Triggy

[arrowman]

Could I just ask everyone who has said on this thread that NC predicted we would finish top 4 this season, please post a link as evidence of that prediction.

Good grief, by post #46 (Allbetsroff) it had become a promise.

 

[subaru]

I'd like to know what they are meant to say?
Build them up ...too higher expectations... keep the lid on ...mediocrity...

Lose/lose all this comentary from coaches.

 

[arrowman]

I wonder how a fringe SANFL player gets to be President of the club.

1. Rob Chapman was never, IIRC, an SANFL player - fringe or otherwise.

2. As for Triggy - I wasn't aware that on-field football ability was a necessary qualification for being CEO of a professional football club with a $30m annual turnover.

Triggy is IMHO one of the classier acts among AFL CEOs.

 

[fairfooty]

The really disturbing this about the Adelaide Board at the moment is the negative attention we are attracting from other clubs supporters - when they are accusing us of 'eating our own' then its time to be quiet and take a good hard look at ourselves.

Honestly the feral baying for blood on this board is unbelievable. Name one team that hasn't gone through a horror patch at some stage - and for some teams they last for years. I'm confident this is not a long term problem. We will eventually come out the other side. And I hope the feral loud mouths on this board and at the race yesterday have departed for a club elsewhere full of feral unreasonable supporters where they belong (and will feel right at home).

The worst thing you can do with someone (and not necessarily just footballers and coaches) is to bag them when they are down on confidence. The foul mouths on this board are just ensuring the perpetuation of a bad situation.

NC has a good track record at this club given only one team wins each year (and there are 16 of them). Anyone would think reading this board that he is deliberately coaching the team into the ground. Not true and anyone who believes that is an idiot - don't come Monday.

NC and the whole team have my full ongoing support.

See you Friday.

 

[arrowman]

Football is entertainment, people pay and pay well to be entertained. If the product Craigy and the boys club are dishing out is insipid garbage, people are entitled to be upset, they pay for that entitlement.

Movies, theatre and concerts (etc) are entertainment. Sport is sport.

When it comes to "entertainment", I'd have been quite happy to be a Sydney supporter in 2005, thanks very much.

As a supporter of the club, I am entitled to be upset and frustrated when the performance is insipid. And I am entitled to be disappointed, but not angry/upset, when we play well and are beaten by a better team.

But not because I've paid money to be "entertained".

Clubs that don't question their own performances never win premierships, wonder why Adelaide hasn't won a premiership in 12 years?

Richmond haven't won a flag in a lot longer than that - and their supporters are renowned for their methods of "questioning the club's performance".

 

[arrowman]

The really disturbing this about the Adelaide Board at the moment is the negative attention we are attracting from other clubs supporters - when they are accusing us of 'eating our own' then its time to be quiet and take a good hard look at ourselves.

Good comment. One virtual sign thing we should all have hanging on our virtual walls at the moment is:

We are not Richmond

In fairness, there's also a lot of intelligent, reasoned critique of the way the team is performing at the moment. There is a fine line between that, and "eating our own".

Anyone would think reading this board that he is deliberately coaching the team into the ground.

I'd like to hear from people on this board, and elsewhere, who have in the past bemoaned the fact that the AFC hasd never "bottomed out" and pick up high draft picks. To them I say:

Guys, this is what it feels like. Still want it?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'd like to hear from people on this board, and elsewhere, who have in the past bemoaned the fact that the AFC hasd never "bottomed out" and pick up high draft picks. To them I say:

Guys, this is what it feels like. Still want it?

We fielded the fourth oldest team in the competition though this weekend

We're not blooding youngsters (apart from some forced injury cover) or winning.

Not much to get excited about so far!

 

[Allbetsroff]

Movies, theatre and concerts (etc) are entertainment. Spectator Sport is entertainment.

fixed that for you.

 

[relapse]

Could I just ask everyone who has said on this thread that NC predicted we would finish top 4 this season, please post a link as evidence of that prediction.

