Roast Umpires

[Ben the Gooner]

He's not latching onto anything. It was a blatant high shepherd.

Lawyered.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Don't be silly. Melksham was given plenty of time to try to get rid of it.

No, he was not. That is the point. In addition, how do you demonstrate you are trying to get rid of the ball when your arms are pinned. Telepathy?

 

[Phone]

And that's why you're told to pin the arms.

And he did have time - I had time to yell at him to try to get rid of the ball three times.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

I am happy with the ruling if they pay it every time. Judd got caught with the ball heaps of times and was not once pinged. Agree that pinning the arms makes a good tackle, but the free should be payed every time, not sporadically.

 

[Phone]

And of the times Judd got caught how many times did he not try to get rid of it? Judd's a smart guy. Even if he has no intention to get rid of it he'll do what he has to to avoid giving away the free. Our younger players haven't learnt that yet. We raised this with Myers before, sometimes they just submit as soon as they get tackled. Over time they'll learn how to do it.

With all due to respect, I'm better qualified to talk about this - I was watching on a TV with close up camera angles and not being blocked by anything. You were at the ground (?), far away at times and being blocked by things. Judd gets an easy deal with the umps at times but it was fine yesterday. When it comes to playing holding the ball for not trying to get rid of the ball they don't play favourites. It's like they get a commision for each one they pay. So as long as they get a clear view of the player and the ball - which doesn't always happen of course - they'll pay it if there's a chance to. Simple as.

Now Ben raising Duigan is a good point. Not so much because he didn't deserve the free-kick - it was there - but because about 15 seconds there were two free-kicks among the same lines not paid iirc.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Yeah, I was at the game. Disagree about Judd. I have never complained about him and the umps before, but he was given a free ride yesterday. Not only holding the ball, but mounting Hocking at numerous contests when the ball was on the ground. The umps are not consistent in paying the holding the ball rule or incorrect disposal. They see it, but don't pay it for fear of slowing the game down.

 

[Phone]

And you're better qualified to talk about holding at stoppages because the cams don't focus on it. I didn't see anything out of the usual but then the cams focus on the ball.

Of course they're not consistent with the holding the ball - or indeed anything to do with ball-up's around the ground. It's a rule where the positioning of the ump is paramount in paying it. Very often the ump can only see the backs of the players fighting for the ball. They miss many holding the balls because they can't see it. That's no fault of their own. But when they do get a clear sight on the ball and players they pay it. And I totally disagree with putting it down to speed. I mean playing a free is gonna speed up the game, instead of a lot of ball-up's.

Now Ben raising Duigan is a good point. Not so much because he didn't deserve the free-kick - it was there - but because about 15 seconds there were two free-kicks among the same lines not paid iirc.

I was wrong here btw. Lovett-Murray gave away a silly free for a high.

 

[reincarnated]

You are surely taking the piss?

I threw my remote in disgust. That Melksham was not holding the ball. We got molested by that umpire. Only few seconds later Yarran was caught when he tried to make contact with three of our players' knees with his head to draw a free kick. That was holding the ball if I ever seen one. It wasn't paid. It was in our goal square.

Speaking of Judd, funny he climped on Hocking's back and slammed in to his back. It was play on.

Hurley tripped and fell, the player behind him fell on his back. Accident or not, it was in the back. It was 20 out dead in front.

There was a tackle in the first quarter by Ryder in our forward line, when Carlton bloke was running away with the ball. Ryder tackled and the bloke dropped the ball cold. It was play on again.

We got molested all afternoon. I might be a passionate supporter, but I look with my two eyes with proper priscription glass. (Not the rose coloured one). Nobody can tell me what I saw didn't happen. Because I believe what I see with my eyes.

 

[Phone]

Yarran managed to get the ball out. Perhaps because he was trying to dive into our knee's and we couldn't get on top of him, in any case Yarran sliped it out to the side and then everyone was fighting over it. No holding the ball, although tere may have been incorrect disposal but it's hard to tell given the numbers around the ball.

