Transfer discussion thread

[Memphis]

 

[Zidane98]

I presume Inter will do some sort of obligation to buy loan deal. Once that transfer goes through Lukaku will have been sold twice by Chelsea, once by Everton, United & Inter. Incredible amount of money spunked on him.


Utd getting most of their money back selling to Inter seems an absolute master stroke of business now.

 

[jd2010]

Bissouma has been given the Here We Go

Very good player. Not hoping he doesn't get charged or get time like some Spurs fans. Hoping the victim gets the justice they deserve. Hopefully Yves involvement is more of a bystander nature and he has learnt that not stopping something from happening is not the way he should act.

 

[Zidane98]

Bissouma has been given the Here We Go

Very good player. Not hoping he doesn't get charged or get time like some Spurs fans. Hoping the victim gets the justice they deserve. Hopefully Yves involvement is more of a bystander nature and he has learnt that not stopping something from happening is not the way he should act.

If it's happening and he is no longer on bail you have to presume that he is innocent. I doubt Spurs would go through with the transfer if there was even a hint at a possible conviction on sexual assault charges. You could very well be correct about Bissouma just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You would imagine justice will be served for the victim and the actual perpetrator will go down for it.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If it's happening and he is no longer on bail you have to presume that he is innocent. I doubt Spurs would go through with the transfer if there was even a hint at a possible conviction on sexual assault charges. You could very well be correct about Bissouma just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You would imagine justice will be served for the victim and the actual perpetrator will go down for it.

Levy spending 25m quid without doing the due diligence on the legal matters. Yeah right

 

[Sozabarus]

Signing a player on the cheap due to sexual assault allegations hanging over them wouldn’t really sit well with me. You’d hope Spurs will address the issue if/when they announce his signing.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Signing a player on the cheap due to sexual assault allegations hanging over them wouldn’t really sit well with me. You’d hope Spurs will address the issue if/when they announce his signing.

Or is he cheap because he has 12 months left and won’t extend his deal at Brighton..

What is there to address? He hasn’t been charged with an offence and wasn’t at our club when he was arrested.

Far too much cart before the horse mentality going on here, and jd’s muppetry on this is just sad. Talking about justice for the victim and how even if no charges are to be made he’s still guilty.

 

[pantskyle]

Suppose if he hasn't been charged and it's just an allegation you move on. He as a player and Brighton as a club shouldn't be held back from a sale just based on that.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Zidane98]

Signing a player on the cheap due to sexual assault allegations hanging over them wouldn’t really sit well with me. You’d hope Spurs will address the issue if/when they announce his signing.

There's no chance thats how the negotiations went down.

Contract status is driving the price here.

 

[jd2010]

If it's happening and he is no longer on bail you have to presume that he is innocent. I doubt Spurs would go through with the transfer if there was even a hint at a possible conviction on sexual assault charges. You could very well be correct about Bissouma just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You would imagine justice will be served for the victim and the actual perpetrator will go down for it.

Justice is regularly not the outcome for a victim in these situations. Large majority of times a charge doesn't get laid at all, followed by incorrectly getting off charges, then justice being found. And in last place is a fabrication of events.

 

[jd2010]

Or is he cheap because he has 12 months left and won’t extend his deal at Brighton..

What is there to address? He hasn’t been charged with an offence and wasn’t at our club when he was arrested.

Far too much cart before the horse mentality going on here, and jd’s muppetry on this is just sad. Talking about justice for the victim and how even if no charges are to be made he’s still guilty.

That's because in sexual assault situations charges being laid and found guilty in courts doesn't happen often enough. Many more get away with acts than get charged and found guilty. Just going off the law of averages. He is more likely guilty of an act but not guilty in the eyes of the law, than he is completely innocent on both sides of things.

Take the football and club badges out of this and think of the female who went to the police on this. She's less likely to have the perpetrator found guilty yet still went. One of the 2 is high profile which reduces her chances of seeing justice because of this, yet she still went. She's the one I hope gets justice. Not Yves and not our club, if he is innocent he will get his, if not he will probably get away with it anyway.

 

[DBAH0]

Suppose if he hasn't been charged and it's just an allegation you move on. He as a player and Brighton as a club shouldn't be held back from a sale just based on that.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That's because in sexual assault situations charges being laid and found guilty in courts doesn't happen often enough. Many more get away with acts than get charged and found guilty. Just going off the law of averages. He is more likely guilty of an act but not guilty in the eyes of the law, than he is completely innocent on both sides of things.

Take the football and club badges out of this and think of the female who went to the police on this. She's less likely to have the perpetrator found guilty yet still went. One of the 2 is high profile which reduces her chances of seeing justice because of this, yet she still went. She's the one I hope gets justice. Not Yves and not our club, if he is innocent he will get his, if not he will probably get away with it anyway.

Broadly I get your point about successful prosecution of he said, she said sexual assault cases with no other witnesses.

But just like you can’t tar all accused with the ‘he’s guilty’ brush I can’t tar them all as innocent because there are incidents of false accusations.

Facts atm are. Arrested. Released. Months later still no charge… and you’re talking in a ‘poor victim’ tone. What about the accused? Can have his name dragged through the mud publicly yet nothing of substance has occurred.

