Umpiring was bad Thursday night no question,
Our midfield got owned and we were undisciplined
However if we had our hands on the footy first the decisions that went against us would have been reversed.
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Umpiring was bad Thursday night no question,
Our midfield got owned and we were undisciplined
However if we had our hands on the footy first the decisions that went against us would have been reversed.
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thylacine60
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abb - you seem to be a realist with regard to umps but I think you're having a bit each way here.........
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There is no point going round and round.
I have never mentioned the Fitzroy/Adelaide game. I have also never mentioned the Umpires in regards to us losing the St. Kilda game, or any other games.
It is not "umpire bashing" to discuss their performance reasonably, and to have the opinion that, just like the other acts I mentioned (mark, smother, brilliant snap) their decisions late in games can be influential in determining the result. Particularly in a thread titled "Umpires".
Let's stay on the 2 points
1. Has there ever been a victory based on an umpire's error?
2. Are there countless other player acts that have greater impact on the game, compared to umpire errors?
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I reckon another poster called it pretty well previously. The rules and interpretation of the rules has changed so many times over the last 10 years.
Umpiring the game is bloody tough, and in most games there a plenty of questionable calls.
Usually the guy first to the footy gets the better of the call. However some of the HTB calls on Thursday were shizen.
So yea basically on the fence for now....good view from up here [emoji1]
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thylacine60
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agree - direct the rage at the afl for the constant rule changes - some of which I get - it's not dissimilar to what the state and federal governments are having to do with this c19 madness - constantly shifting ground - someone said it's like trying to steer a ship a month before the steering is going to come into effect..........I'm blathering now........
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Whose points? Yours?
I entered the discussion (with you) in regards to you saying " Should never get to the final act and you don't see that " in response to FdB.
We will have to agree to disagree on that.
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That umpire being a pissant.
I hate those decisions. Bloke goes for ball, very frequently the only one to do so. Bloke gets ball; another bloke jumps straight on his back. No free. First bloke tries to push himself up on his arms, lifting both his and bloke 2's body weight; bloke 3 grabs his arms, and forces him back down and the ball back in.
Umpire calls HTB.
Umpires get plenty of criticism that is unfounded, but this is one for the administrators who decide a) who becomes an AFL umpire (ie, people who have never been that bloke in and under a pack like that) and b) people who write rules blaming ball winners for the current state of play.
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excellent thread, btw......
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Your first question is imprecise.
Change it to:
1. Has there ever been a victory entirely based on an umpire's error? The answer there is unequivocally no, where in your former version, yes there is and have been games decided on umpire error.
AFL siren controversy - Wikipedia
And question 2 is leading, and overly simplistic; yes, there are countless other player acts that can have a greater impact on a game when compared to umpire errors, but that does not mean that the umpires errors have zero impact.
If I were an AFL coach, I too would be saying what you're saying. I would be coaching and arguing for the players to take it on themselves, to go out there and take personal responsibility for the team and for earning each possession. But we are not coaches or AFL players; we are fans, of Carlton first and of AFL second. We are here to follow our team and our sport; we are not required to motivate ourselves by taking personal responsibility for our team's failure. So, when we watch games of our sport and see umpiring done badly, we can comment on it and how it can be done better.
Always felt sorry for umps.
Still remember as a kid playing scrubbers somewhere (Maybe Leed St), and we got one of those old school umps.
Shorts ridiculously tucked in, pocket on the shirt, Brylcreme in the hair. So pre game, checks the boots, checks the fingernails, meets the captain, chooses the ball......big time stuff.
So out we march at 8.30am or whatever ungodly hour it is, line up for the first bounce and wait for the siren.
So the umpire looks left, looks right, nods, holds the ball up.....and then bang!!
He bounced the ball straight into his face and concussed himself.
Deadset had the ball chalk marked into his face and had to be carried off.
Subbed out and one of the parents had to umpire in civvies.
Umpires.
Still remember as a kid playing scrubbers somewhere (Maybe Leed St), and we got one of those old school umps.