Hurley - yep. I mentioned it during the game. Free there. The Ryder one could have been paid but you tend to see them called on. Generally the umps want the tackle to stick for a tad longer particularly when the player comes from side-on. I'm fine with it being called-on.

 

[Smooth_Swizzy87]

Lawyered.

robbed right in front of me

 

[Tailypo]

Haven't read the thread but has the goal umpire been mentioned? I think it was Laidler's goal, clearly touched. We could actually hear the arm/ball contact from M35.

 

[Dave]

Having just finished watching the replay, IMO it's a non issue. The shepherd was 50/50, whilst the "touched" goal was unclear on tv - the goal ump was in best position to judge. A few others went their way, some went ours.

/rant mode on/

What shits me about threads like this is that people only look at the decisions that go against their side, never at the ones that went the other way.

Case in point, the free to Carrazzo in the last. Had the tables been turned and one of our players been pinged for htb in that situation people would be filthy.

All threads like this do when we don't win is make us look like sore losers. If we'd been good enough we'd have won.

/rant mode off/

 

[ant555]

Stuff the umpiring decisions, Monfries not being able to score even a point from 35 out hurt more

 

[astrowizzle]

Have U got 1/2 second before, when Carazzo's arm is under Jetta's armpit. This photo is taken after Jetta begins his dive. At no stage does Carazzo touch anywhere above his chest line, yet he flings his head back? Can't believe this is even being discussed.

Mate regardless of high contact or not. What part of "you cannot shepard/block a player who is more than 5 metres from the ball" do you not understand????

 

[lamaros]

I didn't think so much at the time, but on watching the replay again we were clearly ****ed over with the free kicks in the last quarter. Lots of really obvious stuff that wasn't given our way more than wrong decisions.

Really really disappointing, especially when they turned around seconds later and paid them to Carlton.

Case in point, the free kick against Ryder for a hold off the ball on Russell. Not paid all quarter, especially in the far far far more obvious hold on Stanton earlier, yet they give that. Same with the in the back against Jetta. Says everything that half the free kicks Carlton received in that quarter were OPPOSITE to what the commentators calling the game originally thought they were for. Disgracefully inconsistent umpiring, and almost whole in Carlton's favour.

Anyway, got to move on...

The biggest problem was our dysfunctional forward line though. If we got that right we'd have won.

 

[Slattery_20]

Weren't that bad. Only one BS free to Judd.
Couple that could've gone either way, but (by and large) they were paying it consistently all day so no complaints.

Least I've seen McBurney & Nicholls shaft us in a long while.

 

[Blueboys11]

Mate regardless of high contact or not. What part of "you cannot shepard/block a player who is more than 5 metres from the ball" do you not understand????

The shepherd started about 5 meters off the ball... Obviously with Simpson running at full tilt, and Jetta being stopped in his tracks by the shepherd, Simpson was more than 5 meters away when Jetta started grabbing onto Carazzo and falling to the ground.

If we want o carry on the theme of decisions, how about the marking interference on Simpson in the back pocket just before the levelling point. Bomber player wasnt even looking at the ball. Strangely quiet about that one in this thread??

As i said, its swings and roundabouts and all evens out in the end somewhat.

 

[Pweter]

The shepherd started about 5 meters off the ball... Obviously with Simpson running at full tilt, and Jetta being stopped in his tracks by the shepherd, Simpson was more than 5 meters away when Jetta started grabbing onto Carazzo and falling to the ground.

If we want o carry on the theme of decisions, how about the marking interference on Simpson in the back pocket just before the levelling point. Bomber player wasnt even looking at the ball. Strangely quiet about that one in this thread??

As i said, its swings and roundabouts and all evens out in the end somewhat.

I'll pay this.

Like it or not, we are generally biased towards our own team. You have to be a neutral watching a game to get a real feel for whether a side is being shafted or not. At the end of the day, even if we think we are being unbiased, we will still look at a game with red and black glasses. We will not consider the 50/50 frees paid to the opposition where their own supporters probably think they could be shafted or not.

