Transgender

[Gralin]

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Transgender - Part 2

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[DemonTim]

So it's a fetish thing, rather than a homosexual or transsexual thing?

Well you'd assume watersports yes

I was discussing "beats" and why it wouldn't be unbelievable that the male poster had this happen. Where did I suggest it was A homosexual specific thing? Where did anyone suggest it for that matter?

None of this relates to the possibility of the event occurring, which was what I was responding to.

 

[CM86]

Well you'd assume watersports yes

I was discussing "beats" and why it wouldn't be unbelievable that the male poster had this happen. Where did I suggest it was A homosexual specific thing? Where did anyone suggest it for that matter?

None of this relates to the possibility of the event occurring, which was what I was responding to.

Where did I suggest that you suggested it was?

I'm just suggesting that maybe it isn't a valid reason to fear transsexuals using certain bathrooms.

 

[DemonTim]

Where did I suggest that you suggested it was?

I'm just suggesting that maybe it isn't a valid reason to fear transsexuals using certain bathrooms.

Well you brought it up in a post where you quoted me...

Sure it's not rational, but if it happened to the poster it's probably not something that they're rational on. Would you question a woman who was sexual harassed about her fears?

I don't think I ever said the fear was rational. I simply responded to someone claiming that it had never happened to them so it must be a lie. Most people probably haven't caught two men, or a man and a woman ****ing in the gym. I have, but by the above logic it can't ever happen.

 

[CM86]

Well you brought it up in a post where you quoted me...

Sure it's not rational, but if it happened to the poster it's probably not something that they're rational on. Would you question a woman who was sexual harassed about her fears?

I don't think I ever said the fear was rational. I simply responded to someone claiming that it had never happened to them so it must be a lie. Most people probably haven't caught two men, or a man and a woman ******* in the gym. I have, but by the above logic it can't ever happen.

I've had an egg with two yolks... there are different levels of possibility.

Having frequently been peeing for long enough for a person with a urine fetish to approach your stall, watch you, get an erection and then start to masturbate while watching you (and you don't even notice straight away)... it's just a bit more difficult to believe from some random, seemingly anti-lgbti poster, than me cracking an egg with two yolks.

 

[DemonTim]

I've had an egg with two yolks... there are different levels of possibility.

Having frequently been peeing for long enough for a person with a urine fetish to approach your stall, watch you, get an erection and then start to masturbate while watching you (and you don't even notice straight away)... it's just a bit more difficult to believe from some random, seemingly anti-lgbti poster, than me cracking an egg with two yolks.

As I said, according to a gay bloke I know it's fairly common, There's even a site listing "beats" to find public toilets that sex happens in, I can try and get the link if you want it. Police also have a list of areas it's common in, I know the Mooroolbark playground and lilydale lake were two that they always kept an eye on

Who said it has to be a urine fetish? The poster didn't go into detail about if he was mid stream or not. He may have finished, or not started.

As I said, if it was a female poster no one would question sexual assault/harassment. Especially if it was an underage female. Isn't that what's called victim blaming?

 

[CM86]

As I said, according to a gay bloke I know it's fairly common, There's even a site listing "beats" to find public toilets that sex happens in, I can try and get the link if you want it. Police also have a list of areas it's common in, I know the Mooroolbark playground and lilydale lake were two that they always kept an eye on

This has already been mentioned.
There are known spots to go. This is mostly due to society still shaming homosexuals, more than their attraction to bathrooms and activities within.

Who said it has to be a urine fetish? The poster didn't go into detail about if he was mid stream or not. He may have finished, or not started.

I assumed he meant during, when he said he has caught men "look at me peeing on more than one occasion, caught them looking and have observed them pleasing themselves at the same time". But I'd be happy to hear your assumption on the time line.

As I said, if it was a female poster no one would question sexual assault/harassment. Especially if it was an underage female. Isn't that what's called victim blaming?

As I said, I've had two yolks in a single egg before.

Besides, I didn't question him, DemonT. I asked others if it had anything to do with transsexuals or homosexuals.

 

[DemonTim]

This has already been mentioned.
There are known spots to go. This is mostly due to society still shaming homosexuals, more than their attraction to bathrooms and activities within.


I assumed he meant during, when he said he has caught men "look at me peeing on more than one occasion, caught them looking and have observed them pleasing themselves at the same time". But I'd be happy to hear your assumption on the time line.


As I said, I've had two yolks in a single egg before.

