Analysis Umpires

[fnm_just a man]

There is no conspiracy against Carlton - that is ridiculous.

The reality, though, is that the umpiring is atrocious - probably at an all-time low. The question is, who is to blame and how do we solve or at least improve it? In my opinion, a good start would be for the AFL to openly acknowledge that there is an issue. Once it is acknowledged, the industry can work towards a solution. It would be a big step for the AFL, which as an organisation, is very controlling and prefers to sweep unfavourable issues under the carpet.

It's probably been mentioned in this thread before (this is literally the first time I've been in this thread) - a 2006 Harvard study strongly indicates home crowd/ground bias, with increasing levels of bias dependent on variables such as crowd size and density, among other things.

See the study here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02640410601038576

In the AFL, it likely includes (and goes beyond) crowd bias, which suggests other issues at play. Who knows what those issues are - need a roundtable or study to nut it out. In a completely non-scientific guess, I would raise: a bias to more successful teams (subconscious), over-complication of the rules or lack of clarity of the rules (from an umpiring perspective), player behaviour...

Whatever it is, for the good of the game, it needs to be acknowledged with steps taken to rectify it. At the moment, it's literally damaging the game. I know a lot of people who are watching far less footy at the moment because of it. I've walked away away from a few non-Carlton games myself. My concern is that if it is not acknowledged soon, the damage will be permanent.

 

[Cripptonite]

Today was either complete and utter incompetence or just plain cheating. Eddie McGuire himself would have given us a fairer run than those clowns in yellow.

The careers of players and administrators live and die by their performances. It seems like these umpires have no accountability at all, sack them all and replace them with anyone with half a brain. Should do the same with these AFL “executive” muppets who change rules and interpretations every 5 minutes to justify their salaries.

It’s days like today that make me wonder why I put so much passion, time and money into a sport that is so incompetent and corruptible. But like the silly die hard supporter I am I’ll be back next week to witness the same BS all over again.

 

[tarczonandjane]

The umpires were inconsistent, and we did cop the rough end of the pineapple.

but I don’t think they know whether they’re Arthur or Martha. Each week they’re told what to concentrate on, and how to interpret differently from the week before. They’re in hubs, their training is affected, and they’re on a hiding to nothing.

in this case, the fish rots from the head. The AFL should rip up the rule book and revert to the rules from about 1997. In particular, ball winners should be rewarded. The only modern change to remain should be to keep the head sacrosanct.

Once they’ve done this, they should leave the rules almost entirely unchanged. It’s what soccer has always done. The only changes I can think of in the past thirty years are re back passing to the goalkeeper, and the introduction of VAR (which has been a disaster). But back to AFL... if the rules and interpretations remain the same, we’ll all be better for it. Don’t try and evolve because a coaching philosophy takes ascendency which you don’t like. Wait for the next philosophy to replace it, because it will. Right now, the League is effectively burning umpires at the stake.

 

[Monkey King]

Fans blow up over ‘horrific’ holding the ball decision

The AFL have a holding the ball problem.

www.news.com.au

The biggest issue isn't this free, but the 3 in the Carlton 50 that weren't paid just minutes before it.

 

[Mentallo]

The biggest issue isn't this free, but the 3 in the Carlton 50 that weren't paid just minutes before it. The contrast is unacceptable.

And Nicnat spiking it in our goal square early in the 3rd while being tackled and Liam Ryan dropping it twice while being tackled in Weagles forward line ending in a goal moments later.

The SPS was an epic stinker though, I honestly thought something happened after the umpire called for a ball up that resulted in a free then Plow failed to give the ball back properly resulting in the 50.
Nearly died when the replay showed it was for HTB.

 

[Madison Twatter]

 

[Metalcrusher]

Fans blow up over ‘horrific’ holding the ball decision

The AFL have a holding the ball problem.

www.news.com.au

The biggest issue isn't this free, but the 3 in the Carlton 50 that weren't paid just minutes before it.

Run for Parliament.

Umpires are not full time employees .. deal with it.

 

[ajb72]

It is so ironic. You do realise if you make umpires full time or professional you are going to get more of these young umpires who don’t have a frigging clue?

All you are going to get is a bunch of out of touch morons who can rack up good time trial splits and never played a game in their lives.


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[FlowersByIrene]

gonna cop a lot of hate i think. but thot we got the better of the rub today.

still inconsistent af tho

Care to explain how? I didn't see any incorrect free kicks paid to us in our forward fifty gifting us a goal?

I also didn't see our Ruckman piledrive their star midfielder without the ball without a call... but hey I was there

 

[Arr0w]

From the time we were 19 points up, to falling 23 points down

Free kick count

WC 3
Blues 2

Clearly the umpires cost us the game

 

[Jabba73]

From the time we were 19 points up, to falling 23 points down

Free kick count

WC 3
Blues 2

Clearly the umpires cost us the game

Did you count the non-decisions that weren’t paid?

