Trengove Gone - 3 Weeks

[MattyB_76]

I also question the standard of umpiring where a 3-week offence is missed at a stoppage.

Exactly ... because the standard of umpiring in general has been great this year.

 

[Power King]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

This is possibly the worst suspension I've ever seen, and that includes Peter Burgoyne's shin nudge on Aaron Davey a few years ago, a player from my own team.

Haven't read the thread but I would bet that any reasonable crows fan would agree that it is an outrageous decision.

 

[lewigie]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

Three weeks is harsh, but he grabbed him and slung his head into the turf. It's not even ****ing allowed in rugby ffs, and these tackles do NOT happen 10-15 times in a normal game! Otherwise there would be alot more injuries.

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

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The "worst decision I've ever seen" crew obviously missed Shane Mumford being suspended for the exact same thing last season. If anything, that decision was worse. Guess the majority of fans (and media) only care when a Victorian team is affected.

 

[bluepride]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

Been taught by entire life all the way through the ranks to grab both arms and pull them back as to release the ball and he cant dispose of it.

Like I have said before, all my mates at uni when we go to the pub and watch they ask me alot of questions about why paticular things occur and so often (and I know my football) start to explain and realise......you cant ****ing explain it because its not even clear cut.

Try explaing hands in the back to someone that hasnt watched or understood the game from birth.

I have no idea how I would explain how that tackle was outside the laws of the game, because I dont know what law he broke "If I hear a poster say he slung him.....he had the bloody ball and dropped it"

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Worst suspension I've seen.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

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Three weeks is harsh, but he grabbed him and slung his head into the turf. It's not even ****ing allowed in rugby ffs, and these tackles do NOT happen 10-15 times in a normal game! Otherwise there would be alot more injuries.

slung his head into the turf?

did we watch a different incident???

 

[gPhonque]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

The "worst decision I've ever seen" crew obviously missed Shane Mumford being suspended for the exact same thing last season. If anything, that decision was worse. Guess the majority of fans (and media) only care when a Victorian team is affected.

Oh please.

You got it right the first time.... I obviously missed the Mumford incident. Has nothing to do with the team involved. Stop trying to read more into things than there actually is.

Three weeks is harsh, but he grabbed him and slung his head into the turf.

No he didn't. He tackled him (perfectly I might add) and, unfortunately, his head hit the turf. It's called an accident. And when you play a full-contact sport, accidents happen.

Anybody who thinks that Trengove deserves anything for that tackle should go and watch another sport as they've clearly lost the plot, and forgotten what this sport is all about. If anything, Trengove should have WON a free kick for incorrect disposal, and a round of applause from his teammates for a good hard tackle - just as you were taught to do as a kid.

Personally, I think that as a business (which the Melbourne Football Club IS at the end of the day), they should take the AFL/MRP to court, and do everything and anything in their power to overturn this. Somebody has to stand up to this bullshit. I, as an Essendon supporter, would happily chip in to help pay the costs. Because as far as I'm concerned, it's about more than this one decision; it's about saving our game from a bunch of ****ing idiots who have clearly forgotten what it's all about.

These kinds of rubbish decisions can NOT be accepted. Enough's enough.

 

[Geddy Lee]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

The "worst decision I've ever seen" crew obviously missed Shane Mumford being suspended for the exact same thing last season. If anything, that decision was worse. Guess the majority of fans (and media) only care when a Victorian team is affected.

Provide the footage please.

I'll also provide the still frames of Dangerfield having both arms free before he hit the ground.

 

[Roby]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

If a player has the ball, and you tackle him, you risk the danger of getting at least two weeks.

In other words, don't tackle.

 

[Blackas87]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

we're not losing Jamar, Moloney, Sylvia, Jurrah, Davey, Frawley or Garland, each of whom I consider to be more important at the moment.