Good grief, by post #46 (amer, IIRC) it had become a promise.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/neil-craig-crows-must-reach-the-top-four/story-e6frecoc-1225842745459

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/craig-focused-on-topfour-spot-20100325-qzuj.html

lets not also forget "the perfect storm"

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/neil-craig-says-crows-third-afl-premiership-is-within-reach/story-e6frecjc-1225822495945

I hope the Craig fans arent now trying to rewrite the past in an effort to try and defend him.

 

[PCORF]

Yeah NC copped it. Fully deserved. The public pay good money and want to see 22 humans play football - not 22 robots.

Robots, very funny!

They're still humans though and this team is still feeling the effects of that horrible loss last year.

Obviously this team has forgotten how to play attacking footy?

 

[Allbetsroff]

Robots, very funny!

They're still humans though and this team is still feeling the effects of that horrible loss last year.

Obviously this team has forgotten how to play attacking footy?

Excuse.

 

[agentofdoom]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/neil-craig-crows-must-reach-the-top-four/story-e6frecoc-1225842745459

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/craig-focused-on-topfour-spot-20100325-qzuj.html

lets not also forget "the perfect storm"

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/neil-craig-says-crows-third-afl-premiership-is-within-reach/story-e6frecjc-1225822495945

I hope the Craig fans arent now trying to rewrite the past in an effort to try and defend him.

thank you for posting the evidences, I work in Melbourne and all my Victorian work mates have constantly remind me that NC said that we are a top four team, maybe he meant to say bottom four...

 

[King Elvis]

We fielded the fourth oldest team in the competition though this weekend

We're not blooding youngsters (apart from some forced injury cover) or winning.

Not much to get excited about so far!

We have 4 players though who skew those figures pretty severely.

Obviously you can't, but take those 4 out (or even 2 of them) and it'd have a pretty significant impact on the average age of our side.

 

[arrowman]

I'd like to say a few words about the crowd on Saturday, and the question of "being a supporter" in general, from my own perspective.

I can't recall the last time I was so angry and frustrated watching the Crows, over and extended (4 weeks now) period.

At the end of the first home game v Sydney, I just said loudly "well that was CRAP!" at the end of the game, and a lady behind me promptly gave me a piece of her mind for not being a good supporter, "we're the 19th man, we're supposed to support the boys" and all that sort of thing. I kept my cool (I'm new to this seating area and I didn't want to get off to a bad start with my new "family" ) and her husband called her off but if I had wanted to argue the point with her, I would have said something like this:

- So - what - if you could have 5 minutes with the players right now, what would you tell them - how well they played?
- Yes, I'm angry - but it's because I love the club and I want to see my club be competitive and successful.
- I always try to be positive in my attitude from the terraces - in fact one of the reasons I moved my seat this year was because I had had enough of the negativity (and football ignorance) of some of the people around me.

I am, IMHO, entitled to (as I did) stand and hold my arms out in bewilderment when a player turns into a tackle, or delivers a hospital handpass. I am entitled to shout "NO!!! WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THAT!!!"

I am also obliged, as a supporter, to applaud the good things or the good moves that didn't quite come off.

I am NOT entitled to hurl abuse at the players and coach when they are coming off the ground. It is one thing to shout in frustration "that was crap!" from the terraces, it is another to deliver it to the players/coach personally.

That's not a matter of courage (or lack of), it's a matter of knowing what is appropriate (and what you get for paying your money) and what is not.

One thing struck me - and pleased me - about the crowd on Saturday. And that was the roar that started in the last quarter when we started playing well, and for a brief moment it looked like we could mount a comeback that might even go close to a miraculous win. It showed that the crowd was still "there" for the team. It was good to hear, and be a part of.

OK, now I'm over it. I've got over the anger and disappointment of our start to the season, when expectations were so high. I am gradually analysing what is happening, and (with the help of reading the thoughts of many BF writers), thinking about what may happen next.

I am reshaping my expectations from this season, and I am ready to shout "crap!" less, and "come ON!" more.