Besides, I didn't question him, DemonT. I asked others if it had anything to do with transsexuals or homosexuals.

Yes, but you quoted me saying it's a completely possible situation. If your stance is, "does it have anything rationally to do with his trans/homophobia?" Then it's no relation to my point. As I've said I was simply discussing that it's a completely possible situation.

Known spots to go? So there's known spots that he should've avoided? I wouldn't think Spencer and flinders street stations would be expected for that.

http://www.squirt.org/ There's the link I was referring to. Are we really saying it's very unlikely that a random person has never ended up in a "hidden cruising spot" (quote from the site)

Would you call a woman a liar if she said she had some guy trying to see her genitals at a club x?

 

[CM86]

http://www.squirt.org/ There's the link I was referring to. Are we really saying it's very unlikely that a random person has never ended up in a "hidden cruising spot" (quote from the site)

Would you call a woman a liar if she said she had some guy trying to see her genitals at a club x?

It is very unlikely that a random person has ended up in some piss fetish cruising spot.
Let alone multiple times, including at school.

Yes, but you quoted me saying it's a completely possible situation. If your stance is, "does it have anything rationally to do with his trans/homophobia?" Then it's no relation to my point. As I've said I was simply discussing that it's a completely possible situation.

Actually, I replied to your post saying "I'm attracted to women, but I don't find anything arousing about watching a woman pee. Why are homosexuals so deviant?" Link

 

[DemonTim]

It is very unlikely that a random person has ended up in some piss fetish cruising spot.
Let alone multiple times, including at school.


Actually, I replied to your post saying "I'm attracted to women, but I don't find anything arousing about watching a woman pee. Why are homosexuals so deviant?" Link

Yes? I never claimed to speak on your behalf. I was saying that you quoted my post. Not you were saying. I worded that badly. I was saying I said "it's completely possible" and you quoted me. The point you've made for most responses has nothing to do with my claim it's possible

Public toilet cruising spots aren't piss fetish. They're simply places men go to cruise for sex. A tactic used is to masturbate at urinals (direct quote) or to check guys out at them and then move to a cubicle if both interested.

So you're saying it's unlikely a straight guy has ended up pissing at Melbournes two biggest stations?

My old gym was a cruising location, it was much less awkward because I knew the couple (one tried to convince me and my partner for a threesome), I had a go at them and they said it's a well known location and that's pretty much the only reason people use the sauna

I think you need to do a bit more research on beats it's nothing to do with urine for the most part

 

[CM86]

Yes? I never claimed to speak on your behalf. I was saying that you quoted my post. Not you were saying. I worded that badly. I was saying I said "it's completely possible" and you quoted me. The point you've made for most responses has nothing to do with my claim it's possible

Yet you want to keep talking about the possibility...

Public toilet cruising spots aren't piss fetish. They're simply places men go to cruise for sex.

Exactly.

A tactic used is to masturbate at urinals (direct quote) or to check guys out at them and then move to a cubicle if both interested.

Direct quote? Link please.

So you're saying it's unlikely a straight guy has ended up pissing at Melbournes two biggest stations?

No. He didn't say that's where he was pissing.

My old gym was a cruising location, it was much less awkward because I knew the couple (one tried to convince me and my partner for a threesome), I had a go at them and they said it's a well known location and that's pretty much the only reason people use the sauna

What gym is that? Is it on these websites?
And some random came up to you and your partner at a gym, asking for a threesome, then tried to convince you. Then you had a go at them. Then they explained that it's a well known location for it, and the only reason people use that sauna. And you believed him?

Always a pleasure having genuine discussions with your DemonT.
Hey, where did TimmeT go?

 

[DemonTim]

Yet you want to keep talking about the possibility...


Exactly.

Direct quote? Link please.

No. He didn't say that's where he was pissing.

What gym is that? Is it on these websites?
And some random came up to you and your partner at a gym, asking for a threesome, then tried to convince you. Then you had a go at them. Then they explained that it's a well known location for it, and the only reason people use that sauna. And you believed him?

Yes and diminishing the possibility

So they're not for piss fetishes and they're just normal public toilets where men go to have sex and unless you know it's for that you'd think it was just a normal public toilet, but it's not very possible that it happened to him?

I didn't say it was. You're saying it's very unlikely that someone would end up in one, that's simply not true. Since melbournes two biggest locations.

I'll have to ask if it's listed

Direct quote from the gay user who used to post. I'd say I'd believe him since he admits to doing it. Obviously you won't.

