I would lvoe to see the uproar when 200 frees are paid in a game, and the media moans, cant they just let them game flow.
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It's interesting that umpires are allowed to bet on non-football sports with organisations that handle AFL betting. So too are AFL executives. Demetriou and McLachlan are well known and significant gamblers. It does make the sport ripe for corruption. There should be a complete ban on betting for anyone employed by the AFL. If you need to gamble so badly you can't handle that then maybe become CEO of a gambling organisation, like Tabcorp, for example.
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Need more money invested in grass root footy if want better quality umpires.
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It's pretty clear what needs to be done, just as it's equally clear that the AFL won't do it unless/until the media landscape around sport changes.
What needs to happen is that the umpires become professional. The job is paid at just AFL player minimum salary rates but well above rates to play in lesser or regional comps; if you're a young person who's on the cusp of an AFL list but just aren't gonna make it, become an umpire and live the same life with more job security. Next pay negotiation, inform the players that their side of the packet will be arguing in future for the umpires as well; turn the PA into the Players and Umpires Association. Tell the players to shelve all plans they had for a pay increase in the short term, in the interests of building an improved, professional cadre.
Take the media on when they directly challenge the new umps when they come through and start paying increased frees per match. Tell them that the average free kicks per game has plummeted throughout the years from when the game was considered to be at its most attractive, and this is about returning things to that point.
If a channel, journo or talking head tries to come for them, cut his/her/their accreditation.
But that's rather the thing, isn't it? It'd take a leader with a spine to do all of this. It'd be transformational leadership, when all we've really had since Demitriou is managers; managers, who've been absolutely content to let the boat idle while the cash came in.
And why would you want to rock the boat?
It's the simplest money in the world. They get to sit there in natural monopoly, while the government pays for infrastructure, the fans pay for maintenance, the clubs pay for themselves - mostly - and the media keeps people's heads a long way away from actually needing to do something.
And the best bit is, they don't even really need to pay for the media; they'll do the heavy lifting themselves.
In the end, this thread is from necessity about whining; it's all it can be about. Real, genuine change is next to impossible from our position (unless Laura's been reading Bigfooty, in which case, hi Laura!) as fans, debates about what should be done are pointless from a realist viewpoint as there's no way they'll be implemented. There's nothing said in here that can be done to change the situation.
And, in the end, this post is just as much of a whine as everything else.
Don't mind me too much. Just sometimes the pantomime nature of the whole beast that is the AFL gets to me. But when your options are to stop following the thing cold turkey whilst living in Melbourne or to look at the bottle one more time, you don't have all that much of a choice, do you?
What needs to happen is that the umpires become professional. The job is paid at just AFL player minimum salary rates but well above rates to play in lesser or regional comps; if you're a young person who's on the cusp of an AFL list but just aren't gonna make it, become an umpire and live the same life with more job security. Next pay negotiation, inform the players that their side of the packet will be arguing in future for the umpires as well; turn the PA into the Players and Umpires Association. Tell the players to shelve all plans they had for a pay increase in the short term, in the interests of building an improved, professional cadre.
Take the media on when they directly challenge the new umps when they come through and start paying increased frees per match. Tell them that the average free kicks per game has plummeted throughout the years from when the game was considered to be at its most attractive, and this is about returning things to that point.
If a channel, journo or talking head tries to come for them, cut his/her/their accreditation.
But that's rather the thing, isn't it? It'd take a leader with a spine to do all of this. It'd be transformational leadership, when all we've really had since Demitriou is managers; managers, who've been absolutely content to let the boat idle while the cash came in.
And why would you want to rock the boat?
It's the simplest money in the world. They get to sit there in natural monopoly, while the government pays for infrastructure, the fans pay for maintenance, the clubs pay for themselves - mostly - and the media keeps people's heads a long way away from actually needing to do something.
And the best bit is, they don't even really need to pay for the media; they'll do the heavy lifting themselves.
In the end, this thread is from necessity about whining; it's all it can be about. Real, genuine change is next to impossible from our position (unless Laura's been reading Bigfooty, in which case, hi Laura!) as fans, debates about what should be done are pointless from a realist viewpoint as there's no way they'll be implemented. There's nothing said in here that can be done to change the situation.
And, in the end, this post is just as much of a whine as everything else.
Don't mind me too much. Just sometimes the pantomime nature of the whole beast that is the AFL gets to me. But when your options are to stop following the thing cold turkey whilst living in Melbourne or to look at the bottle one more time, you don't have all that much of a choice, do you?
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If they just started with a dedicated space for the umpires to train and recover it would allow for consistency (because they would all receive the same info at the same time Plus they would interact with each other (conversations/discussions) about the interpretation of rules whilst training/recovering. That 'space' should be provided by the AFL itself.
I like the idea about the payment aspect. I would go a little further and have rates according to position on field (Field Ump, Boundry Ump & Goal Ump).
We could then have Coaches votes and Player votes for them to recognize their year. (maybe getting carried away here)
I like the idea about the payment aspect. I would go a little further and have rates according to position on field (Field Ump, Boundry Ump & Goal Ump).
We could then have Coaches votes and Player votes for them to recognize their year. (maybe getting carried away here)
I know not many on here watch the AFLW, but if you want to see the worst reaming a Carlton side has had all year, I suggest you watch a replay of last night’s game versus (free kick)Hawthorn.