 

[jd2010]

Broadly I get your point about successful prosecution of he said, she said sexual assault cases with no other witnesses.

But just like you can’t tar all accused with the ‘he’s guilty’ brush I can’t tar them all as innocent because there are incidents of false accusations.

Facts atm are. Arrested. Released. Months later still no charge… and you’re talking in a ‘poor victim’ tone. What about the accused? Can have his name dragged through the mud publicly yet nothing of substance has occurred.

Facts are it's more likely to be in order. Whether he did or was witness and didn't stop is another thing.

1) something happened - no charges
2) something happened - charges but no prosecution
3) something happened - charges and prosecution
4) nothing happened

I'm just saying based on the facts as it is right now which is unknown it's more likely 1-3 than 4 by some way too. Which is why my preference is the victim gets justice.

Of course unless scenario 3 plays out Yves can't be banned from football. I'd just prefer it not to be at my club. And until a scenario plays out its this limbo zone where I'd prefer him not at my club but get the deal as well. Unfortunately if the most likely 2 scenarios play out, the victim doesn't get their justice and we are meant to be happy about having a very good footballer kick a ball around a field.

 

[Cruyff14]

If things end favorably for Bissouma, it will be a tremendous signing for Spurs.

Would he start over PEH?

 

[jd2010]

If things end favorably for Bissouma, it will be a tremendous signing for Spurs.

Would he start over PEH?

Most definitely

1. Bentancur
2. Bissouma
3. Skipp
4. Hojberg

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If things end favorably for Bissouma, it will be a tremendous signing for Spurs.

Would he start over PEH?

Not for mine.



Pierre and Bissouma with Bentancur and Skipp as the back up partnership

 

[Cruyff14]

Not for mine.



Pierre and Bissouma with Bentancur and Skipp as the back up partnership

Enough creativity between those two though?

 

[Sozabarus]

Enough creativity between those two though?

Conte doesn’t rely on creativity from midfield. His Chelsea team dominated the league with Kante and Matic in there.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Enough creativity between those two though?

60 goals in 28 games under Conte.

City 79
LFC 65
Chelsea 56
Utd 38
AFC 49
WHU 40

Post January. 15 games

Spurs 38
City 44
LFC 30
Chelsea 29
Utd 19
AFC 26
WHU 19

Creativity mostly comes from wingback which is getting a massive upgrade. Eriksen on a free for low blocks to me seems a no brainer I hope is taken.

Would say our creativity both under Conte broadly and after his January acquisitions stacks up well.

 

[Cruyff14]

60 goals in 28 games under Conte.

City 79
LFC 65
Chelsea 56
Utd 38
AFC 49
WHU 40

Post January. 15 games

Spurs 38
City 44
LFC 30
Chelsea 29
Utd 19
AFC 26
WHU 19

Creativity mostly comes from wingback which is getting a massive upgrade. Eriksen on a free for low blocks to me seems a no brainer I hope is taken.

Would say our creativity both under Conte broadly and after his January acquisitions stacks up well.

Reckon you'll get third next season with the way you're going.

 

[Magma]

Not for mine.



Pierre and Bissouma with Bentancur and Skipp as the back up partnership

and rodri didnt make toty

 

[jd2010]

Not for mine.



Pierre and Bissouma with Bentancur and Skipp as the back up partnership

Similar stat to the one Jatz tried to use on the afl thread . Lots of easy sideways and backwards passes will look amazing on that graph.

Whilst I ranked PEH bottom of the 4 I'd be happy for him to start any game.

 

[Zidane98]

Facts are it's more likely to be in order. Whether he did or was witness and didn't stop is another thing.

1) something happened - no charges
2) something happened - charges but no prosecution
3) something happened - charges and prosecution
4) nothing happened

I'm just saying based on the facts as it is right now which is unknown it's more likely 1-3 than 4 by some way too. Which is why my preference is the victim gets justice.

Of course unless scenario 3 plays out Yves can't be banned from football. I'd just prefer it not to be at my club. And until a scenario plays out its this limbo zone where I'd prefer him not at my club but get the deal as well. Unfortunately if the most likely 2 scenarios play out, the victim doesn't get their justice and we are meant to be happy about having a very good footballer kick a ball around a field.

Considering that Bissouma's been released from arrest I would suggest that ends Bissouma's involvement in the matter. Bissouma must be allowed the presumption of innocence here especially considering the time frames which would have the police charging him for sure if there was evidence of his guilt.

And surely Levy & Co would not be shelling out 25 million on a player if there was the slightest chance he could be charged and convicted. Contrast that with Benjamin Mendy who was arrested and not even allowed out on bail and charged multiple times.

 

[jd2010]

Considering that Bissouma's been released from arrest I would suggest that ends Bissouma's involvement in the matter. Bissouma must be allowed the presumption of innocence here especially considering the time frames which would have the police charging him for sure if there was evidence of his guilt.

And surely Levy & Co would not be shelling out 25 million on a player if there was the slightest chance he could be charged and convicted. Contrast that with Benjamin Mendy who was arrested and not even allowed out on bail and charged multiple times.

Most involved in sexual assault investigations don't get charged. Doesn't mean there was no wrong doing. That's my point about the main thing needing to be justice for the victim.

I'm sure we've done our homework and nothing comes of it legally. Doesn't mean justice was served for the female involved.