Monfries not scoring from 35m out on a 45 degree angle, Prismall squibbing 2 marking contests resulting in Carlton 1 goal and another F50 entry... these are my lasting memories of the 4th quarter which cost us the game.

I agree with roasting the umps, but it is more of lack of consistency across games towards all sides and lack of consistency from week to week. That and modern day interpretations of the rules allowing for too much grey area, they should be black and white.

 

[Bell Ringer]

I'll pay this.

Like it or not, we are generally biased towards our own team. You have to be a neutral watching a game to get a real feel for whether a side is being shafted or not. At the end of the day, even if we think we are being unbiased, we will still look at a game with red and black glasses. We will not consider the 50/50 frees paid to the opposition where their own supporters probably think they could be shafted or not.

Monfries not scoring from 35m out on a 45 degree angle, Prismall squibbing 2 marking contests resulting in Carlton 1 goal and another F50 entry... these are my lasting memories of the 4th quarter which cost us the game.

I agree with roasting the umps, but it is more of lack of consistency across games towards all sides and lack of consistency from week to week. That and modern day interpretations of the rules allowing for too much grey area, they should be black and white.

Top post.

We love to get stuck into the umps, because it's easier than getting stuck into our own players. But in reality our own players make a shitload more mistakes than the umps over the course of the game that have a much bigger influence over the result.

Also, do any of you know why Monfries (I think) got a down-field free in the 2nd quarter? (I think he kicked the goal from the set-shot). Couldn't tell from the game or the replay yesterday. Carlton players didn't remonstrate, but I can't remember an EFC player getting held or bumped after the kick, so I'm unsure what it was for??

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Top post.

We love to get stuck into the umps, because it's easier than getting stuck into our own players. But in reality our own players make a shitload more mistakes than the umps over the course of the game that have a much bigger influence over the result.

Also, do any of you know why Monfries (I think) got a down-field free in the 2nd quarter? (I think he kicked the goal from the set-shot). Couldn't tell from the game or the replay yesterday. Carlton players didn't remonstrate, but I can't remember an EFC player getting held or bumped after the kick, so I'm unsure what it was for??

Remember the incident, but not the details. It was for a late bump off the ball.

Funnily enough, Monfries was running in on goal, and got brought back, and missed the set shot. McBurney's desperation to pay everything humanly possible actually cost us there.

 

[Bell Ringer]

Remember the incident, but not the details. It was for a late bump off the ball.

Funnily enough, Monfries was running in on goal, and got brought back, and missed the set shot. McBurney's desperation to pay everything humanly possible actually cost us there.

Cheers.

McBurney is up there with Matthew Newton as far as w***ers go.

At least Newton has a supposed mental illness to somewhat excuse his behaviour.

What the **** is McBurney's excuse?

 

[Summer Nights]

The shepherd started about 5 meters off the ball... Obviously with Simpson running at full tilt, and Jetta being stopped in his tracks by the shepherd, Simpson was more than 5 meters away when Jetta started grabbing onto Carazzo and falling to the ground.

If we want o carry on the theme of decisions, how about the marking interference on Simpson in the back pocket just before the levelling point. Bomber player wasnt even looking at the ball. Strangely quiet about that one in this thread??

As i said, its swings and roundabouts and all evens out in the end somewhat.

It's proven Jetta didn't latch onto him. And you've admitted it was more than 5 meters here. So you agree. Good

 

[Atavistic]

What shits me about threads like this is that people only look at the decisions that go against their side, never at the ones that went the other way.

Here's one that went our way... Monfries throwing it to Zaharakis for the final point.

 

[raskolnikov]

I was sitting in the AFL members stand, on our forward pocket in the last quarter. In the last minute or so of play the ball had been kicked towards the forward pocket where Paddy Ryder was standing. Before he could go for the mark some Carlton had both his hands wrapped around Ryder's arm.

Overall I wasn't too upset with the umpiring. We definitely got a worse deal against the Swans than on Saturday.

 

[Grey Smith Bar]

If you're up by 10 goals, you can cop a poor decision as they happen every day, umpires are only human.

Insead of focusing on the umpires, we should be focusing on being up by 10 goals.