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This from an article in the age today. Sounds like David Clayton to me.

What a disgraceful supporter to work for the club, and on a day of celebration, stab it in the back. I would like to know what this member has done for this club???

The age should name names. The club does not need people like this.

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The feelings towards Miller were not entirely positive. One member who did not want to be named because of links to the club accused Miller of "putting a gun to the club's head" by saying he would walk away from it if the Macek ticket triumphed.

"I think it's an absolute disgrace, 'Vote for me or I'll walk away'. Who said that Greg Miller is our saviour? In my opinion he's not. What has he done for this club?" the member asked.

"To date he's thrown a bucket of money at Nathan Brown, who's a fine acquisition, but nothing else."
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Full article below

Tiger boss seems to have faithful on side
By Dan Oakes
December 16, 2004


Richmond's oldest former player, Sid Dockendorff, at the Tigers' walkway of
honour ceremony yesterday.
Photo: Ray Kennedy

Richmond president Clinton Casey strolled among the crowd yesterday at the
club's final fans' training day for 2004, and if the mood of the members
gathered at Punt Road Oval was any indication, he will be doing the same thing
in the same role next year.

The overwhelming majority of Tigers faithful spoken to by The Age said they
intended voting or had voted for Casey's ticket as he battles Charles Macek's
team for control of the club. Polling closes tomorrow and the result should be
known by Saturday.

It is believed that Casey's team has surveyed more than 4000 members and found
that it has the support of 65-75 per cent of them, a figure that fits with
yesterday's findings.

The reasons given yesterday for supporting Casey were varied, but most people
said that the club made infamous in the past 20 years for its turnover of
coaches and administrators needed some stability in order to progress.

Brian Wethling, a member for 25 years, said he also admired Casey's refusal to
walk away from the club despite its woes.


"At the end of the day, he put in a lot of money from his own pocket to keep
Richmond above board," Wethling said. "He (also) tried to do things like put
more money into the football department, getting Wayne Brittain and those sort
of things...

"It never paid off, players got injured, players never responded to the coach's
game plan, and he could have easily walked off, but he said 'no, I'm going to
stay here and stick with the club'."

In a worrying sign for the opposition group, football operations manager Greg
Miller's decision to join the Casey ticket also swayed many members. Macek said
this week that his ticket feared that the "Miller factor" might get his
opponents over the line.

"He didn't have Miller before," said Fred Hanlon,, a member for 10 years. "The
Miller factor sold me. If (Miller) was going to say that he was going to stay
with either party, I would have have picked and chosen, split (my vote). It
would have been down the middle without Miller."

The feelings towards Miller were not entirely positive. One member who did not want to be named because of links to the club accused Miller of "putting a gun to the club's head" by saying he would walk away from it if the Macek ticket triumphed.

"I think it's an absolute disgrace, 'Vote for me or I'll walk away'. Who said
that Greg Miller is our saviour? In my opinion he's not. What has he done for
this club?" the member asked.

"To date he's thrown a bucket of money at Nathan Brown, who's a fine
acquisition, but nothing else."

Other Macek voters said that they were influenced by the recent news of
Richmond's poor financial performance. Casey announced recently that the club
had lost $2.2 million this year, leaving it $3 million in debt.

William Whittle, a member for 13 years, said the board deserved to be thrown out
on the basis of the club's accounts.

"If you're going to have two years like we've just had and lose $3 million,
there's something wrong. Why would you vote for something wrong?" Whittle said.

"That's the bottom line; you've missed out on the field and you've missed out
off the field. If this crowd hadn't come along and opposed them, we'd still be
going downhill."

The fans were at Punt Road not only to see their team train, but also to watch
the opening of the Jack Dyer Foundation walkway of honour, which commemorates
every player throughout Richmond's history with a brick.

The honours were done by Richmond's oldest former player, 96-year-old Sid
Dockendorff, and Alice Hayden, a member for 72 consecutive years.

Hayden would not be drawn on who she voted for, but admitted she was
disappointed with the club's recent performance on and off the field.

"Let's hope from now on there's unity on and off the field," she said.
 
Everybody's entitled to an opinion, aren't they?

I'm sure you'd agree that somebody can have a negative opinion about the running of the club and still be a keen Richmond supporter, capable of doing good things for the club.

Or are we living in some sort of benign dictatorship?
 

