Player Watch Tyler Welsh

[arrowman]

Opening a spot up for a delisted player?

We had to delist a senior list player to make room for Ah Chee + 3 draft picks. There is no extra spot for a DFA.

 

[Bovo]

You should try reading the political threads.

No thanks. It’s bad enough here. “The umpires made sure so and so team won” or “the AFL made sure a Victorian team was in the GF.” I’d hate to see political threads

 

[CDC60]

Being delisted and put on the rookie list has a history of being delisted the next year or never playing more than a handful of games: Shoey and Burgess last year, Will Hamill

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Will Hamill

Age

25

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187cm

Wt

84kg

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Def

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Last 5

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8.8

2star

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4.4

2star

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4.4

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2.6

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1.4

3star

MG

135.2

2star

D

8.8

2star

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4.4

2star

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4.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

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1.4

2star

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135.2

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8.8

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4.4

2star

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4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

4star

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135.2

3star

the year before, then Andrew Mcpherson

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Andrew Mcpherson

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

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10.5

3star

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6.0

2star

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4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

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118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

, Ben Davis

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Ben Davis

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

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D/F

Career

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Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

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2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

, Paul Hunter, Kieran Strachan (2018), Cam Ellis-Yolmen and I've probably missed some.

Not a single success I can recall. We should show more guts and take a risk to find a 200 game player

 

[Truck25]

Being delisted and put on the rookie list has a history of being delisted the next year or never playing more than a handful of games: Shoey and Burgess last year, Will Hamill the year before, then Andrew Mcpherson, Ben Davis, Paul Hunter, Kieran Strachan (2018), Cam Ellis-Yolmen and I've probably missed some.

Not a single success I can recall. We should show more guts and take a risk to find a 200 game player

May not be exactly the same but Ben Keays was

• Originally drafted by Brisbane Lions with Pick #24 in the 2015 National Draft.
• Played 30 games for Brisbane between 2016 and 2019.
• Delisted by Brisbane at the end of the 2019 season.
• Picked up by Adelaide with Pick #7 in the 2019 Rookie Draft. [afc.com.au], [en.wikipedia.org]

 

[CDC60]

May not be exactly the same but Ben Keays was

• Originally drafted by Brisbane Lions with Pick #24 in the 2015 National Draft.
• Played 30 games for Brisbane between 2016 and 2019.
• Delisted by Brisbane at the end of the 2019 season.
• Picked up by Adelaide with Pick #7 in the 2019 Rookie Draft. [afc.com.au], [en.wikipedia.org]

It's not the same. Keays has not been listed, delisted and re-rookied by the Crows. We've had good success with the rookie list overall but never when they've been previously on the main list and delisted.

 

[daniel_4tw]

We could have taken Dodson last year instead right?

I think that was where we needed to be more ruthless and either pass on Welsh or take him as a rookie.

We drafted him. He deserves 2 years now. Didn’t show a lot but also had injuries.

He’s on notice now so this preseason he works his ass off and gives himself a shot. If not, his AFL career will be over before it begins.

 

[1970crow]

It's not the same. Keays has not been listed, delisted and re-rookied by the Crows. We've had good success with the rookie list overall but never when they've been previously on the main list and delisted.

Would be interested to know whether the change in strategy aligned with having our own SANFL team. Used to be for rolls of the dice like Atkins, now it’s a departure lounge.

 

[Mutineer]

We could have taken Dodson last year instead right?

I think that was where we needed to be more ruthless and either pass on Welsh or take him as a rookie.

We drafted him. He deserves 2 years now. Didn’t show a lot but also had injuries.

He’s on notice now so this preseason he works his ass off and gives himself a shot. If not, his AFL career will be over before it begins.

We drated him because we weren't using that pick on anyone else IIRC. Not sure but I don't think we had the list spots to take anyone else and rookie Welsh?

 

[Pugsley]

You should try reading the political threads.

I'll pass

 

[Bovo]

It's not the same. Keays has not been listed, delisted and re-rookied by the Crows. We've had good success with the rookie list overall but never when they've been previously on the main list and delisted.

Maybe it’s time one of our own became a success then!

 

[Vader]

Being delisted and put on the rookie list has a history of being delisted the next year or never playing more than a handful of games: Shoey and Burgess last year, Will Hamill the year before, then Andrew Mcpherson, Ben Davis, Paul Hunter, Kieran Strachan (2018), Cam Ellis-Yolmen and I've probably missed some.

Not a single success I can recall. We should show more guts and take a risk to find a 200 game player

You do realise that most (if not all) of these players were already contracted when they were shuffled to the rookie list? Failing to re-draft them would have had salary cap implications, and may not have even been possible.

Further, shuffling them to the rookie list freed up positions on the senior list, enabling us to make an extra selection in the ND - where the draft pool is deeper (compared to the RD). Can you please explain how this is a bad thing?

 

[Vader]

We drated him because we weren't using that pick on anyone else IIRC. Not sure but I don't think we had the list spots to take anyone else and rookie Welsh?