We are losing Jamar, he is out for 4 weeks

Under the rules its probably a dangerous tackle, but geez, 3 weeks for doing something thats been part of our game for 150 years, players will be thinking twice about tackling players, the tackle is dead.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

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But, what can we do? Nothing. We can sit on the internet and bitch with each other until our fingers are sore, but it won't change a thing. After one of our best wins in recent years, things have turned very sour for Melbourne supporters by losing Trengove for 3 and, more importantly, losing Grimes for the season. Despite this, if the Melbourne that showed up on Sunday shows up again in the next three weeks then it shouldn't matter. Grimes played no part in the win against Adelaide and whilst Trengove was very good, we can hopefully replace him with McKenzie who is an even better tackler. As a good a kid as Jack is, we're not losing Jamar, Moloney, Sylvia, Jurrah, Davey, Frawley or Garland, each of whom I consider to be more important at the moment.

Might want to reconsider this.

 

[The Dentist]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

The D's should have balls on this one and take a stand.
Press conference tomorrow hinting very strongly that Trengove is fit and available for selection, then pick him and prob have him withdraw at the last minute with a slightly bruised fingernail or words/senario to that affect.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

The "worst decision I've ever seen" crew obviously missed Shane Mumford being suspended for the exact same thing last season. If anything, that decision was worse. Guess the majority of fans (and media) only care when a Victorian team is affected.

The Mumford decision was an absolute disgrace as well. At the time I thought it was only because it was on Ablett but obviously I was wrong.

I would like to see what would happen if Judd lays a tackle similar to Trengove's this weekend. Guaranteed there is no way he would even have a case to answer let alone get 2-3 weeks.

I agree with those saying we should take it further. This is one that should go to court if need be, it is a decision that tears at the fabric of our game similar to the Franklin bump on cousins a couple of years back.

 

[Silvagnis]

Three weeks is harsh, but he grabbed him and slung his head into the turf. It's not even ****ing allowed in rugby ffs, and these tackles do NOT happen 10-15 times in a normal game! Otherwise there would be alot more injuries.

Agreed. Dangerous tackle if you pin their arms before slinging them 180 degrees and into the turf. Dangerfield couldn't protect himself due to his right arm being pinned. Dangerfield could have suffered serious trauma if his head had collided with another player's knee. And Trengove backed up to sling another opponent right after that. They know they're not allowed to chicken wing players with these sort of tackles. Trengove's tackles were straight out of the NRL. Funnily enough, the Demons have had Robbie Kearns from the Storm talking to them about tackling.

 

[Brilliant]

I thought the Mumford one was crap as well for what it's worth. The Geelong boys were sledging him and giving it to him all day the he basically picked up Ablett and body slammed him. It was awesome.

It was more deliberate and Mumford is twice the size of ablett. It wasn't exactly the same as this one. That's why there was less uproar, not because he's a Sydney player.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

What would you have had him do? Just let him hand the ball offto a teammate? This is a contact sport FFS. Pin the free arm to prevent handball and tackle to ground to prevent the kick. This was all done in the one motion. If he pinned the arm and then seconds later dumped him into the turf it would be different but he did it all in the one action. So what you have had him do?

 

[Pipefitter]

Should have given him a week max for incidental contact. How players intentionally strike another player and get less is beyond me.

 

[MattyB_76]

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Provide the footage please.

I'll also provide the still frames of Dangerfield having both arms free before he hit the ground.

Well, JT testified that he still had hold of Dangers arm when he hit the ground, either he was lying to the tribunal, or you need glasses. I'll go with the latter.

 

[yuba]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

This whole thread really needs to be in the main page because I'm sure the papers are going to be looking for public opinion. To be honest, I haven't even read any of the posts in this thread, I don't need to. I know the football public agrees with me. I love our game as do we all. The select few which always exist in any argument will say it's fair and should be 3 weeks but the majority, that have grown up with game, they know this is starting to go too far... Byron pickett for Melbourne almost singlehandedly put an end to the bump, we all understood the mentality behind the mrp coming down on it though and although we were sad to see it go, we accepted and moved on. Now.... Now we are seeing hard tackles being punished and this is starting to question the contact nature of the sport at it's core. We need our anger to be made public... I'm a frequent reader and seldom poster on these blogs but for this to be done by the mrp is very alarming to me. Players will be jostling without tackling like the Irish game soon... I've already seen the herald sun opinion poll and I'm not surprised. I ask you, how much less contact and softer will our game become before they stop ??? Are they waiting to be stopped ???

