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I'm hoping the same people who are writing off Trent are the same people who said Walker needs to spend more time in the SANFL or Knights can't play.

Still amazes me how some people have no feel the game whatsever. It seems Trent, Griffin and Douglas were the only Crows players to have a bad game last week.:rolleyes:
 
Just a favour ....could we sticky this or make sure it stays on the board so everyone gets to see how to spell his name right.

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ww why do you ignore all evidence, and then pretend there is no greater evidence than you have observed.

After you ignored the updates to the free agency thread, i thought you might have learnt something.

or maybe you're right and everyone else including the club (who don't play him in the same role) are wrong.
 
Crow-mo said:
ww why do you ignore all evidence, and then pretend there is no greater evidence than you have observed.

After you ignored the updates to the free agency thread, i thought you might have learnt something.

or maybe you're right and everyone else including the club (who don't play him in the same role) are wrong.
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On both points lets put my statements into a time vault and open end of the season

Too early to call any victory on either point yet my friend ;):)
 
Haha. Yeah the the AFL wizard will teleport down off his injury cloud and caste a rejuvenation spell on Hentschel's legs and they will magically revert to pre injury flexibility and strength.

That is the only way anything you have said will actually approach what can rationally be considered fact.
 
I mean he can't play the same role, and the club doesn't even try.
He is visibly slower and less agile according to everyone else but you.
His production is down
his performances last year and this year are down

and the only thing you present to support your lone theory that he is back to where he was, is to "believe"?

Yet you claim there is no more evidence emperical or statistical out there other than your article of faith?

How is that so?
 
btw your time vault tactic is a cop out. Either is back at 100% now or he isn't.

And you claim that he is 100% right now. A claim you have made a number of times over the preseason. Why should anyone wait to assess his progress as of now? ;)
 
As much as I wanted him to return and look the player he was pre-injury, I never much liked his chances. Wouldn't mind an opportunity to see him play the Stevens role live, should the coaches go that way. Might be something in it.
 
Amer, a number of people have about roles and ways he might still be effective and how he could contribute given his smarts experience etc.

That's another one, and whilst i am of the opinion stevens currently offers more - that is certainly the sort of role you could see him being effective in.

However, 100% trent would never be a 3rd man up in defence type. 100% trent is a goal scoring threat at CHF taking marks on the lead and grabbing contested ball.

When was the last time he took marks on the lead opposed by someone breathing diwn his neck?

Like you i think we have to make the best of what we have got; but I struggle with how someone can say he is 100% and not be able to point to passages of play or actual performance to back it up.
 
Anyone who thinks Trent is as good as he ever was, clearly has forgotten just how good he was in 06, and how much better he looked like he could be.

Like, legitimately, he looked at that point like he could be the champion forward we were looking so desperately for.

He'll never be that, or anything more than 'handy' now.

He might play a good role in some matches, but lets not act like the injury didnt rob him of a hell of alot.
 
I fear you could be right Southern. Even an extreme optimist like me would have to admit the signs are abit worrying. However, I would like to see him play a few games down back as the third tall. Remember how Bock and Rutten looked a couple of years ago, very average forwards, AA backman.
 

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Crow-mo said:
I mean he can't play the same role, and the club doesn't even try.
He is visibly slower and less agile according to everyone else but you.
His production is down
his performances last year and this year are down

and the only thing you present to support your lone theory that he is back to where he was, is to "believe"?

Yet you claim there is no more evidence emperical or statistical out there other than your article of faith?

How is that so?
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:confused:.......this conclusion after one game :p

Yep performances are down ......after one game

Yep season statistics will show alot ....after one game

Yep visibly slower ....according to who and again based on what??

Cmon I can name 10 players last week who were as bad ......do we write them off as well ;)
 
Far too early to write Trent off. Give him a few games at least before coming to the conclusion that he's finished as an AFL footballer. Hardly any of our players were winners last week. Why pick on Trent or anyone else?
I'm more concerned about what seemed to be a lack of passion in the entire side last week. I hope it was an aberration and that we turn it around an thump the Swans this week.
 
beartoo said:
Far too early to write Trent off. Give him a few games at least before coming to the conclusion that he's finished as an AFL footballer. Hardly any of our players were winners last week. Why pick on Trent or anyone else?
I'm more concerned about what seemed to be a lack of passion in the entire side last week. I hope it was an aberration and that we turn it around an thump the Swans this week.
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Yep concerned about passion and also lack of cohesive teamwork
 
Wayne's-World said:
:confused:.......this conclusion after one game :p

Yep performances are down ......after one game

Yep season statistics will show alot ....after one game

Yep visibly slower ....according to who and again based on what??

