Troy Taylor

[Bazzar]

I clearly remember you saying "Taylor is close to the biggest dud on our list". I'm sure you've already deleted it though. I know you remember posting it.

Regardless, it's no different we're just establishing your dislike for him.

As I said in one post. Compare my love child Kingie to your love child Taylor.

One has 10 times the natural ability and class, and one has 10 times the dedication and desire to want to be in the best 22.

Which one do you want? Which one would Dimma want? I know which one I want.

If you are going to have second thoughts at this level, then its highly unlikely you will go on to extract all your ability and be successful. There are probably exceptions, but I can’t think of any.

 

[Barnzy]

As I said in one post. Compare my love child Kingie to your love child Taylor.

One has 10 times the natural ability and class, and one has 10 times the dedication and desire to want to be in the best 22.

Which one do you want? Which one would Dimma want? I know which one I want.

If you are going to have second thoughts at this level, then its highly unlikely you will go on to extract all your ability and be successful. There are probably exceptions, but I can’t think of any.

You're right. You'd take the one with the better attitude as even if someone is talented, if they don't put in 100% they're useless. That was always going to be the question mark with Taylor as he had the talent.

However, bit rich to say he' is/was my lovechild though. All I said about him was I wasn't ready to write him off ability wise after a few games and it wouldn't be a make or break year for him next year (if he didn't get into trouble off field again) as he is/was a long-term project. Didn't mention attitude. I never really pumped him as much as others did, showed signs in a couple of games but had a long way to go. Was very raw. Griffiths is in the same boat re people pumping him up.

Regardless, certainly is not even in the same hemisphere as your love for that dud King.

 

[Bazzar]

However, bit rich to say he' is/was my lovechild though.

You have mentioned it on numerous times that he is. No point denying it.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

In Bazz's defense, he did make a call on TT about his attitude and that we'd be better off cutting our losses or something similar. A lot of people jumped on his back, and if proven right he has a right to a come back.

The only thing is that nothing has officially changed at this point in time. So I hope you're not jumping the gun Bazz. This may well end up being a storm in a tea cup.

 

[tugga]

And didnt i cop it for saying this.

Nothng has happened yet.
He could well be on our list in 2012, and your bump will have proven nothing.

 

[Bazzar]

The only thing is that nothing has officially changed at this point in time. So I hope you're not jumping the gun Bazz. This may well end up being a storm in a tea cup.

If it is and he comes back and tears it up, i will still bump it and apologise. What gets me is our last 4 Indigenous boys were all reciuted with issues. Its not smart in my book. Our new policy is you won’t be drafted unless you are a quality disposer of the ball, so I hope they add to that you won’t be drafted unless you are mentally switched on. Our club is having hard enough time rebuilding its self, so getting dodgy foundations isn’t the way forward.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

If it is and he comes back and tears it up, i will still bump it and apologise. What gets me is our last 4 Indigenous boys were all reciuted with issues. Its not smart in my book. Our new policy is you won’t be drafted unless you are a quality disposer of the ball, so I hope they add to that you won’t be drafted unless you are mentally switched on. Our club is having hard enough time rebuilding its self, so getting dodgy foundations isn’t the way forward.

There is no doubt that clubs in general profile players from a mental and social point of view these days, no doubt whatsoever. And Richmond are no different. The fact is, TT was taken at 51 and RR in the rookie draft. The club was not really losing much at all by giving these guys a go. Especially in the case of TT, who was on the list proper, they obviously decided pick 51 was worthy of the effort to try and turn the kid around, considering the possible outcome (ie. loads of talent). I would hardly use the word foundation when describing the roles of these guys in the club. Look at the likes of Newy, Cotch, JR and Lids when using those type of words. Not one of those guys has put a foot wrong since joining our club. **TOUCH WOOD**

In fact, there are not too many left on our list who I would consider riff-raff.

Dustin Martin may well have been rejected using a strict policy like the one you are suggesting. The club must have some flexibility to work with. As long as they are doing it right on the majority of occasions, the odd risk is not an issue for me.

 

[tugga]

Dustin Martin may well have been rejected using a strict policy like the one you are suggesting. The club must have some flexibility to work with. As long as they are doing it right on the majority of occasions, the odd risk is not an issue for me.

I know what you are syaiong but the thing with Dustin was that he wasn't a troublemaker. Just dropped out of school very early.
Dustin wanted to do one thing and one thing only...play footy.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

I know what you are syaiong but the thing with Dustin was that he wasn't a troublemaker. Just dropped out of school very early.
Dustin wanted to do one thing and one thing only...play footy.

I agree, although I don't know much about whether Dusty got into a bit of trouble or not as a junior. Just referring to Bazz's "mentally switched on" reference, and pointing out that things are never black and white in this regards. The lines are very very grey. As long as we only take risks when the stakes are not so high (ie. low draft picks), can't complain too much.