Because (a) I know that this is what I must do, if I am to count myself as a supporter and not a spectator, and (b) I will enjoy my footy more, even the losses, if only I am watching a team that is working hard (in every sense, from coaches down).

And I will be there when the next success comes, knowing I was always there, and as has been said before on this board, I will be entitled to bask in the glory because I was there all along.

PS Some have said we may see a lot of people dropping their memberships after this year. GOOD. We need a cleanout in the crowd, we need new blood. There are too many spectators and not enough supporters.

 

[aneale]

I'd like to say a few words about the crowd on Saturday, and the question of "being a supporter" in general, from my own perspective.

I can't recall the last time I was so angry and frustrated watching the Crows, over and extended (4 weeks now) period.

At the end of the first home game v Sydney, I just said loudly "well that was CRAP!" at the end of the game, and a lady behind me promptly gave me a piece of her mind for not being a good supporter, "we're the 19th man, we're supposed to support the boys" and all that sort of thing. I kept my cool (I'm new to this seating area and I didn't want to get off to a bad start with my new "family" ) and her husband called her off but if I had wanted to argue the point with her, I would have said something like this:

- So - what - if you could have 5 minutes with the players right now, what would you tell them - how well they played?
- Yes, I'm angry - but it's because I love the club and I want to see my club be competitive and successful.
- I always try to be positive in my attitude from the terraces - in fact one of the reasons I moved my seat this year was because I had had enough of the negativity (and football ignorance) of some of the people around me.

I am, IMHO, entitled to (as I did) stand and hold my arms out in bewilderment when a player turns into a tackle, or delivers a hospital handpass. I am entitled to shout "NO!!! WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THAT!!!"

I am also obliged, as a supporter, to applaud the good things or the good moves that didn't quite come off.

I am NOT entitled to hurl abuse at the players and coach when they are coming off the ground. It is one thing to shout in frustration "that was crap!" from the terraces, it is another to deliver it to the players/coach personally.

That's not a matter of courage (or lack of), it's a matter of knowing what is appropriate (and what you get for paying your money) and what is not.

One thing struck me - and pleased me - about the crowd on Saturday. And that was the roar that started in the last quarter when we started playing well, and for a brief moment it looked like we could mount a comeback that might even go close to a miraculous win. It showed that the crowd was still "there" for the team. It was good to hear, and be a part of.

OK, now I'm over it. I've got over the anger and disappointment of our start to the season, when expectations were so high. I am gradually analysing what is happening, and (with the help of reading the thoughts of many BF writers), thinking about what may happen next.

I am reshaping my expectations from this season, and I am ready to shout "crap!" less, and "come ON!" more.

Because (a) I know that this is what I must do, if I am to count myself as a supporter and not a spectator, and (b) I will enjoy my footy more, even the losses, if only I am watching a team that is working hard (in every sense, from coaches down).

And I will be there when the next success comes, knowing I was always there, and as has been said before on this board, I will be entitled to bask in the glory because I was there all along.

PS Some have said we may see a lot of people dropping their memberships after this year. GOOD. We need a cleanout in the crowd, we need new blood. There are too many spectators and not enough supporters.

I made a comment to one of my mates yesterday that there appears to be a lot who did at the end of last year, there are about 25 new faces sitting around (within 3 rows) me this year who have now been to the opening 2 home games. Looks to be a big drop off from our little area.

 

[arrowman]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/neil-craig-crows-must-reach-the-top-four/story-e6frecoc-1225842745459

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/craig-focused-on-topfour-spot-20100325-qzuj.html

lets not also forget "the perfect storm"

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/neil-craig-says-crows-third-afl-premiership-is-within-reach/story-e6frecjc-1225822495945

I hope the Craig fans arent now trying to rewrite the past in an effort to try and defend him.

Fail. None of those links quote NC as predicting or promising we would finish top 4, or win the flag.

You have made the mistake that a lot of people have made - confusing a statement about the high expectations the coach and players place on themselves, with a prediction or promise that they will achieve certain things in the coming season.

