Uh Oh, the rumblings have begun

[bucksisbest]

Errrr, what about Sydneys cap......

Sydney are compensated for their higher cost of living.

 

[Total Package]

Sydney are compensated for their higher cost of living.

So are Melbourne clubs not compensated for a higher cost of living there than Adelaide and Perth?

 

[The Fireman]

So are Melbourne clubs not compensated for a higher cost of living there than Adelaide and Perth?

good point.

 

[Gunder]

Higher cost of living is the lamest excuse ever, almost as bad as everyone wanting to leave a tropical paradise to come back to Melbourne's winter.
I mean seriously, are we talking about players living on the poverty line here?
Does the higher cost of living force them into buying a Beamer instead of a Ferrari?
Mind numbingly pathetic excuses to beat rugby in those 2 states.
I would respect the AFL more if they just came out and admitted that, I might even support it

 

[bucksisbest]

So are Melbourne clubs not compensated for a higher cost of living there than Adelaide and Perth?

There's no doubting you've got a point there , but as I understand it the standard salary cap doesn't ensure the ability to be able to buy a house and car of the same standard that the Melbourne based players can afford(ofcourse you can now argue that Adelaide and Perth players can buy oneof an even higher standard).
I'm not completely comfortable with it , but it makes more sense than Brisbane's.

 

[Zombie]

LOL. Essendon lost 3 of its players in 2000 due to the cap. Caracella even went to Brissy, I guess they had more dough in the bag than us.

How is that Brisbane's fault? Essendon had salary cap problems because they had one good season and all of a sudden all of the players started to believe the smoke that the media were blowing up their arses. So all of these overrated average players started demanding more money and had to move elsewhere to fit their big heads in.

History tells us that the Essendon 2000 team weren't that great (not a dynasty type team) and these players who were so talented went on to do SFA or at best be the average players they always were at their new clubs.

The difference between Essendon and Brisbane is that Brisbane players put the team first, take away their $600k that no-one cared about until they started winning premierships, do you really think that would make any difference? Of course it wouldn't because the Lions are a champion team and their best players would just take a pay cut in order to keep their team together.

Don't give me this, "Essendon lost 3 players due to the cap" rubbish, they lost those players because they were greedy.

 

[Alpha Wolf]

How is that Brisbane's fault? Essendon had salary cap problems because they had one good season and all of a sudden all of the players started to believe the smoke that the media were blowing up their arses. So all of these overrated average players started demanding more money and had to move elsewhere to fit their big heads in.

History tells us that the Essendon 2000 team weren't that great (not a dynasty type team) and these players who were so talented went on to do SFA or at best be the average players they always were at their new clubs.

The difference between Essendon and Brisbane is that Brisbane players put the team first, take away their $600k that no-one cared about until they started winning premierships, do you really think that would make any difference? Of course it wouldn't because the Lions are a champion team and their best players would just take a pay cut in order to keep their team together.

Don't give me this, "Essendon lost 3 players due to the cap" rubbish, they lost those players because they were greedy.

Shhh, you're making sense and that's not allowed on this board.

Don't you love how poor old hard done by Essendon is always brought up as a rule in these discussions? I wonder why? Anyone care to bring up any other premiership team that has had trouble keeping the team intact? Isn't Essendon the exception, rather than the rule? Doesn't anyone think that maybe Essendon simply Fu(ked up?

It's hilarious how many of these threads pop up when the Lions are doing well. That there are so many floating around at the moment can only mean one thing: Another Lions premiership is imminent.

 

[theGimp]

Shhh, you're making sense and that's not allowed on this board.

Don't you love how poor old hard done by Essendon is always brought up as a rule in these discussions? I wonder why? Anyone care to bring up any other premiership team that has had trouble keeping the team intact? Isn't Essendon the exception, rather than the rule? Doesn't anyone think that maybe Essendon simply Fu(ked up?

It's hilarious how many of these threads pop up when the Lions are doing well. That there are so many floating around at the moment can only mean one thing: Another Lions premiership is imminent.

Can you smell what Sheedy is cooking for yaz boys ?