 

[Bazzar]

I agree, although I don't know much about whether Dusty got into a bit of trouble or not as a junior. Just referring to Bazz's "mentally switched on" reference,

Who said he wasnt? Just because he left school early means nothing. He went and worked in the family business and played good footy, came back to Castlemain and worked extreamly hard at becoming the number 3 pick. If anything he looks to be more switched on than most.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Who said he wasnt? Just because he left school early means nothing. He went and worked in the family business and played good footy, came back to Castlemain and worked extreamly hard at becoming the number 3 pick. If anything he looks to be more switched on than most.

There's an article where he himself says he was getting himself into trouble whilst living at home with with mum, and that was the reason why he went to live with his dad in Sydney. Sounded more of a forced move to straighten him up than his own choice. Footy then became his focus which sees him now on the straight and narrow.

Now I understand that there is trouble and there is "Trouble", and that is exactly what I am saying. Nothing is black and white. In other words, seems like Dusty took some time to get things right, and now that he has, all is going well. Tt may well do the same, given time. Who knows.


EDIT:
I think this is the article I was remembering...

He's Strong and He's Bold

In other ways, Martin has tried not to move too far, too fast. As a teenager, he dropped out of his Castlemaine high school at the end of year nine, a decision he regrets now, but understands. “I was always keen to play AFL and I'd played in a schoolboys team and that sort of thing, but I started hanging out with blokes who weren't that interested in footy and who were kind of dragging me away from it a bit. Or, not dragging me away, but who probably just weren't such a good influence,” he said.

His father, Shane, made him move to Sydney and put him to work at his transport company, where Martin worked on the computer in the back office and loaded trucks. At Campbelltown, he played football alongside a few kids signed to NSW scholarships, and realised he should be able to play AFL too, if he wanted to.

I read the bold part as suggesting he was getting into a bit of trouble, and was dragged away to Sydney to straighten him up a bit.

 

[Capitano_Cotch]

I was at this years Jack Dyer medal and can clearly remember Taylor spending the WHOLE night alongside Richard Tambling and Allroy Gilligan.
Now that both of these players have left Punt Road, Taylor might feel uncomfortable. But either way, he should realise what he has right on a plate in front of him. An AFL career at a historic club in Richmond, thats the kind of stuff kids dream about when they're playing junior footy.
If he doesnt want to be part of it, then we seriously have to let him go.

 

[Groupie_]

I was at this years Jack Dyer medal and can clearly remember Taylor spending the WHOLE night alongside Richard Tambling and Allroy Gilligan.
Now that both of these players have left Punt Road, Taylor might feel uncomfortable. But either way, he should realise what he has right on a plate in front of him. An AFL career at a historic club in Richmond, thats the kind of stuff kids dream about when they're playing junior footy.
If he doesnt want to be part of it, then we seriously have to let him go.

I thought he and Mitch Morton were close?

 

[NQTIGER]

Bling leaving with attitude hasnt helped, and his comments about the RFC havent helped, lucky for him we are playing in rd 22 and over there.....it wouldnt be pretty on the G.

 

[Kapital city TIGER]

all the best for the fella, whatever his sht is, its probly not our biz, eh?

really hoping that he returns to RFC and gets some more big games this year.

Id say weve lost any claim to the dream time round, was really hoping to see Alroy this year but no dice.

wtf happened to our commitment to working with indigenous players?

do we just suck at supporting these lads,
did we have the wrong individuals,
or are we in our infancy at this commitment? which, btw is what exactly??

anyway, guess there is a bit to play out yet, so might be a bit early for navel gazing...

 

[theyellowsash]

i think we just have had the wrong individuals

rookies like relton are always a pretty quick make or break project

rookies like alroy are hit and miss just because they are rookies

players like peterson and taylor were talented but came with existing attitude problems that were taken because if we could get them right they would be gold.

tambling never had his head right for reasons that could affect anyone, regardless of race sex etc.

i would hazard to guess the failure rate with aboriginals is probably the same as with others, just they tend to stand out more because the media make a big deal about it. you could use our 2000-05 drafting as proof that white guys dont make it either.

 

[CoggaRules]

size and most definately what ive seen kicking are negatives.

apparently i dont deal in positives so wont upset anyone by not mentioning them.

beg to differ on that dude...you see all this hoo haa about size etc gets pissed up against the wall when they pull out games like Liam Jurrah. I mean you can go gaga about size, but you look at Jurrah and he is one of those types of athletes that can use a cricket bat cover for a sleeping bag as well. But you dont have much debate on whether his size will curtail his career do you?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Exactly. People here think I don’t rate him, which is rubbish. He has more freakish natural ability that the majority on our list. I am basing my opinion on that laconic laziness he appears to have. It’s not something you can just turn on and off at will. It’s in him, and again it’s only my opinion, but I just don’t see him changing. If im wrong we will end up with a very special player and I will gladly cop it and apologise.

...its just my opinion i know...but how about you just cop it for those remarks for a start...so taylor does'nt measure up to your lofty high standards of what constitutes a professional footballer...and what?!?...this so called opinion after watching this skinny young 18yo only play a couple of games of senior football?!?...give it a rest...please...
...you've just tainted taylors football attitude by calling him lazy...that is not an opinion thats just a stupid judgement call...
...no wonder some of these kids leave a club when they are confronted with attitudes like these...