Goodlife Mooroolbark, you need to register to check listings. Do you want me to message him for a screenshot?

And no, again you mistake what I've said. I put the threesome in brackets. It was a side note to the story relating to "I knew the couple". I'm not sure why you'd remove the brackets ignore the way it was written and suggest I'm saying something I'm not:
I caught the couple in the sauna/steam room. I knew them. I had a go at them for it. And they told me it's a listed cruising location so it's okay.

 

[CM86]

So they're not for piss fetishes and they're just normal public toilets where men go to have sex and unless you know it's for that you'd think it was just a normal public toilet, but it's not very possible that it happened to him?

At a school?

And I'd still say very unlikely for a homosexual to watch you pee and start masturbating next to you, as a sign of interest.
Even less likely for it to happen multiple times. Especially at busy train stations.
Homosexuals had to find much more hidden ways. Such as the holes in walls you keep talking about.

I didn't say it was. You're saying it's very unlikely that someone would end up in one, that's simply not true. Since melbournes two biggest locations.

Where did I say it's unlikely someone would end up in a public bathroom?

Direct quote from the gay user who used to post. I'd say I'd believe him since he admits to doing it. Obviously you won't.

That friend has been incredibly valuable to so many of your arguments and points. You are a lucky man to have him!

Goodlife Mooroolbark, you need to register to check listings. Do you want me to message him for a screenshot?

A screenshot of what?

And no, again you mistake what I've said. I put the threesome in brackets. It was a side note to the story relating to "I knew the couple". I'm not sure why you'd remove the brackets ignore the way it was written and suggest I'm saying something I'm not:
I caught the couple in the sauna/steam room. I knew them. I had a go at them for it. And they told me it's a listed cruising location so it's okay.

So you were propositioned twice in the same gym sauna?
And again, you believed the person who told you it was a listed cruising location?

 

[DemonTim]

At a school?

And I'd still say very unlikely for a homosexual to watch you pee and start masturbating next to you, as a sign of interest.
Even less likely for it to happen multiple times. Especially at busy train stations.
Homosexuals had to find much more hidden ways. Such as the holes in walls you keep talking about.

Where did I say it's unlikely someone would end up in a public bathroom?


That friend has been incredibly valuable to so many of your arguments and points. You are a lucky man to have him!

A screenshot of what?


So you were propositioned twice in the same gym sauna?
And again, you believed the person who told you it was a listed cruising location?

Could be. I know unis are common

Well I'm taking the word of a person who engages in cruising.

I never said you said that. My exact words were:

I didn't say it was. You're saying it's very unlikely that someone would end up in one, that's simply not true. Since melbournes two biggest locations..

In response to:

[QUOTE="CM86, post: 49740313, member: 92320]No. He didn't say that's where he was pissing.[/QUOTE]

The user is one of my closest friends, he posted on here for a while and left when he got shouted down and insulted for being gay.

A screenshot of goodlife mooroolbarks listing. You asked if it's listed. So I assumed you wanted a screenshot as proof.

Where did I say I was propositioned in the sauna? I said I caught the couple in a sauna.

I'm not sure why you'd edit it to be a smart arse when you're not even quoting things I've said and whenever I explain what I'm saying you ignore it.

Who is timmet? Happy for an admin to respond if you're accusing it of being an alt

You get way too pissy way too quickly. Especially when there doesn't even seem to be anything you drastically disagree with.

 

[CM86]

The user is one of my closest friends, he posted on here for a while and left when he got shouted down and insulted for being gay.

I remember 'him'. He was explaining how being gay on forums gives him an advantage, and that he is treated better than people who are not gay.
Sorry to hear that he left because he was insulted for being gay.

A screenshot of goodlife mooroolbarks listing. You asked if it's listed. So I assumed you wanted a screenshot as proof.

Your old gym is listed on a site I can't access? Sure screenshot please.

Where did I say I was propositioned in the sauna? I said I caught the couple in a sauna.

Wait, you're saying you walked in on a couple having sex, and reprimanded them? Then accepted it, because they explained to you that it was a listed place for sex?

Who is timmet? Happy for an admin to respond if you're accusing it of being an alt

...
TimmeT is the alias account that you came in and started defending... he and his posts are the reason for our entire current conversation...
How could you know know who he is???

You get way too pissy way too quickly. Especially when there doesn't even seem to be anything you drastically disagree with.

I'm not pissy. I'm just enjoying this trip with you, while I am walking.