Shorts ridiculously tucked in, pocket on the shirt, Brylcreme in the hair. So pre game, checks the boots, checks the fingernails, meets the captain, chooses the ball......big time stuff.
So out we march at 8.30am or whatever ungodly hour it is, line up for the first bounce and wait for the siren.
So the umpire looks left, looks right, nods, holds the ball up.....and then bang!!
He bounced the ball straight into his face and concussed himself.
Deadset had the ball chalk marked into his face and had to be carried off.
Subbed out and one of the parents had to umpire in civvies.
Umpires.
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thylacine60
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POTY - the end.
Funny how you only here about umpires after a loss. I heard SFA about umps after the Geel and Cheats games. Lets face it, we are the best at giving away stupid frees and 50s.
****ing stupid thread and it's all your fault....
thylacine60
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blaming shit umpiring on poor old thy now....
I blame you on the people whinging.
thylacine60
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harsh but I'll carry the burden...........more shoulder strapping than 3 votes, c. judd
Your first question is imprecise.
Change it to:
1. Has there ever been a victory entirely based on an umpire's error? The answer there is unequivocally no, where in your former version, yes there is and have been games decided on umpire error.
AFL siren controversy - Wikipedia
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And question 2 is leading, and overly simplistic; yes, there are countless other player acts that can have a greater impact on a game when compared to umpire errors, but that does not mean that the umpires errors have zero impact.
If I were an AFL coach, I too would be saying what you're saying. I would be coaching and arguing for the players to take it on themselves, to go out there and take personal responsibility for the team and for earning each possession. But we are not coaches or AFL players; we are fans, of Carlton first and of AFL second. We are here to follow our team and our sport; we are not required to motivate ourselves by taking personal responsibility for our team's failure. So, when we watch games of our sport and see umpiring done badly, we can comment on it and how it can be done better.
1. Not hearing a siren is a long bow in terms of an error, but as it was, Dockers didn't lose the game, when calmer heads prevailed. Anyone that has played the game has been in a similar situation, siren wise that is.
2. Don't ever think I just sit back and not blurt out multiple expletives when I see a suspect decision against us and I can still be critical in a neutral game.
When dawn breaks, reality kicks in and all of our wins and losses are controlled by the actions of our own players
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The problem with rigging a game is it would be near on impossible to keep it 'in house'. Who would need to be 'on the take'?
There are the umpires..
There are umpires support staff..
The AFL officials..
Club officials..
I would conservatively say about 15-20 people would need to be involved to rig a game.
How do you convince that many people to stay silent? What would it cost? How would you prevent it from comimg out after one of the conspirators gets a conscious?
Our umpires are part-time. Many are, or have been in positions of responsibility in their non AFL life (solicitors, real estate, accountants). Do you really believe that these professionaly employed people would put their AFL and non AFL careers in jeapordy to rig a game of footy?
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GRRRRRRRR umpires.
KohPhi
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They hate us..
AFL hate us..
Everyone hates us..
It's a giant conspiracy against the Navy Blues even though we've been shit for 20 years.
This is some of the funniest shit I've.read here in ages Veiny.. Nuffies.
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By this logic, no goal will ever win a game either, even if it is the last one kicked, as the other side has 120 minutes to counteract it before it happened so it didn't impact on the result.
Is it more likely that nothing that happens on the field influences the result of a game or is it more likely that anything that happens on the field has an influence, however minimal in the overall scheme of things?
Add all the minimal influences of a similar type together and they have an impact on the outcome of the game. That is why coaches, spectators and commentators all keep track of statistics like clearances, contested possessions and ultimately the scoreboard. Get enough of the right things in your favour and the cumulative effect can be reasonably argued as the reason you won a game.
Bad decisions or mistakes from participants similarly have an influence, the umpires are players in the game and their cumulative decisions can absolutely influence the outcome of a game. Some teams are so far ahead of others that any mistakes made by the umpire will only change the margin, not the outcome. It still impacts on the result.
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It’s tin foil hat stuff man. But I don’t listen to the outside noise, I’m a realist.
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You forgot aliens campaignery!