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[Catfish Alley]

Quoting half a sentence is a whole new level of taking things out of context.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Yeah, better to not look at all.

what's the point in looking at the ingredients if you can't make reasonable inferences from that information? the only thing achieved by banning thimerosal for instance was to increase costs and reduce effectiveness of vaccination programs in the third world.

 

[Nothing]

Quoting a sentence is a level of context.

You would say that.

 

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[Prestigerrycomo]

Another anti vaxxer. Scary thing is we could now have another coming to the white house. Trump has said some very troublesome things about Vaccination

 

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[Long Live HFC]

He's not anti-vaccine. Did you watch the video? He makes a good point tho about Mercury. Mercury in vaccines doesn't sound like a good idea. He just says to avoid those vaccines.

you're as dumb as he is and you both failed chemistry.

Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/vaccination-myths-busted-by-science-cheat-sheet-on-immunisation/

Fact 9: Thiomersal is an organic, mercury-containing compound added to some vaccines as a preservative. It is the most widely-used preservative for vaccines that are provided in multi-dose vials. There is no evidence to suggest that the amount of thiomersal used in vaccines poses a health risk.

http://www.who.int/features/qa/84/en/

• Is it safe? Years of research have reduced concerns here. The type of mercury found in thimerosal, ethylmercury, differs from methylmercury, the type commonly found in fish and known to be harmful in large amounts. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted from the body much more quickly than methylmercury, and no scientific study has found a link between ethylmercury and autism or any other harmful effects.
• Amount in vaccines? Nonetheless, several public health agencies and vaccine manufacturers agreed in 1999 to cease using thimerosal as a precautionary measure. Today, no vaccine contains Thimerosal except the influenza vaccine, and Thimerosal-free alternatives are available.

http://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/goes-vaccine/

The multi-dose flu shot does contain a preservative called thimerosal, which breaks down into 49% ethylmercury and used to prevent bacterial contamination of the vaccine container. Ethylmercury, as I’ve discussed before, is processed differently by the body than methylmercury, the neurotoxin that can build up in the body and is found in fish. (Keep in mind the difference a letter can make in chemistry: methanol is anti-freeze while ethanol is a Chardonnay.) Ethylmercury is made of larger molecules that cannot enter the brain andexits the body within a week.

There is no danger in receiving a vaccine with thimerosal – they’re given all over the world and it’s been extensively studied, even for cumulative effects on children over several years. And, keep in mind, if you’re just one of those paranoid types, you can easily request and get a flu shot without the preservative.

http://gizmodo.com/setting-the-record-straight-debunking-all-the-flu-vacc-1455630807

First of all, the half-life of thiomersal in blood is around 2.2 days. That might seem long, but it means half is gone in a couple of days, cleared out by the kidneys. It does not accumulate.

But the math is even more telling. This flu vaccine, given once a year, has a maximum dose of 25 micrograms of mercury (but not elemental mercury). According to an NIH database, the LD50, that is, the approximate dose at which 50% of organisms will die (in this case a mouse), is 98 mg/kg body weight, if delivered subcutaneously, generally how vaccines are delivered.

A 20 kg child would get 25 micrograms of non-elemental mercury (this is important, thimerosal does not equal mercury) in one injection once a year. The theoretical LD50 dose for that same child would be around 2000 mg of thiomersal, or about 80,000 times higher than the amount of thiomersal in one vaccine dose–if vaccines used in children actually had thiomersal, which it doesn’t.

So, you would have to inject your child 80,000 times a day, every day, to make it potentially toxic.

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/scary-flu-vaccine-ingredients/

 

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[Long Live HFC]

Not nice to start calling people dumb...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...-replaced-with-something-even-more-toxic.aspx

i wasn't trying to be nice. you didn't deserve nice, and apparently still don't. you've merely replaced mercury with aluminium in your paranoid narrative (at least one of my links above covered it). when will formaldehyde get a run? lol, mercola

 

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[Good_Old]

In answer to the thread title, to immunize. To always immunize.

 

[MWPP]

This isn't even a debate
Vaccines are the answer . End of story
If anything , we should fund more vaccines like Men B
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/31662901/fight-for-robbie-s-life/
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The couple are also campaigning to have a federally funded vaccine for meningococcal B, the strain that caused Robbie’s infection and is responsible for 90 per cent of cases of meningococcal disease in WA.
While a vaccine against meningococcal C strain is part of the national immunisation program, several attempts to have the B vaccine funded since 2014 have failed."

I have no time for anti-vaxxers

 

[Crankitup]

Who is advocating for administering smallpox vax to babies in 2015?

It is certainly not on the immunisation schedule in Australia.

They probably refer to it cos it was so bloody successful in eradicating a very serious disease.

Sorry for thread resurrection but was doing some research on smallpox and came across this Bigfooty thread. A lot of what I have come across so far points to two things - (a) in the whole history of vaccinination/innocolation programs targeting smallpox, far more people have contracted the disease through them than have been protected from it and (b) better hygiene and sanitation are far more compelling causes for it's eradication in much the same way as polio & the Black Death/Bubonic Plague.

 

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[Messenger]

Sorry for thread resurrection but was doing some research on smallpox and came across this Bigfooty thread. A lot of what I have come across so far points to two things - (a) in the whole history of vaccinination/innocolation programs targeting smallpox, far more people have contracted the disease through them than have been protected from it and (b) better hygiene and sanitation are far more compelling causes for it's eradication in much the same way as polio & the Black Death/Bubonic Plague.

Early inoculation against smallpox hundreds of years ago used smallpox itself as the agent and so those inoculated could become the focus of an outbreak. Edward Jenner's work, well before sanitisation was common, pretty clearly demonstrated the protective properties of using a related virus to protect against smallpox.

 

[kickazz]

Sorry for thread resurrection but was doing some research on smallpox and came across this Bigfooty thread. A lot of what I have come across so far points to two things - (a) in the whole history of vaccinination/innocolation programs targeting smallpox, far more people have contracted the disease through them than have been protected from it and (b) better hygiene and sanitation are far more compelling causes for it's eradication in much the same way as polio & the Black Death/Bubonic Plague.

What are your actual figures, numbers for point a), and where did you get them from?

 

[Perth gal]

In a wierd way i can see both sides and see evidence that points to both sides of the argument.

 

[CM86]

In a wierd way i can see both sides and see evidence that points to both sides of the argument.

That is weird. Because only one side has evidence.

 

[Messenger]

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/detection/immunization_misconceptions/en/index1.html

 

[Gough]

Very few things in life come without risk, immunisation included. But you wouldn't stop crossing the road on the outside chance you might get hit by a bus.

 

[BALKAN]

Immunise your kids you stupid campaigners

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Very few things in life come without risk, immunisation included. But you wouldn't stop crossing the road on the outside chance you might get hit by a bus.

I don't shower on the off chance I slip on a bar of soap & die!!

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

I'm afraid something will happen to me if I step outside so I just sit in my basement on bigfooty all day.

 

[Long Live HFC]

Sorry for thread resurrection but was doing some research on smallpox and came across this Bigfooty thread. A lot of what I have come across so far points to two things - (a) in the whole history of vaccinination/innocolation programs targeting smallpox, far more people have contracted the disease through them than have been protected from it and (b) better hygiene and sanitation are far more compelling causes for it's eradication in much the same way as polio & the Black Death/Bubonic Plague.

what a load of crap.

 

[Procrastinator35]

In a wierd way i can see both sides and see evidence that points to both sides of the argument.

Infant/child mortality rates since the introduction of compulsory inoculations post 1960, suggests otherwise....An unequivocal Yes.