 

[DemonTim]

I remember 'him'. He was explaining how being gay on forums gives him an advantage, and that he is treated better than people who are not gay.
Sorry to hear that he left because he was insulted for being gay.


Your old gym is listed on a site I can't access? Sure screenshot please.



Wait, you're saying you walked in on a couple having sex, and reprimanded them? Then accepted it, because they explained to you that it was a listed place for sex?

...
TimmeT is the alias account that you came in and started defending... he and his posts are the reason for our entire current conversation...
How could you know know who he is???


I'm not pissy. I'm just enjoying this trip with you, while I am walking.

He was abused pretty drastically. So it's not surprised

You can access it, you'd have to register. I'll have to ask for the screenshot.

I didn't accept it, I never said I did. I just said that was their justification. I reprimanded a straight couple at the gym I'm at now, and they justified it by saying it's Saturday night and they were in a cubicle. I didn't accept that either.

I didn't even take note of it. Why is it an alias? As I said admins can say whether an account is an admin or not. I've been at the gym since 3 so I'm must be having a terrible workout if I'm on two bigfooty accounts while here. I didn't take particular note of the user making the claim. I couldn't even tell you who I responded to saying he was lying. Unless it's a continued convo I'm quoting with someone I rarely take note of the username.

It seems pissy to accuse disingenuousness and accuse me of aliases when all I've said it's not exactly an impossible situation. I even called his stance irrational and transphobic/homophobic. So you're saying I disagree with almost the entirety of my alias, but responded to someone else discussing the likelyhood of one of its points? That definitely seems pissy

 

[kirsti]

Really? I'd be surprised if you'd heard nothing about it. Most public toilets in non monitored places have holes drilled in walls. Spencer street and flinders street stations it seems to be most cubicles. Croydon used to be shocking for it. My gay friend who used to post on this bored said he had hooked up in public toilets a few times and that it was common.

It's a bit ludicrous to call someone a liar just because you don't like his other points. I doubt anyone would question it if a female said she was sexually harassed by some pervert

I peed in men's toilets for 33 years and I can only ever remember seeing a hole in one or two cubicles maybe the toilets your friend is taking you to are in gay clubs.

 

[Messenger]

Really? I'd be surprised if you'd heard nothing about it. Most public toilets in non monitored places have holes drilled in walls. Spencer street and flinders street stations it seems to be most cubicles. Croydon used to be shocking for it. My gay friend who used to post on this bored said he had hooked up in public toilets a few times and that it was common.

It's a bit ludicrous to call someone a liar just because you don't like his other points. I doubt anyone would question it if a female said she was sexually harassed by some pervert

I'm comfortable he's a bullshit artist; the context of the discussion was that it was indicated by Tayl0r that children are far more likely to be sexually abused by a friend or family member than a random in a public toilet. We then get chapter and verse about his multiple experiences being given the glad eye to refute the proposition. The subtext seems to be he believes transgender people are a danger. When he reappears he can refute to his hearts content.

 

[DemonTim]

I remember 'him'. He was explaining how being gay on forums gives him an advantage, and that he is treated better than people who are not gay.
Sorry to hear that he left because he was insulted for being gay.


Your old gym is listed on a site I can't access? Sure screenshot please.



Wait, you're saying you walked in on a couple having sex, and reprimanded them? Then accepted it, because they explained to you that it was a listed place for sex?

...
TimmeT is the alias account that you came in and started defending... he and his posts are the reason for our entire current conversation...
How could you know know who he is???


I'm not pissy. I'm just enjoying this trip with you, while I am walking.

I peed in men's toilets for 33 years and I can only ever remember seeing a hole in one or two cubicles maybe the toilets your friend is taking you to are in gay clubs.

He sent this and said "it's completely user edited though and the site removes postings if it feels they can get in legal trouble"
These are all that's around Mooroolbark. Ones a playground, ones a footy oval and ones a shopping centre. Hardly gay clubs.

I'm comfortable he's a bullshit artist; the context of the discussion was that it was indicated by Tayl0r that children are far more likely to be sexually abused by a friend or family member than a random in a public toilet. We then get chapter and verse about his multiple experiences being given the glad eye to refute the proposition. The subtext seems to be he believes transgender people are a danger. When he reappears he can refute to his hearts content.

To be honest I skimmed his posts and didn't agree with most. Just didn't think his claim was exactly "outlandish" and if it did happen I wouldn't be willing to take the chance of insulting someone who had that happen. I don't tend to question people on here who claim they were sexually assaulted in some way.