<insert disclaimer here>

 

[LoneStar]

How is that Brisbane's fault? Essendon had salary cap problems because they had one good season and all of a sudden all of the players started to believe the smoke that the media were blowing up their arses. So all of these overrated average players started demanding more money and had to move elsewhere to fit their big heads in.

History tells us that the Essendon 2000 team weren't that great (not a dynasty type team) and these players who were so talented went on to do SFA or at best be the average players they always were at their new clubs.

The difference between Essendon and Brisbane is that Brisbane players put the team first, take away their $600k that no-one cared about until they started winning premierships, do you really think that would make any difference? Of course it wouldn't because the Lions are a champion team and their best players would just take a pay cut in order to keep their team together.

Don't give me this, "Essendon lost 3 players due to the cap" rubbish, they lost those players because they were greedy.

I read somewhere that Essendon is paying two players - Mercuri and Hird - around 1.7 million $$$s. Ya'think maybe this has something to do with their salary cap problems??? Don't think Lions are paying any two of their players that much. So did Caracella go to Brisbane because Lions have more money to spend or because Essendon was stupid? This is why I get sick of Bomber fans bemoaning Lions having more money to spend!

 

[Ari]

I read somewhere that Essendon is paying two players - Mercuri and Hird - around 1.7 million $$$s.

You read wrong. Believing the media is a fools paradise, a naive trick at best.

Ya'think maybe this has something to do with their salary cap problems??? Don't think Lions are paying any two of their players that much.

above.

So did Caracella go to Brisbane because Lions have more money to spend or because Essendon was stupid?

I agree completely that Brisbanes players are taking about 90% of what they could receive elsewhere.... and this has an impact on their success. But that said, yes the extra 600k does make a difference. It's worth 3 A grade players. Now you cant have them all on the field at the same time, but it gives them 'depth'. All clubs will have, on average, 2 or 3 good players out at any time. You could say this of Brisbane, but they have something quality to stick in the gap. Yes, a lot of it does come down to their fantastic player management, so I wont knock them that.

This is why I get sick of Bomber fans bemoaning Lions having more money to spend!

.... umm, but they do. I tell you what, we could use an Extra 600 odd down at Bomberland! I dont wanna sound like a whinge though... so ill leave it there!

 

[hirdy_is_champ]

u can not say that if brissy didnt have all that money or wat eva that they would have 3 premierships and be able to keep all those quality players.

 

[moomba]

You seem to have missed the import of what I wrote. I'm notorious for assuming understanding.

In fact, what I was referring to was that this Brisbane Lions team plays better football TO WATCH, than any team I've ever seen. That is not to say that they have appeared on top of the H&A ladder for the past several years, more that they are the best providers of entertainment to which our competition has aspired.

What you are saying is that football as a theatre is more exciting even though football as a competition is not. Personally I'd rather watch a poor quality competitive match than a good quality walkover.

I like Brisbane, and hope they do get 4 in a row. I also think those clubs that need it should get some assistance to retain out of town players. However the ruling has to be fair, and across the board. Melbourne based clubs face similar (not as big) problems retaining out ot town players, and I don't feel that this is recognised by the current rules.

 

[Roylion]

However the ruling has to be fair, and across the board. Melbourne based clubs face similar (not as big) problems retaining out ot town players, and I don't feel that this is recognised by the current rules.

And will be by the start of 2006, when Brisbane's concession is reduced to 5% and will be lost completely if they achieve a local content of 40% or above.

All clubs also have access to the extra 5% if their local content falls below 40%.

 

[Total Package]

All clubs also have access to the extra 5% if their local content falls below 40%.

Yes how convenient of the AFL to make the figure 40%... knowing that it will more than likely only ever be relevant for Brisbane and Sydney.

 

[Ripper]

Yes how convenient of the AFL to make the figure 40%...

Port & the West Coast Victorians must be going close.

 

[Gunder]

It's premiership by default and compromises the competition, and worse.... it is just plain boring

 

[Gunder]

A grade players at a club, Pies: Bucks and Taz on average 500'000 next level B grade 300'000, C grade100'000. The brians cap enables then to carry no fewer than two more A grade players. If you study the lists this is about right. Example ESS: Hird, Lloyd. WC: Gardiner, Judd, Cousins. Port: Cornes, Tredrea,Wanganeen. STK: Gehrig, Reiwoldt, Harvey. Brians I think it's fair to say Voss, Black, Akermanis, Leppitsh, Brown, Lynch, Lappin, maybe Johnson. Put two of the above named players in any top eight side and see how the Brians go then. When are the media going to have the guts to state the facts.

