Umpires

[saintsrfreak]

And if we had kicked straight you wouldn't have got close.

What difference does that make? Your behinds were your own fault, the umpiring was out of our control

 

[Plugger35]

I actually haven't whinged that much about umpiring until this year, we have been shafted in more games this year than the past few years put together.

I know other teams have been shafted by the umpires at times this year too but I can't think of any other team that has copped terrible umpiring as much as St Kilda has.

Also the free kick stats don't tell the whole story either, they don't show free kicks missed or free kicks to the opposition that were wrong.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Only one thing to say.

Why are the Umpires not full time professionals? It seems like the most backward thing possible. What other professional sport has Semi-Pro Officials. Can anyone think of one?

Bullshit. I am a professional and the umpires get paid more for umpiring than my Salary.

What I want to know is WHY HAVE STKILDA BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY VICTIMISED BY THE UMPIRES IN 2012.
Someone who is better at youtube than me can probably put together a pretty good montage.

 

[Confuscius]

Difference is, we get up and keep playing and keep winning. We don't whinge non stop year after year.

Well, neither does St Kilda. The media has called it a bad call and asked Watters' about it and he spoke instead about skill errors. As all teams do (usually). Plugger and co's whining here has no effect on the club, so that's a very stupid argument.

 

[LadyPants]

Luke Farmer (umpire #4 who was on last night) is a teacher at my school, I might just have a quiet word to him tomorrow about what the **** happened.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Luke Farmer (umpire #4 who was on last night) is a teacher at my school, I might just have a quiet word to him tomorrow about what the **** happened.

Its a terrible thing that young minds are allowed to be influenced by such people.

Frees for this season

St Kilda +11
Collingwood -7

+11. -7. I guess that explains why it was the StKilda players who were bleeding everywhere.

 

[stkildathunda]

And if we had kicked straight you wouldn't have got close.

and if we kicked more goals you wouldnt have got close to us.

 

[Squizz]

Luke Farmer (umpire #4 who was on last night) is a teacher at my school, I might just have a quiet word to him tomorrow about what the **** happened.

Funny - I didn't even notice #4, so he must have just done his job. He'll need a good talking to by the Giesch. Needs to lift his profile by showing he's not scared to pay a free at a critical stage of the game (and if he can't find one, just pretend that you saw something that wasn't there - particularly against a player who isn't well liked).

No question this impacts us. Kosi looks clumsy, so that guy's fist in his head was Kosi's fault. Ooohh ... I don't like that Milne - he's not getting any. Goddard says nasty things ... that's a free against you Brendon. Schneider - he clapped one of our boys didn't he?

If you look at Kosi just before he bumped Reid, what was happening? He was being held far more than Dawes, who received a free at the other end against Gwilt - and certainly more than that joke of a decision at the end. If fact, this would probably be the defence (he was being held and pushed towards Reid).

First free of the second quarter:
http://www.smartreplay.afl.com.au/?round=1103&match=10341905&videoQuality=high

 

[Persevering Saint]

He's the video for reference, clearly the Collingwood supporters saying it was a free kick are biased flogs

Noticed the end of the link for this youtube is "D0dghY".

Even youtube agrees.

 

[stkildathunda]

Noticed the end of the link for this youtube is "D0dghY".

Even youtube agrees.

haha nice pickup!!

 

[stkildathunda]

AFL Umpiring Department admits that they got the Harry O decision wrong.

 

[Plugger35]

AFL Umpiring Department admits that they got the Harry O decision wrong.

Maybe you should go and tell that to all the Collingwood nuffies that are still arguing that it was a free kick and a correct decision.

Anyway nice of the umpiring department to admit they got the decision wrong, just a pity it doesn't give us the 2 points for the draw or the 4 points for the win which we probably would have got if there weren't other bad decisions or non-decisions against us.

 

[ksardog]

armitage fumbled the ball anyway when the ball spilled from obrien, whos to say he would of got the EQUALLING GOAL?