It is absolutely criminal how our current administrators are destroying the game. Umpiring is only one aspect, but there is no accountability unless feelings that the AFL prefer certain results conjures some sort of accountability to our “overlords”.
It is absolutely criminal how our current administrators are destroying the game. Umpiring is only one aspect, but there is no accountability unless feelings that the AFL prefer certain results conjures some sort of accountability to our “overlords”.
'Way too hot': Hawks coach weighs in on umpiring change
Hawthorn coach Daniel Webster has taken aim at the new adjudication of the holding the ball rule following his side's eight-point win over Carlton
www.afl.com.au
So the implication of the article is that Hawthorn copped the raw deal. There were poor decisions both ways, but the last 5-10 minutes in particular had the two sides being adjudicated differently.'Way too hot': Hawks coach weighs in on umpiring change
Hawthorn coach Daniel Webster has taken aim at the new adjudication of the holding the ball rule following his side's eight-point win over Carlton
It is crazy that last year there were virtually no HTB decisions despite poor effort and intent to dispose of the ball, and now there are examples of no, or extremely limited “prior opportunity”.
The game becoming flavour of the month (week) for decisions is ridiculous.
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Can someone please explain the justification of the Mitch Lewis free kick 3:30 left in the second quarter of tonight's game?
Neutral minded on this game but don't understand the call at all.
Neutral minded on this game but don't understand the call at all.
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I think you just put this in the umpire got this wrong bucket.
If its for front on contact then:
(d) makes contact to an opposition Player from front-on and
whose sole objective is not to contest or spoil a Mark; or
Watching the video, to me his sole objective is to contest the ball, and it is a realistic attempt to do so, so the front on contact is fair and within the rules.
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There were some howlers paid to Hawthorn last night. Nothing new though, they seem to love their colours.
there is a plethora of potential umpires available to the AFL ... they should be targeting ex-players.It's pretty clear what needs to be done, just as it's equally clear that the AFL won't do it unless/until the media landscape around sport changes.
What needs to happen is that the umpires become professional. The job is paid at just AFL player minimum salary rates but well above rates to play in lesser or regional comps; if you're a young person who's on the cusp of an AFL list but just aren't gonna make it, become an umpire and live the same life with more job security. Next pay negotiation, inform the players that their side of the packet will be arguing in future for the umpires as well; turn the PA into the Players and Umpires Association. Tell the players to shelve all plans they had for a pay increase in the short term, in the interests of building an improved, professional cadre.
Take the media on when they directly challenge the new umps when they come through and start paying increased frees per match. Tell them that the average free kicks per game has plummeted throughout the years from when the game was considered to be at its most attractive, and this is about returning things to that point.
If a channel, journo or talking head tries to come for them, cut his/her/their accreditation.
But that's rather the thing, isn't it? It'd take a leader with a spine to do all of this. It'd be transformational leadership, when all we've really had since Demitriou is managers; managers, who've been absolutely content to let the boat idle while the cash came in.
And why would you want to rock the boat?
It's the simplest money in the world. They get to sit there in natural monopoly, while the government pays for infrastructure, the fans pay for maintenance, the clubs pay for themselves - mostly - and the media keeps people's heads a long way away from actually needing to do something.
And the best bit is, they don't even really need to pay for the media; they'll do the heavy lifting themselves.
In the end, this thread is from necessity about whining; it's all it can be about. Real, genuine change is next to impossible from our position (unless Laura's been reading Bigfooty, in which case, hi Laura!) as fans, debates about what should be done are pointless from a realist viewpoint as there's no way they'll be implemented. There's nothing said in here that can be done to change the situation.
And, in the end, this post is just as much of a whine as everything else.
Don't mind me too much. Just sometimes the pantomime nature of the whole beast that is the AFL gets to me. But when your options are to stop following the thing cold turkey whilst living in Melbourne or to look at the bottle one more time, you don't have all that much of a choice, do you?
Eyes were always on the ball going back with the flight, no high front on contact was made from Starcevich..
But Wilmont does seem to make some contact high across Lewis’s shoulder late from behind slightly after the actual contest, which would have been the only likely reason for a free, which i don’t believe warranted one..
Umpires actual decision against Starcevich was a mistake…
But Wilmont does seem to make some contact high across Lewis’s shoulder late from behind slightly after the actual contest, which would have been the only likely reason for a free, which i don’t believe warranted one..
Umpires actual decision against Starcevich was a mistake…
Last round before finals and we're served with some of the worst most blatantly corrupt umpiring calls for the year. All for equality in but for our game having the first 2 female boundary umpires who couldn't get the ball in deep enough or pitch it high enough at times wasn't ideal, even with them standing few metres behind the boundary line which is putting them potentially in the line of play when they shouldn't be.
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Unacceptable
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These umpires should be sacked on the spot
First one was diabolical, second one was just downright dumb from Guthrie. Ump will pay that everyday of the week right in front of him
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I would let both go especially in a final but the second doesn't happen if it wasn't for the horrendous first one
The umpire paid the first one and clearly thought he saw more than he did, in his own head he’s not thinking I fkd up the first one so I’ll let the second one go…he’s paying what he sees, just stupid dumb shit from Guthrie
They've destroyed a game in 5 mins with Free Kick Hawthorn