What, exactly, do you think he should have said after last year's result? Something like "In 2009 we played above our ability, we expect we'll probably stagnate or slip back a bit in 2010, we don't have any expectations of improvement."

 

[graps]

I'd like to say a few words about the crowd on Saturday, and the question of "being a supporter" in general, from my own perspective.

I can't recall the last time I was so angry and frustrated watching the Crows, over and extended (4 weeks now) period.

At the end of the first home game v Sydney, I just said loudly "well that was CRAP!" at the end of the game, and a lady behind me promptly gave me a piece of her mind for not being a good supporter, "we're the 19th man, we're supposed to support the boys" and all that sort of thing. I kept my cool (I'm new to this seating area and I didn't want to get off to a bad start with my new "family" ) and her husband called her off but if I had wanted to argue the point with her, I would have said something like this:

- So - what - if you could have 5 minutes with the players right now, what would you tell them - how well they played?
- Yes, I'm angry - but it's because I love the club and I want to see my club be competitive and successful.
- I always try to be positive in my attitude from the terraces - in fact one of the reasons I moved my seat this year was because I had had enough of the negativity (and football ignorance) of some of the people around me.

I am, IMHO, entitled to (as I did) stand and hold my arms out in bewilderment when a player turns into a tackle, or delivers a hospital handpass. I am entitled to shout "NO!!! WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THAT!!!"

I am also obliged, as a supporter, to applaud the good things or the good moves that didn't quite come off.

I am NOT entitled to hurl abuse at the players and coach when they are coming off the ground. It is one thing to shout in frustration "that was crap!" from the terraces, it is another to deliver it to the players/coach personally.

That's not a matter of courage (or lack of), it's a matter of knowing what is appropriate (and what you get for paying your money) and what is not.

One thing struck me - and pleased me - about the crowd on Saturday. And that was the roar that started in the last quarter when we started playing well, and for a brief moment it looked like we could mount a comeback that might even go close to a miraculous win. It showed that the crowd was still "there" for the team. It was good to hear, and be a part of.

OK, now I'm over it. I've got over the anger and disappointment of our start to the season, when expectations were so high. I am gradually analysing what is happening, and (with the help of reading the thoughts of many BF writers), thinking about what may happen next.

I am reshaping my expectations from this season, and I am ready to shout "crap!" less, and "come ON!" more.

Because (a) I know that this is what I must do, if I am to count myself as a supporter and not a spectator, and (b) I will enjoy my footy more, even the losses, if only I am watching a team that is working hard (in every sense, from coaches down).

And I will be there when the next success comes, knowing I was always there, and as has been said before on this board, I will be entitled to bask in the glory because I was there all along.

PS Some have said we may see a lot of people dropping their memberships after this year. GOOD. We need a cleanout in the crowd, we need new blood. There are too many spectators and not enough supporters.

Sir, your ideas intrigue me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We have 4 players though who skew those figures pretty severely.

Obviously you can't, but take those 4 out (or even 2 of them) and it'd have a pretty significant impact on the average age of our side.

A fit Stevens and Bock would make a difference too. The wrong way though!

 

[ltdamn]

No, he couldn't. No AFL coach has that luxury. And implying that it's OK for supporters to abuse him and the players as a result, simply because they've paid money to attend, is a disgraceful attitude to take, and one that belongs at other clubs, rather than at West Lakes.

I didn't say any of this, stop lying.

Yes, you did imply that it is OK for supporters to abuse the players and coach simply because they pay to attend, and others with you;

Yeah NC copped it. Fully deserved. The public pay good money and want to see 22 humans play football - not 22 robots.

Funny that, people don't really take it very well when you basically promise them you're having a tilt at a premiership and then go and lose the first 4 games.

people who abuse their own players and coaches don't deserve a premiership

Football is entertainment, people pay and pay well to be entertained. If the product Craigy and the boys club are dishing out is insipid garbage, people are entitled to be upset, they pay for that entitlement. Clubs that don't question their own performances never win premierships, wonder why Adelaide hasn't won a premiership in 12 years?