 

[Plugger35]

Whose to say he wouldn't? Armitage probably fumbled the ball due to the whistle being blown and there were a couple of other St kilda players there compared to one Collingwood player so there is a high likelihood that a goal would have been kicked.

 

[StFly]

armitage fumbled the ball anyway when the ball spilled from obrien, whos to say he would of got the EQUALLING GOAL?

1) Whistle had already gone.
2) What this means is said players tend to lose focus as a free kick has been paid, hence the fumble.
3) We had a player inside the goal square and 5v2 numbers advantage within 25m with Daisy as the only forward player of Armo between he and the free player in the square 2m out.

So if Armitage had not of kicked it, said player would have as Daisy would have had to either come at Armo or cover the player in the square and was stuck in no mans land as he was going towards the contest at the side of the contest away from Armo instead of towards the contest from Armos side. Hence why Goddard handballed away from the corridor to Armo, as Daisy was in the corridor.

But we'll never know because you got an incorrect free that affected the result of the match.

 

[Kildonan]

St Kilda had a large number of free kicks that were not paid. Collingwood had a large number of free kicks that were paid.
The difference was the crowd. In a tense situation the crowd's voice is raised and the excitement is palpable. The umpires are not immune to the influence of the crowd - especially the lesser experienced ones. The 9 - 2 free kick count in the last quarter reflects the effect of the crowd more than the actual infringement of the rules. There were a few free kicks missed for Collingwood in that frenetic last quarter, but there were many more free kicks missed for the Saints. The crowd influenced the result of the match. I suppose the Collingwood supporters can be proud of themselves for that. In Adelaide they call this influence the nineteenth man and they are unrepentent in accepting the benefit of this influence.

The problem is that the popular clubs benefit at the expense of those clubs without the same supporter base. In a close match the club that wins doesn't have the better team, it has the louder crowd. The popular clubs already have so much financial advantage over the lesser popular clubs that the level playing ground myth is just that - a myth.

The AFL should review the decisions made in the St Kilda - Collingwood match with the sound turned off and assess where free kicks should have been paid. Then sit the umpires down with the sound at epic volumes and tell them to reassess each decision given the live game like conditions. Teach them to mentally take the crowd out of the equation.

The majority of supporters of AFL clubs do not support the four big clubs. The majority of AFL supporters see a need to change the system to a fair one. Collingwood, Adelaide, West Coast and maybe Essendon are beneficiaries of an unfair system. Let's make it better.

 

[ksardog]

1) Whistle had already gone.
2) What this means is said players tend to lose focus as a free kick has been paid, hence the fumble.
3) We had a player inside the goal square and 5v2 numbers advantage within 25m with Daisy as the only forward player of Armo between he and the free player in the square 2m out.

So if Armitage had not of kicked it, said player would have as Daisy would have had to either come at Armo or cover the player in the square and was stuck in no mans land as he was going towards the contest at the side of the contest away from Armo instead of towards the contest from Armos side. Hence why Goddard handballed away from the corridor to Armo, as Daisy was in the corridor.

But we'll never know because you got an incorrect free that affected the result of the match.

yeh, and what if [said player] had of missed. fact is there were plenty of frees missed [kosi hit to the head of wellingham was a clear example of that], the first goal you got for a deliberate out of bounds when shaw was contacted as he kicked the ball.
but focus on the last contest if that makes u feel better.

 

[ksardog]

St Kilda had a large number of free kicks that were not paid. Collingwood had a large number of free kicks that were paid.
The difference was the crowd. In a tense situation the crowd's voice is raised and the excitement is palpable. The umpires are not immune to the influence of the crowd - especially the lesser experienced ones. The 9 - 2 free kick count in the last quarter reflects the effect of the crowd more than the actual infringement of the rules. There were a few free kicks missed for Collingwood in that frenetic last quarter, but there were many more free kicks missed for the Saints. The crowd influenced the result of the match. I suppose the Collingwood supporters can be proud of themselves for that. In Adelaide they call this influence the nineteenth man and they are unrepentent in accepting the benefit of this influence.