There's a fair argument that it came down to a choice between Dodson & Welsh in the ND, and we chose Welsh. We didn't have the option of taking both, and we didn't have the option of taking Welsh in the RD for the same reason we can't take Stevens in the RD this year.

 

[Fud#3]

There's a fair argument that it came down to a choice between Dodson & Welsh in the ND, and we chose Welsh. We didn't have the option of taking both, and we didn't have the option of taking Welsh in the RD for the same reason we can't take Stevens in the RD this year.

This is where not paying out Strachan (or Burgess, etc) last year cost us that spot.

Could have had Dobson in the main draft and Welsh as a rookie.

People were talking like it was an issue with cap space, but I think it was just us honouring the contracts

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You do realise that most (if not all) of these players were already contracted when they were shuffled to the rookie list? Failing to re-draft them would have had salary cap implications, and may not have even been possible.

Further, shuffling them to the rookie list freed up positions on the senior list, enabling us to make an extra selection in the ND - where the draft pool is deeper (compared to the RD). Can you please explain how this is a bad thing?

I'm against taking a 30 YO veteran of a club, and putting him on the rookie list

I understand the jist of your argument ....however, I still believe the rookie list was intended for players not drafted, that require further development, rather than lose them to the system

This manipulation by AFL Clubs is detrimental to the original intensions of rookie lists ......I'm in principle against delisting players off the main list & rookie them .....if a Club does that, they should not be allowed to rookie them, however another rival Club may rookie them, the incumbent Club libel for any Contract shortfall

 

[Vader]

I'm against taking a 30 YO veteran of a club, and putting him on the rookie list

I understand the jist of your argument ....however, I still believe the rookie list was intended for players not drafted, that require further development, rather than lose them to the system

This manipulation by AFL Clubs is detrimental to the original intensions of rookie lists ......I'm in principle against delisting players off the main list & rookie them .....if a Club does that, they should not be allowed to rookie them, however another rival Club may rookie them, the incumbent Club libel for any Contract shortfall

You are 100% correct that this is how the rookie list was originally intended to be used. To be fair, 3 of our current rookies fit this description - Turray, Borlase and McAndrew.

The AFL changed the rules back in the COVID era, and clubs have been taking advantage of it ever since. Given that this is what the rules allow, one can hardly blame them for taking advantage of it.

 

[Vader]

This is where not paying out Strachan (or Burgess, etc) last year cost us that spot.

Could have had Dobson in the main draft and Welsh as a rookie.

People were talking like it was an issue with cap space, but I think it was just us honouring the contracts

Contracts are supposed to be honoured. There are definitely salary cap implications for delisting a contracted player, but whether or not that would have been enough to prevent us from delisting such a player is a question which can only be answered from within the club.

Placing Strachan on the Inactive List enabled us to sign McAndrew in the PSSP, so we ended up having the best of both worlds - a SANFL backup ruckman, without compromising our 2024 salary cap or being seen as a club which dishonours contracts.

 

[skam85]

We could have taken Dodson last year instead right?

Yes if Brodie Smith hadn't hit his games trigger

 

[1970crow]

This is where not paying out Strachan (or Burgess, etc) last year cost us that spot.

Could have had Dobson in the main draft and Welsh as a rookie.

People were talking like it was an issue with cap space, but I think it was just us honouring the contracts

Strachan our only backup ruck, he was never an option to delist. Smith was the obvious one.

 

[ABAB]

Surely this puts to bed the stupid theory that he didn't go 100% in his draft year so the club didn't have to match a high bid.

There is no way the club would of asked him to do that.

Maybe he decided to do it himself but couldn't stop eating??? He has attributes to succeed in the AFL with pace and agility for his height but is coming back from a long way with his fitness and then got a long term foot injury which made this even harder.

 

[maxlilly]

It looks like we use our rookie list to cover for bad contracts
We've given a player too long a contract, oh, lets delist them and re-rookie them

I think we would be better just ripping the band aid off and leaving them delisted

Or maybe we don't hand out stupid contracts to fringe players in the first place

 

[Eagleboy2011]

This suggests Mitchell Stevens is not on our radar.

 

[Cromulant]

It looks like we use our rookie list to cover for bad contracts
We've given a player too long a contract, oh, lets delist them and re-rookie them

I think we would be better just ripping the band aid off and leaving them delisted

Or maybe we don't hand out stupid contracts to fringe players in the first place

He gets a 2 year deal as a rookie.

Give the kid a chance

 

[maxlilly]

He gets a 2 year deal as a rookie.

Give the kid a chance

I was referring to a post that said that we delist and re rookie a lot of players, but Welsh is in the same boat

 

[Cromulant]

I was referring to a post that said that we delist and re rookie a lot of players, but Welsh is in the same boat

So youve doubled down.

Cool

 

[maxlilly]

So youve doubled down.

Cool

You know this is a footy forum right, where people talk about football