 

[Jako]

You and all of you fellow-travellers have my utmost sympathy to be put-upon to watch the greatest team there's ever been.

What would you rather be doing?

Is there a team you'd rather be watching?

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Sydney

 

[Total Package]

Port & the West Coast Victorians must be going close.

Adkins, Braun, Butler, Chambers, Hansen, Humm, Johnson, Judd, McConnell, Morrison, Munro, Selwood, Staker, Waters, Wirrpunda, Wooden.

16 of 41 are from interstate... thats 39.02% of our list. Maybe we should delist a WA player and recruit another VIC and then get our slice of the Brisbane/Sydney corruption pie as well.

 

[Gunder]

Adkins, Braun, Butler, Chambers, Hansen, Humm, Johnson, Judd, McConnell, Morrison, Munro, Selwood, Staker, Waters, Wirrpunda, Wooden.

16 of 41 are from interstate... thats 39.02% of our list. Maybe we should delist a WA player and recruit another VIC and then get our slice of the Brisbane/Sydney corruption pie as well.

Exactly, you are just as disadvantaged in that respect, so are Victorian clubs with players from other states, so whats the difference.... we aren't competing with rugby.... would just like a modicum of honesty from the AFL.... and preferebly some from Brisbane supporters, instead of the excuses they come up with to explain sanctioned cheating.

 

[theferrett]

This greatest team ever crap is just typical journalistic fluff. Greatest Finals team? maybe... Greatest team... no.

Total Package, get your lonely head out of your lonely arse and get out and play a game, watch a game, listen to what the commentators are saying.

Brisbane, if they pull it of will the greatest, there will just be the odd tosser like yourself who will grandstand and probably have more admiration for your bitchy postings than the real thing.

 

[Minkus_Swan]

It's premiership by default and compromises the competition, and worse.... it is just plain boring

I bet you it wasn't boring last year. Funny enough I think the pies made the grand final. It's boring at the moment because you team isn't going to win the premiership.

I'm sure the saints, power, cats and possibly bomber fans believe that they have a chance to win the comp. On their day I believe, all the sides left can beat the Lions. So all this winning the premiership by default is crap. If your good enough you'll win it. With or without salary cap concessions.

 

[Total Package]

Total Package, get your lonely head out of your lonely arse and get out and play a game, watch a game, listen to what the commentators are saying.

Brisbane, if they pull it of will the greatest, there will just be the odd tosser like yourself who will grandstand and probably have more admiration for your bitchy postings than the real thing.

You'd know all about "pulling it off" you typical dockerland scum. Why don't you go back to the nazi board at dockerland and all beat off over eachother about how great a coach Connolly is and "McPharlap" (sic)

 

[Roylion]

Yes how convenient of the AFL to make the figure 40%... knowing that it will more than likely only ever be relevant for Brisbane and Sydney.

You've acknowledged therefore that Brisbane and Sydney have significantly lower local content than other clubs, which is the justification for a retention concession

The 40% figure also means that Brisbane and Sydney have a greater chance of achieving that figure in the short to medium term and the 5% concession being removed. At 50%, the concession woud likely remain in place for longer.

 

[hotpie]

Adkins, Braun, Butler, Chambers, Hansen, Humm, Johnson, Judd, McConnell, Morrison, Munro, Selwood, Staker, Waters, Wirrpunda, Wooden.

16 of 41 are from interstate... thats 39.02% of our list. Maybe we should delist a WA player and recruit another VIC and then get our slice of the Brisbane/Sydney corruption pie as well.

Not a bad idea.

Collingwood have Buckley, Burns, Clement, Cole, Davis, Didak, Hall, Holland, King, Kinnear, Lockyer, Lokan, Morrison, Shackelton, Wakelin, Walker, and Woewodin from interstate. That's 17. Plus Fraser Tarrant and McGough are from the country!!!