 

[SurreyBlue]

This guy played well today for the Weagles.
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Should never umpire a Carlton game ever again. He is a disgrace.

 

[Arr0w]

Did you count the non-decisions that weren’t paid?

For both sides? No

 

[SurreyBlue]

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[Jabba73]

For both sides? No

Fair enough. Will make a difference

 

[Arr0w]

Fair enough. Will make a difference

Really?

4 goals worth?

 

[Aphrodite]

This guy played well today for the Weagles.
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[Aphrodite]

West Coast huddle at 3qtr time.

 

[Monkey King]

Run for Parliament.

Umpires are not full time employees .. deal with it.

That's the thing, I don't have to deal with it. I'll just redirect my energy and my money elsewhere.

 

[Gethelred]

It is so ironic. You do realise if you make umpires full time or professional you are going to get more of these young umpires who don’t have a frigging clue?

All you are going to get is a bunch of out of touch morons who can rack up good time trial splits and never played a game in their lives.


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Initially. Over time, those professional umpires become better, just like the current set do; however, because umpiring is now more attractive due to having a decent wage tied to it, there are more of these young 'out of touch morons who can rack up good time trial splits and [have] never played a game in their lives' to choose from. By virtue simply of there being more of them, you have better ability to discriminate between umpiring skill levels.

 

[Stamos]

From the time we were 19 points up, to falling 23 points down

Free kick count

WC 3
Blues 2

Clearly the umpires cost us the game

Not pinging Ryan takes them from 13 down to 7 down. Then they ping Samo, 1 point down and all the momentum.
That's not including not pinging Nic Nat directly in front of our goal earlier in the quarter.

The umps made a huge difference to the goals scored in the 3rd quarter, and the momentum in the 7 goal swing.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

There is no conspiracy against Carlton - that is ridiculous.

The reality, though, is that the umpiring is atrocious - probably at an all-time low. The question is, who is to blame and how do we solve or at least improve it? In my opinion, a good start would be for the AFL to openly acknowledge that there is an issue. Once it is acknowledged, the industry can work towards a solution. It would be a big step for the AFL, which as an organisation, is very controlling and prefers to sweep unfavourable issues under the carpet.

It's probably been mentioned in this thread before (this is literally the first time I've been in this thread) - a 2006 Harvard study strongly indicates home crowd/ground bias, with increasing levels of bias dependent on variables such as crowd size and density, among other things.

See the study here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02640410601038576

In the AFL, it likely includes (and goes beyond) crowd bias, which suggests other issues at play. Who knows what those issues are - need a roundtable or study to nut it out. In a completely non-scientific guess, I would raise: a bias to more successful teams (subconscious), over-complication of the rules or lack of clarity of the rules (from an umpiring perspective), player behaviour...

Whatever it is, for the good of the game, it needs to be acknowledged with steps taken to rectify it. At the moment, it's literally damaging the game. I know a lot of people who are watching far less footy at the moment because of it. I've walked away away from a few non-Carlton games myself. My concern is that if it is not acknowledged soon, the damage will be permanent.

Awesome post...

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Fans blow up over ‘horrific’ holding the ball decision

The AFL have a holding the ball problem.

www.news.com.au

Loved this from Fev

“That’s a disgrace umpire 22 as always horrific!!! What’s the player supposed to do s*** it out,” Brendan Fevola tweeted.

Hope number 22 reads it, he’s a flipping disgrace


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[DangerousD]

No issue with the umps, big issue with the AFL. The AFL give the umps the directive on what to pay, what not to pay and when not to pay.

Its clear to me the umps have been told to look for and pay holding the ball frees against SPS and Yeo as both cause a stoppage and congestion, it’s also clear to me that the umps have been told to let go, the ones where Liam Ryan is running towards goal and is tackled and the ball spills, as the ball is moving and the game is flowing.

The AFL want the game moving.

Im really disappointed in how the holding the ball rule has been applied since Clarkson whinge, the flopping around on the floor like a fish out of water is something I thought I wouldn’t see a return to and is garbage.

Another tweak will come about soon, I don’t think the AFL will want this stuff happening come finals

 

[ajb72]

Initially. Over time, those professional umpires become better, just like the current set do; however, because umpiring is now more attractive due to having a decent wage tied to it, there are more of these young 'out of touch morons who can rack up good time trial splits and [have] never played a game in their lives' to choose from. By virtue simply of there being more of them, you have better ability to discriminate between umpiring skill levels.

Not sure how you propose there is going to be more of them.

Are you proposing the AFL is going to pay big bucks to umpires doing vfl, sanfl other leagues or for umpires to sit around umpire hq and not do games but be in a continual learning cycle?

There is a finite number of games to be umpired and subsequently a limited number of umpires required.

Unless you want to increase the numbers in field.


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