UFC 321

[00Stinger]

3 minutes into round 1 lol. Tom hadn't fought in ages. Pretty safe bet he would have improved as it went on.

4.35 which is more than his last 3 fights went

Caused some facial damage early which we haven't seen anyone do to Apinall before

So yeah I would say he was fighting the perfect fight v Aspinall

Whether he would have gone on to win i don't know

 

[Topkent]

4.35 which is more than his last 3 fights went

Caused some facial damage early which we haven't seen anyone do to Apinall before

So yeah I would say he was fighting the perfect fight v Aspinall

Whether he would have gone on to win i don't know

I think you and old mate are basing it off expecting Tom to dominate. Gane did good, it was far from fight over in anyway

 

[Topkent]

Yeah it's funny because a lack of judgement/technical mistake that sees your head knocked off is a clear loss. But one that illegally disables your opponent to the point where they can't continue is seen as "ambiguous".

Dana doesn't like people having a loss on their record due to that though, he's made his stance clear since Jones had those illegal 12-6 elbows.

Yeah, even if tom continues on its possibly a fight altering moment because his eyes ****ed

 

[Mr Meow]

I think dominated is way off, I reckon he probably was losing the round but based off a couple clean jabs, one good body shot or punch and it could have swung the round it wasnt dominant

A combination of Tom previously only dominating (minus the injury fight) and Cyril being a big underdog = big time shock value at Cyril edging the early exchanges. Hence "domination" as the overreaction. It was about to be uncharted waters for Tom but just because he actually had a challenge ahead of him.

 

[00Stinger]

I think you and old mate are basing it off expecting Tom to dominate. Gane did good, it was far from fight over in anyway

You didn't bother to read my last line did you?

 

[Topkent]

You didn't bother to read my last line did you?

I did, but calling it a perfect fight was a bit of a stretch, it's not like he dropped him twice and reversed a takedown attempt. He edges a round against a guy who hardly fought in 2 years

 

[Struggle]

They've had forever to try and fix the rules for eye pokes. They get a warning in the back. It should be an instant point deduction
Should have been done after DC V Stipe 2

Blaming the gloves is a load of shit, it's a deliberate tactic used by a lot of fighters because they know it'll only be a warning the first 2 times they do it

 

[Around the Wicket]

He was eating some shots, I was actually a little worried for Tom considering all the media he was doing in the lead up

 

[Topkent]

They've had forever to try and fix the rules for eye pokes. They get a warning in the back. It should be an instant point deduction
Should have been done after DC V Stipe 2

Blaming the gloves is a load of shit, it's a deliberate tactic used by a lot of fighters because they know it'll only be a warning the first 2 times they do it

Yup, in a way you're stupid not to try get away with it. Same as a fence grab, glove grab etc. you basically get a free shot at cheating

 

[Around the Wicket]

Can’t do a rematch, make Tom v Volkov and Gane gets another shot if he wins a fight

 

[Topkent]

Can’t do a rematch, make Tom v Volkov and Gane gets another shot if he wins a fight

I think you have to do the rematch, Gane was winning as early as it was and Tom stomped Volkov first time, 0 hype for that even though he deserves it. Now at least people can point to Gane 'dominating' to build hype for a rematch

 

[Topkent]

I really hope that means a lot of people drop money on Gane for the rematch, still think Tom is levels above.

 

[Around the Wicket]

I think you have to do the rematch, Gane was winning as early as it was and Tom stomped Volkov first time, 0 hype for that even though he deserves it. Now at least people can point to Gane 'dominating' to build hype for a rematch

yea but he caused the foul so **** him

 

[Topkent]

yea but he caused the foul so **** him

I agree but read online, half the narrative is Tom ran Gane was dominating Aspinall shit etc. you've gotta fix this wrong

They should do a rematch and tell Game he's only getting paid half for ruining the show

 

[Mr Meow]

yea but he caused the foul so **** him

I would have ruled it a DQ loss but still given him the rematch. It's the one people want to see, the one Tom will want and it just makes the most sense.

But give Gane the mother of all warnings that eye poking in the rematch means he can say goodbye to title shots. I have a feeling he'd find a way to avoid this happening again.

 

[Mr Meow]

Dana's response to "what would it take for an eye poke to be deemed intentional?" was "who gives a shit?" and that was his stance around eye pokes in general. So I don't expect we'll see much change as far as disincentivising them.

