I'd prefer pick 6 alone. Robinson is a waste of a list spot. His playing ability is enough to make him unappealing but his poor discipline just makes him even more of a liability.

Jaksch will definitely go and O'Rourke probably will but I'd like to keep him given we don't have a heap of great ball users. Is Frost also rumoured to want out? I'm not convinced he's a part of our long term plans though I'd still like to hang onto him for another season.

Jaksch and O'Rourke for Footscray's first pick seems more realistic. It's likely a more appealing destination than Carlton and we get a slightly better pick for it.
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yes just what gws needs more top picks to play 2 years then go home .time to get some older heads in there and build a club not a daycare
 
Pogba said:
I think GWS's best hope for value from O'Rourke/Jaksch is to do a Dom Tyson deal with Saints or Melbourne. Can't see teams willing to give up first round picks for them alone.
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I wonder if the clubs like saints would do pick 1 for Orourke, Jaksch, Frost and 3rd round pick....helps GWS alleviate list reduction numbers and gives saints quantity over super star quality in a guy like Petraccca who is probably pick 1
 
Big_Luch said:
I wonder if the clubs like saints would do pick 1 for Orourke, Jaksch, Frost and 3rd round pick....helps GWS alleviate list reduction numbers and gives saints quantity over super star quality in a guy like Petraccca who is probably pick 1
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No. Quantity isn't our focus anymore: we already did that in 2012 with the pick 12 & 13 trades and to a lesser extent last year with trades for players. We will only trade down with GWS if we get their 1st in the deal and are sure of getting McCartin with that pick.
 
Big_Luch said:
not yet - delisted after whatever the time period is if a player doesnt have a contract for the following season.
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Depends though. If Carlton have conclusively said he'll be traded then have lost a fair bit of leverage. Clubs will know they only have to wait until the end of the trade period and he'll eventually be delisted.

That said when he's floated all trade period and no one gives anything for him I can see Mick and the blues saying he was only up for trade and now we are stuck with him we've offered him a one year deal.
 

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What is it going to take to get Carlisle to the hawks?

Assuming he threatens to go into PSD... 2nd rounder after he nominates the Hawks??
 
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