Cmon I can name 10 players last week who were as bad ......do we write them off as well ;)
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He's not talking about one game. The preseason matches painted a similar picture, as did the matches towards the end of last season.

Is it too early to say he'll never make it back as a key forward at AFL level? It probably is, yes. But at this stage it's only blind hope that sees him ever back there. The evidence, currently, to the contrary is overwhelming.
 
cmndstab said:
He's not talking about one game. The preseason matches painted a similar picture, as did the matches towards the end of last season.

Is it too early to say he'll never make it back as a key forward at AFL level? It probably is, yes. But at this stage it's only blind hope that sees him ever back there. The evidence, currently, to the contrary is overwhelming.
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Thankyou ....that's all I'm saying
 
The emergence of Tippett and Walker as key forwards has basically stuffed Trent's chance of making it back as a forward. If he plays up forward now it is as the third target and he sees little of the footy or playing higher up the ground - a role that never suited him when he was 100% fit, let alone now.

In defence since 2006 Scott Stevens has come along and taken the 3rd tall / loose man role. And of course Bock and Rutten have a lock on FB/CHB.

He returned after a few years away and found that another family has moved into his house. He's a player without a home. It's an awkward situation.
 

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Carl Spackler said:
The emergence of Tippett and Walker as key forwards has basically stuffed Trent's chance of making it back as a forward. If he plays up forward now it is as the third target and he sees little of the footy or playing higher up the ground - a role that never suited him when he was 100% fit, let alone now.

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You see I disagree ......now Trent will get the third best defensive tall ...or even better get a mis-match

With his smarts .....
 
cmndstab said:
But at this stage it's only blind hope that sees him ever back there. The evidence, currently, to the contrary is overwhelming.
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Like the fact that he has completed every session this pre season? It's very easy to point to reasons why somebody is not performing when they had a previous injury... but the possibility remains they might just be a little out of form just like 10 other players last week.

Reality is Trent has played about 10 games in 4 years... his injury might be a factor in his form, but there are possibly plenty of other reasons also.

When at his best I hardly remember him as someone with dazzling agility and athleticism. He relied on his footy smarts / skills which he still displays.

Having said that... my main issue from last week with Trent was some of his off the ball work (i.e. tackling)... which really the whole team were down in.
 
Wayne's-World said:
:confused:.......this conclusion after one game :p

Yep performances are down ......after one game

Yep season statistics will show alot ....after one game

Yep visibly slower ....according to who and again based on what??

Cmon I can name 10 players last week who were as bad ......do we write them off as well ;)
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one game? clutching at straws much? :p
 
Wayne's-World said:
Thankyou ....that's all I'm saying
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stop backing away from your position. this is not what you have been saying, in this thread and others. though I appreciate why you might want to back away somewhat.

you've said on many occasions this year, that is 100% back to the same level as pre-injury. that he has lost nothing, and in this thread you have claimed he is our most mobile and agile forward.

that is very different to saying "what and see, maybe there is a place for him". :cool:
 
Crow-mo said:
stop backing away from your position. this is not what you have been saying, in this thread and others. though I appreciate why you might want to back away somewhat.

you've said on many occasions this year, that is 100% back to the same level as pre-injury. that he has lost nothing, and in this thread you have claimed he is our most mobile and agile forward.

that is very different to saying "what and see, maybe there is a place for him". :cool:
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I stick by those comments!

What I agreed to was the following statement:
Is it too early to say he'll never make it back as a key forward at AFL level? It probably is, yes.
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Now how is that backing away from my position ..........the quote clearly states that in all probability he'll make it back as a key forwrd at AFL level ....

No statement of reduced physical capacity mentioned that I can see?
 

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