 

[CM86]

He was abused pretty drastically. So it's not surprised

You can access it, you'd have to register. I'll have to ask for the screenshot.

I didn't accept it, I never said I did. I just said that was their justification. I reprimanded a straight couple at the gym I'm at now, and they justified it by saying it's Saturday night and they were in a cubicle. I didn't accept that either.

I didn't even take note of it. Why is it an alias? As I said admins can say whether an account is an admin or not. I've been at the gym since 3 so I'm must be having a terrible workout if I'm on two bigfooty accounts while here. I didn't take particular note of the user making the claim. I couldn't even tell you who I responded to saying he was lying. Unless it's a continued convo I'm quoting with someone I rarely take note of the username.

It seems pissy to accuse disingenuousness and accuse me of aliases when all I've said it's not exactly an impossible situation. I even called his stance irrational and transphobic/homophobic. So you're saying I disagree with almost the entirety of my alias, but responded to someone else discussing the likelyhood of one of its points? That definitely seems pissy

So you agree that his stories are a bit hard to believe?

And thanks. I look forward to the screenshot.


I think you were being disingenuous, to compare his story of multiple encounters with homosexuals, who he would catch masturbating while they watched him pee... with the fact that there are secret locations that some homosexuals use, as well as hidden signals... in order to have a homosexual affair.

I don't think standing next to someone, masturbating, is a hidden signal. In fact, it's more often than not, likely to get you attacked or arrested...

So yes, I think that is disingenuous. Sorry if that upsets you, or makes you think I'm pissy.

 

[DemonTim]

Sorry I should rephrase the above. 4 are playgrounds, one shares a playground with a footy ground, one is a juniors and seniors footy ground and ones a shopping centre.

 

[CM86]

He sent this and said "it's completely user edited though and the site removes postings if it feels they can get in legal trouble"
These are all that's around Mooroolbark. Ones a playground, ones a footy oval and ones a shopping centre. Hardly gay clubs.

Sorry, I meant the gym sauna that you mentioned.
Or were you talking about something else?

To be honest I skimmed his posts and didn't agree with most. Just didn't think his claim was exactly "outlandish" and if it did happen I wouldn't be willing to take the chance of insulting someone who had that happen. I don't tend to question people on here who claim they were sexually assaulted in some way.

You just told me that you didn't know who he was...

It's very hard to keep up with you DemonT. Maybe I should be sitting down to read your posts.

 

[DemonTim]

So you agree that his stories are a bit hard to believe?

And thanks. I look forward to the screenshot.


I think you were being disingenuous, to compare his story of multiple encounters with homosexuals, who he would catch masturbating while they watched him pee... with the fact that there are secret locations that some homosexuals use, as well as hidden signals... in order to have a homosexual affair.

I don't think standing next to someone, masturbating, is a hidden signal. In fact, it's more often than not, likely to get you attacked or arrested...

So yes, I think that is disingenuous. Sorry if that upsets you, or makes you think I'm pissy.

Who's stories are hard to believe? I believe his attitude is wrong/dangerous/horrible, but I think he uses what happened as a reason for his attitude. He's blaming all gays (and for some reason transgender) for the actions of those that 'wronged' him


As I said I'm taking the word of someone who cruises.

I didn't compare them, I just said it's a possible (howmpossible seems to be what you dispute) claim, being that men cruise for sex in some very public bathrooms. How is having sex in a cubicle at Spencer street any more hidden? I'd take the word of someone who engages in it over your doubts

 

[DemonTim]

Sorry, I meant the gym sauna that you mentioned.
Or were you talking about something else?


You just told me that you didn't know who he was...

It's very hard to keep up with you DemonT. Maybe I should be sitting down to read your posts.

Sorry the "user edited" quote was when he told me goodlife wasn't on there. There's other local gyms listed.

I didn't know his username of who he was, I literally just said I skimmed his posts, messenger elaborated about what he and I responded. How did this confuse that point? I still have no idea who he is, and am going off memory of me skimming. You seem to be trying to trap me in something that doesn't exist. He's my alias, but I disagree, and I say I don't know who he is, but I go on to elaborate that I skimmed his posts, so that must mean that I do know, how is this in any way logical?

 

[DemonTim]

Messenger youre admin. I've been told admin can confirm aliases. Is that correct?

 

[Gough]

Straight folk have it off in public too you know.