Alright, so you said that "people" don't take it well when Craig predicts a top 4 spot, and then loses his first four games. So would it be preferable for these same "people" if Craig simply gave no predictions of success at all?

No, .

If you used your brain you might have realised I was responding to the post about people abusing the players, pointing out sarcastically that one of the contributing factors may have been the promise craig made coupled with the Crows poor start.

But way to go over thinking it champ.

There is no amount of money that you could pay that will ever give you this entitlement. Being a supporter is not about simply paying money and expecting to have the right to abuse people and call for their sacking when things don't go your way, as they inevitably will over time.

 

[arrowman]

Movies, theatre and concerts (etc) are entertainment. Spectator Sport is entertainment.
fixed that for you.

Yes indeed. The key word being "spectator".

Which you may be, but I am not.

 

[SydCrow]

Have a look at the premiership table at round 22 from last year, those figures suggests Adelaide is a defensively oriented team, regardless of a few brief periods of brilliant attack - this is in 6 years of Neil Craig STODGE

Geelong had more points kicked against them last year - they are an offensively oriented team - they kicked 180 points more than the Crows

Neil Craig doesnt respect forwards !

Mate when you go to the game open your eyes, dont just parrot what MMM or Steven Rowe say - you are the unbelievably stupid one - Neil Craigs lack of emphasis on Skill over fitness may ruin this group of players for the next coach - he needs to be sacked immediately - the squad of players is ok -

hey newbie, welcome to the board

0-1 but keep trying

 

[cocka]

people who abuse their own players and coaches don't deserve a premiership

people who spend their money and time by buying memberships / tickets and turning up to the actual game, deserve to show their displeasure at losses and pleasure.
It's football you are supposed to passionate.

 

[Vader]

Have a look at the premiership table at round 22 from last year, those figures suggests Adelaide is a defensively oriented team, regardless of a few brief periods of brilliant attack - this is in 6 years of Neil Craig STODGE

Geelong had more points kicked against them last year - they are an offensively oriented team - they kicked 180 points more than the Crows

Neil Craig doesnt respect forwards !

Mate when you go to the game open your eyes, dont just parrot what MMM or Steven Rowe say - you are the unbelievably stupid one - Neil Craigs lack of emphasis on Skill over fitness may ruin this group of players for the next coach - he needs to be sacked immediately - the squad of players is ok -

What a load of garbage. After R22 last year we had scored 2104 points, at an average of 95.6 per game. That placed us 6th in the competition.

We had conceded just 1789 points (avg 81.3). This gave us a percentage of 117 - bettered only by the 4 teams above us on the ladder.

For most of his reign Neil Craig has had the Crows playing a defensive game plan. That was largely because he didn't have the cattle capable of kicking a decent score on a regular basis, so he set about building a team capable of doing just that - hence the recruitment of Tippett, Sellar, Davis, Walker, Porplyzia and others.

In 2009 we saw the gameplan which Craig had been envisioning all along. Yes, our attacks started in defence, but the firepower we saw on show in the 2nd half of the year was awesome. It beggars believe that you could trot out rubbish like "Have a look at the premiership table at round 22 from last year, those figures suggests Adelaide is a defensively oriented team, regardless of a few brief periods of brilliant attack."

Last year we had the balance of attack and defence pretty much spot on. I wish I could say the same about 2010.

 

[Vader]

people who spend their money and time by buying memberships / tickets and turning up to the actual game, deserve to show their displeasure at losses and pleasure.
It's football you are supposed to passionate.

Displeasure yes. It doesn't give anyone the right to abuse the players, the coaching staff, the club, the board members, or anyone else.

 

[Crow-mo]

He's never said he had a masterplan. He's been getting the best out of the list for five years. Whether or not his time might be up, he doesn't have to justify his actions of the last few years, as we've been clearly one of the AFL's most successful sides in that time.

actually I think this is the subtle complacency of lowered expectations.

now you want to rewrite history and say we haven't been building towards premiership contention, and haven't been "refreshing" our list?

really?