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

Well, JT testified that he still had hold of Dangers arm when he hit the ground, either he was lying to the tribunal, or you need glasses. I'll go with the latter.

it was the frame a split second before he hit the ground, i doubt JT would have recognized as 'letting go' of his arm but you could clearly see that after JT swung him he lost grip on his arm before he hit the ground

 

[Beloved]

Thought I'd share this here. Will post the full article to avoid whoring the link around.

And so it comes to be that in this day and age, the humble tackle is being forced out of our game.

Young Melbourne Demons star Jack Trengove appealed a two-match suspension handed out to him by the AFL after a slinging tackle rattled Adelaide's Patrick Dangerfield. Although the damage done to Dangerfield was accidental, the tackle was deemed as high impact, high contact and negligent conduct.

Trengove was offered two weeks with an early guilty plea but, as anybody would after such a ridiculous report, the case was challenged. Unfortunately for the Demons and football fans everywhere, Trengove received three weeks on the sidelines.

We have seen plenty of action taken to provide the players with a safer working environment, but the AFL have made the blunder of all blunders here.

Only a week ago we saw Adelaide's Richard Tambling and St. Kilda's Zac Dawson both escape striking charges with one-match suspensions each. Both incidents were quite obviously intentional whereas Trengove was completely unaware that Dangerfield had disposed of the ball.

Another Saint was on report in the wake of their clash with Carlton on Monday night with Leigh Montagna ruled out for an intentional bump on an injured Ed Curnow who was on his way to the bench. The AFL's ruling? Just one week on the sidelines.

In 2010, Carlton captain Chris Judd had no case to answer after he made contact to Fremantle's Matthew Pavlich with his elbow, resulting in five stitches underneath Pavlich's right eye. The AFL advised that "contact was below that required to constitute a reportable offence."

If the AFL's intent was to pound it into the minds of players that striking is okay but challenging the man with the ball is not, they have done a magnificent job.

Just imagine how young, impressionable minds both at grassroots level and in the AFL will react to this news. The very last thing that the modern game needs is for more hardiness to be sucked out of the competition after a number of rule alterations are helping make contact a thing of the past. With the recent ruling on Trengove's case, players have a reason to be tentative when approaching a tackling situation and that's not the right mindset for an AFL footballer.

It is understandable that a negligent strike or bump should result in a penalty but to even suggest that a player should be ruled out for a tackle with no malicious intent is laughable at best. At this rate, players will be wearing skirts and bibs within the next few years.

Trengove The Victim Of A Tribunal Blunder

 

[melbournemartin]

Just in case people wanted to get a more direct answer:

http://www.findlaw.com.au/lawyer/644...ew-tinney.aspx

http://www.vicbar.com.au/WebData/pdf...ALR_JanNew.pdf

There are two different phone numbers there, and one email address. I personally won't be contacting him but just in case others want to...

 

[}>-DEMON-<{]

Re: RIP: Tackling in AFL

Well, JT testified that he still had hold of Dangers arm when he hit the ground, either he was lying to the tribunal, or you need glasses. I'll go with the latter.

It is SO pathetic of you to argue simply because it was one of your players that go hurt. That is not the issue, he got hurt in unfortunate circumstances by a player doing nothing wrong and you should not agree with penalising that no matter what jumper the bloke is wearing

 

[MattyB_76]

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It is SO pathetic of you to argue simply because it was one of your players that go hurt. That is not the issue, he got hurt in unfortunate circumstances by a player doing nothing wrong and you should not agree with penalising that no matter what jumper the bloke is wearing

No dude, it's pathetic of you to criticise me when you clearly don't know the rules of the game. Sling tackles with or without a player's arm pinned that result in injury will be reported.

Go away and read the rules, watch the Laws of the Game videos (both available on afl.com.au), then come back an apologise.