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2 things:

1) a constructive opinion is worthwhile. The above is not.

2) dont work for the club if you are going to bag your fellow staff. simple as that. you cant possibly be doing good when you have that attitude.

3) The word supporter implies supporting the club. Where is the support in the above comments. More like attacking the club. I would call him by definition an attacker, not a supporter of the club.

LarryLong said:
Everybody's entitled to an opinion, aren't they?

I'm sure you'd agree that somebody can have a negative opinion about the running of the club and still be a keen Richmond supporter, capable of doing good things for the club.

Or are we living in some sort of benign dictatorship?
 
tigertime said:
2 things:

Well, actually, that was three things. ;)

tigertime said:
1) a constructive opinion is worthwhile. The above is not.

2) dont work for the club if you are going to bag your fellow staff. simple as that. you cant possibly be doing good when you have that attitude.

Yes, the world would be a better place if nobody ever criticised anything. We should all toe the company line, sing from the same hymn sheet. Any departure from the corporate gospel should be branded as un-Richmondian.

Negative opinions can still be constructive. You just don't agree with the guy.

tigertime said:
3) The word supporter implies supporting the club. Where is the support in the above comments. More like attacking the club. I would call him by definition an attacker, not a supporter of the club.

I'd say he's criticising Greg Miller, but I can't work out where in that statement he attacks the club. I guess the lines are starting to blur for lots of people at the moment. ;)
 
Just a hypothetical - Are you a traitor and a non supporter if you criticise a RFC employee, say like the coach? If so there wont be too many supporters left on this board (including me) if that's the criteria.
 
I dont work for the club.

So your hypothetical is irrelevant.

silence ofthe Robert said:
Just a hypothetical - Are you a traitor and a non supporter if you criticise a RFC employee, say like the coach? If so there wont be too many supporters left on this board (including me) if that's the criteria.
 

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They can be constructive.. That wasnt.

LarryLong said:
Well, actually, that was three things. ;)
Yes, the world would be a better place if nobody ever criticised anything. We should all toe the company line, sing from the same hymn sheet. Any departure from the corporate gospel should be branded as un-Richmondian.

Negative opinions can still be constructive. You just don't agree with the guy.



I'd say he's criticising Greg Miller, but I can't work out where in that statement he attacks the club. I guess the lines are starting to blur for lots of people at the moment. ;)
 
Are you going to ask an intelligent question????

We would both be traitors then if that were the case???

silence ofthe Robert said:
I didn't say anything about working for the club. Are you or I a traitor and a non supporter if we bag the coach or RFC employee?
 
Weaver.. Grow up or Read the thread..

To be a traitor, you are a richmond employee who gets off on bagging the club and fellow employees.

In this case greg miller.

Weaver said:
So to be a traitor you have to crticise Miller?
 
tigertime said:
Weaver.. Grow up or Read the thread..

To be a traitor, you are a richmond employee who gets off on bagging the club and fellow employees.

In this case greg miller.

I dont understand TT. Are the following traitors if the bag the coach or RFC employee:

1. Membership holder
2. Coterie member
3. Corporate sponsor
4. Cheer squad member
5. Caroline Wilson
 

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tigertime said:
To be a traitor, you are a richmond employee who gets off on bagging the club and fellow employees.

Nowhere does it say that this quote came from someone employed by the club. It could be a coterie member, ex-player, sponsor, volunteer or family member of an employee. Anyone who is concerned about a backlash from the club about not being seen to tow the company line.
 
jezza said:
There are plenty of people who feel Miller's stance is holding the club to ransom, me included.
How can you say miller is holding the club at ransom.simple solution if people believe he is why vote for him?
secondly Miller at least is upfront about his intentions.cant say the same for Schwab in particular if he gets in along with Casey.

cheers!
 
Infamy said:
Its pretty gutless to not put your name to it though
If you have the need to critisise the club like that then at least have the conviction to stand up for it

What a bunch of crap. We dont put our names to everything because we do not know the implications of doing so. There is no need to put our names to everything is there "Infamy".
 
I hear it will end up being around 6-3 in favour of Casey, but that is unconfirmed.

Re: Traitors, a lot of people have axes to grind with Casey, so it couldo f been anyone.

But as someone said, David Clayton would be one of the first few people you'd look at.
 

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