 

[00Stinger]

I did, but calling it a perfect fight was a bit of a stretch, it's not like he dropped him twice and reversed a takedown attempt. He edges a round against a guy who hardly fought in 2 years

2 years? exaggeration at it bedst. 15 months it was. Last time he had a 12 month lay off he finished a guy within 90 seconds

Gane wasnt taking him tol school by any stretch. But I reckon his game plan wopuld have been to move aropund styay on teh feet and keep distance for the first round. Which he was doing perfectly

 

[Topkent]

2 years? exaggeration at it bedst. 15 months it was. Last time he had a 12 month lay off he finished a guy within 90 seconds

Gane wasnt taking him tol school by any stretch. But I reckon his game plan wopuld have been to move aropund styay on teh feet and keep distance for the first round. Which he was doing perfectly

That fight was a minute long, so hardly fought in a couple years. So now you're struggling to read what I said. But again you're using your pre fight bias. He finished the last guy in 90s so when he's not doing it ' he's getting schooled'

I rewatched the first round it's arguable Gane was even winning tbh. Gane also eye poked him in the take down defence with the same raking motion

 

[Upgrayedd]

They've had forever to try and fix the rules for eye pokes. They get a warning in the back. It should be an instant point deduction
Should have been done after DC V Stipe 2

Blaming the gloves is a load of shit, it's a deliberate tactic used by a lot of fighters because they know it'll only be a warning the first 2 times they do it

I don't think it's deliberate but they need to crack down on guys putting their hands up like that to manage distance, You saw Gane kind of push off with the open hand, Which led to the fingers going knuckle deep

Gane winning round 1, But I'm seeing people saying he quit or he was getting pieced up, hard disagree with those statements, a bloody nose and winning 3 minutes of a 25 minute fight is not really an indication of a fight.

Gane was looking good, As in, He was not fighting like an absolute knob like he did against Jones

Indicating that Tom Quit or anything is bullshit

Take aways

Some of the questions in the post fight were ****ing stupid, One "journalist" saying "can we grade eye pokes and should there be a rule to stop people from cancelling the fight if it isnt bad"
"you said Volkov was robbed against Gane and said you would make it up to him, why did Gane get the fight and not Volkov"

Man **** the MMA media

Glad Salkilld got an oppotunity, I know Luistro combat academy were trying to get Haddon/Salkilld on the perth card. Haddon been waiting for another chance after breaking his foot before his last fight. It's weird, you never know how buddy buddy the gyms are to the UFC, but Salkilld got the 10 day notice fight against an opponent in a little bit of a dangerous fight, then Haddon, same Gym, gets a massive oppotunity to fight at MSG

Been a fan of Bautista for a while, Even after the Aldo fight, I enjoy people actually rating him

Almeida is again, If a HW has an ounce of skill and defense on the ground he's cooked. He needs to go back down to LHW so he's not too scared to strike

Rakic looks cooked.

Walker is as ridiculous as his brother, In different ways, Im thinking "Dont ****ing go for another heel hook, You can hear Sanko talk about him saying he shouldnt hunt it, Bam, Gets it.

If you walking in to fight Walker and have some love handles, Your Knee Ligaments are in danger

No idea about Ikram. He looked terrible. Up until Whittaker just tore through him I thought he was going to be what Imavov is.

 

[Around the Wicket]

I agree but read online, half the narrative is Tom ran Gane was dominating Aspinall shit etc. you've gotta fix this wrong

They should do a rematch and tell Game he's only getting paid half for ruining the show

They said the same thing about Leon Edward’s v Belal.. & the rematch was a one sided beat down… the fight didn’t go long enough to determine who would have won… it was pretty 50-50 anyhow I thought.

 

[Upgrayedd]

They said the same thing about Leon Edward’s v Belal.. & the rematch was a one sided beat down… the fight didn’t go long enough to determine who would have won… it was pretty 50-50 anyhow I thought.

Yeah it was "Hey Gane is showing aggression and has probably looked composed against Tom, plus he's bloodied his nose"

Literally in 5 round fights the first round is hardly an indication of things happening. Sometimes it's feeling out, seeing what's happening and what an opponent is doing.

Aspinal got eye poked twice. Second one was nasty. Can't see out of one, second eye after 4 minutes looks like he's struggling to see as well.

I honestly think guys who use it to gauge distance and lead with their eyes should get a warning. As that can happen. Gane didn't purposely eyepoke. But that exact time he's trying to push off and Tom is moving in, two fingers go in. It's ****ed.

 

[Upgrayedd]

They said the same thing about Leon Edward’s v Belal.. & the rematch was a one sided beat down… the fight didn’t go long enough to determine who would have won… it was pretty 50-50 anyhow I thought.

Leon was also looking a lot better as well in that fight then Gane was against Tom.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Tom’s camp really ****ed up saying he might see out his 3 fights then go box, Dana hates that sort of thing.. Tom will cop the stray bullets

 

[Mr Meow]

Tom’s camp really ****ed up saying he might see out his 3 fights then go box, Dana hates that sort of thing.. Tom will cop the stray bullets

Stray bullets from Dana? The man Jones cuckolded the HW division over for years?