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The United States, flushed with military success in Afghanistan, is insisting that its war against terrorism is just beginning, with plans under way to destroy terrorist cells in the Asia-Pacific area and military strikes under consideration against countries such as Iraq.

Speaking before cheering soldiers in Kentucky, Mr Bush made clear that the so-called "Bush Doctrine" - to treat nations that harbor terrorists as America's enemies - would not end with the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

"Afghanistan is just the beginning on the war against terror. There are other terrorists who threaten America and our friends, and there are other nations willing to sponsor them."

Calling the United States "patient and determined and relentless", he said America would "not be secure as a nation until all these threats are defeated".

Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld told troops in North Carolina that they would carry the President's message to America's enemies, "sealed with the muscle and might of the greatest warrior force on Earth".

The next phase of America's war will be far more complicated than the seven-week campaign in Afghanistan, in which the Taliban have been internationally isolated.

While there is intense debate within the administration about toppling Saddam Hussein of Iraq, the focus now is to eliminate the alQaeda network, which the US blames for the September 11 terrorist strikes. The US says the group operates in about 60 countries.

Washington's focus is also strongly on Islamic extremists in Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim community. That is likely to mean closer ties to Indonesia's military, which would be controversial because of US laws banning military aid to Indonesia until soldiers responsible for atrocities in East Timor are properly dealt with.

Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is an advocate of quickly expanding the military campaign to oust Saddam Hussein, who remained in power after the US forced Iraqi troops from Kuwait in 1991. Iraq, with about 429,000 troops, would be a more formidable foe than the Taliban, and any attack would alienate Arab countries.

European nations and Canada have expressed reservations unless there are proven links between Iraq and the September 11 attacks.

Israeli intelligence said this week it had detected no link between Iraq and the terrorist assaults.

But Mr Wolfowitz argues there is no need for proof because President Saddam poses a threat because of his development of weapons of mass destruction.

USA Today reported this week that the Pentagon was building a case for a massive bombing attack on Iraq, despite Arab objections. The issue is unresolved within the administration, with some members believed to be arguing for increasing support for Iraqi opposition groups, rather than US military strikes.
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No way! So the US feels free to attack over 60 countries with 'suspected' links to terrorists?

I hope that Australia wouldn't support these actions, but I've got a sneaking suspicion they would.

"Saddam poses a threat because of his development of weapons of mass destruction." Well stone the crows, but I seem to recall that the US has a few weapons of mass destructions itself.

cheers
 
While I think such an attack would be justified, I also think that it would be strategically naive and diplomatically stupid.

Sometimes what's right isn't necessarily what's sensible.

The Saddam Hussein regime is vile and the level of oppression suffered by the people of Iraq unacceptable, but in the interests of maintaining positive relationships with "good" Arab nations like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and (potentially) Egypt, the USA must show restraint.

Ultimately, it is up to the Iraqi people to deal with the Saddam Hussein regime. In Iran, the country managed to evolve into a more tolerant nation - in Romania a revolution was required. The nature of such regimes is that eventually something has to give.

By all means arm opposition groups, but to attack a sovereign nation (the Taliban is NOT a sovereign nation) is a much messier proposition than what is happening in Afghanistan.

But in answer to your original question - if the September 11 attack can be directly linked to the Iraqi Government then an attack is justified. However, regardless of justification, it would be a very dangerous action and is not worth the risk.
 
If Australia gets involved in dumping on Indonesia, I'm moving.
 
Don't think America sees 'friends' and 'enemies' It sees 'foreign' nations, and divides them into those which do as they are told (like australia) and those that don't (like iraq or libya) but it can change. Remember the US were hostile to NZ at one time and they have been allied to iraq and afghanistan.

The media and all of us are 'desensitised' to bombing the crap out of nations and they might keep going on dodgier and dodgier reasons.

The Hypocrisy is easily shown in the fact that the US would NEVER take action against the IRA, which fits most peoples definition of terrorists.

The WTC atrocity was wrong but let's hope history does not show that the response was much worse
 

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Originally posted by Blues_Brat
I'm sure the civilians in the firing line of US bombs and missles are pretty terrified...

Of course the Afghani civilian population is so upset at what's happened to the Taliban that they are throwing flowers at Northern Alliance tanks in an attempt to knock them out.
 
So President Bush will be pulling out all stops to prevent the covert sponsorship of the IRA by prominent Catholic groups in the USA itself ?

Or hey, how about those Basque gangsters ETA ?

oh right, its 'terrorism with a global reach' - gee how convenient.:rolleyes

Oh and btw Tiget Tank - I agree with you whole heartedly but the fact remains American selective righteousness is grossly hypocritical and grossly offensive.

Stamping out the scoruge of terrorism is a noble fight, a good fight, the righteous fight.

But again, gross and gormless hyprocary on the part of the Americans is only muddying the waters and already hopelessly compromising what should be a cler-cut choice between good and evil.

cheers:
 
Originally posted by TigerTank


Of course the Afghani civilian population is so upset at what's happened to the Taliban that they are throwing flowers at Northern Alliance tanks in an attempt to knock them out.

Maybe they realize that this means they won't be bombed any more?
 
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
So President Bush will be pulling out all stops to prevent the covert sponsorship of the IRA by prominent Catholic groups in the USA itself ?


Umm, but then there'd be no Democratic Party?


Seriously though, there is some hypocrisy in America's "selectivity" of targets, but hopefully this is a start at least towards a more comprehensive campaign against ALL forms of terrorism.
 
Down with bigots!

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
So President Bush will be pulling out all stops to prevent the covert sponsorship of the IRA by prominent Catholic groups in the USA itself ?


But again, gross and gormless hyprocary on the part of the Americans is only muddying the waters and already hopelessly compromising what should be a cler-cut choice between good and evil.

cheers:

So you not only hate Americans..... you also hate Catholics?

Bigfooty's big bigot!:rolleyes:
 

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Let's just pray that they know what they're doing:( .

On the Afghanistan issue, it'll annoy me if the Yanks go ahead with what they plan to do. That is, (once they kill Bin Laden and his network, and destroy the Taliben), just get the hell out of the country. The least they could do is assist in rebuilding a better country.
 
No Libs Win - you have completely missed the point.

What I'm saying is that I agree wityh everything then USA is attemptoing to do.

I also believe Australia is doing the right thing by giving as much support to this effort as we are able to, as Tiger Tank points out, any alternative policy would be just plain stupid.

The point I'm raising is that once again what should be a simple clear cut fight of good against evil, of right agianst wrong, is being turned into yet another grubby game of 'real politik' where the issue is not "good vs evil" but rather "us vs them"

Because if you look at the "us" side what do you find ?

You find the major partner in the fight against terrorism is a major sponsor of terror itself (the IRA).

You find the person that we all want to get, Bin Laden' used to be a major client of the USA.

You find many of the so-called "allies" in this 'good fight' are just as horrible, just as tyrannical, just as medieveal in their treatment of women and just as unddemocratic as the people we are supposed to fighting.

Again, the Americans are selective - you can be just as bad as the bad guys, but as long as you are on our side then its ok - you can be as much of a bastard as you want.

Well I'm sorry LibsWin - I hate to sound like an absolutelist here but American calls for us to join in this so-called 'war on terrorism' would be so much more convincing if the Americans themsleves are prepared to stop using terrorism (or more accurately the sponsorship of terrorism) as a tool of foreign policy.

I'm all in favour of a 'war on terrorism' but it has to be all terrorism, not just those terrorists that happen to be on the 'wrong side' at this particular point in time.

cheers
 

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