The problem is that the popular clubs benefit at the expense of those clubs without the same supporter base. In a close match the club that wins doesn't have the better team, it has the louder crowd. The popular clubs already have so much financial advantage over the lesser popular clubs that the level playing ground myth is just that - a myth.

The AFL should review the decisions made in the St Kilda - Collingwood match with the sound turned off and assess where free kicks should have been paid. Then sit the umpires down with the sound at epic volumes and tell them to reassess each decision given the live game like conditions. Teach them to mentally take the crowd out of the equation.

The majority of supporters of AFL clubs do not support the four big clubs. The majority of AFL supporters see a need to change the system to a fair one. Collingwood, Adelaide, West Coast and maybe Essendon are beneficiaries of an unfair system. Let's make it better.

i agree , umps should wear ear muffs during the game.
fact is collingwood are down on frees for the year so theres your theory of crowd influence gone.

 

[Kildonan]

Not all matches are played at the intensity of that final quarter. The influence isn't there if the crowd aren't screaming for free kicks. So for the rest of the time Collingwood are treated fairly and receive approximately the number of frees that they deserve.

When the intensity is up, say in a close finish, Collingwood supporters drown out opponents' cry for frees but are heard loudly for their own appeals.

The crowd noise has a definite influence but it is not a direct mathematical corelation because the experience of the umpire and their individual likes or dislikes of certain players also enters into the calculations and often these situations are seen at the end of a hectic match. They are physically exhausted and feel the pressure every bit as much as the players. They want to make the right decisions but they are only human and they will sometimes go with their gut rather than ensuring the right decision is made. The crowd noise influences our intuitive "gut" reactions.

 

[The Finger]

yeh, and what if [said player] had of missed. fact is there were plenty of frees missed [kosi hit to the head of wellingham was a clear example of that], the first goal you got for a deliberate out of bounds when shaw was contacted as he kicked the ball.
but focus on the last contest if that makes u feel better.

Are you talking about when Shaw delibratley turned the ball across his body to kick it out of bounds delibratley? Did you see Goddard get taken high 15 out directly in front no free? How about Brown diving on it and dragging it in no free only minutes before a Saints player was pinned for less. How about the infringements on Kosi that went unpenalised while Dawes got two free shots on goal for less. How about the two shots at goal taken off StKilda due to over officiating on Milne when he wasnt the aggresser?

 

[StFly]

yeh, and what if [said player] had of missed. fact is there were plenty of frees missed [kosi hit to the head of wellingham was a clear example of that], the first goal you got for a deliberate out of bounds when shaw was contacted as he kicked the ball.
but focus on the last contest if that makes u feel better.

You'll notice I responded to your post, thus the focus on the last contest had already been established by others which included yourself and not myself. But do not let facts ruin your dire stupidity nor need to be right in everything you do or say and instead use it as an impetus to provide better argumentative stances in the future when you visit our board.

 

[Strahany]

You'll notice I responded to your post, thus the focus on the last contest had already been established by others which included yourself and not myself. But do not let facts ruin your dire stupidity nor need to be right in everything you do or say and instead use it as an impetus to provide better argumentative stances in the future when you visit our board.

You do realise that there's absolutely no chance of that poster understanding any more than around 10% of your post, right? A rather appropriately verbose response to your typical Collingwood supporter.

 

[Squizz]

I can't work out whether I feel sad that these stupid filth supporters are included in the human race, or accepting of the fact that the world needs bottom-feeders.

 

[StFly]

Contact between St Kilda's Justin Koschitzke and Collingwood's Ben Reid from the second quarter of Saturday's match was assessed. The ball is kicked into the St Kilda forward line. Reid is coming back with the flight in an attempt to mark while Koschitzke is leading forward to the ball, ahead of his opponent Nathan Brown. The panel said that Koschitzke had his arm held by opponent and braces for inevitable contact, as he was unable to contest the mark. It was the view of the panel the high contact was caused by circumstances outside the control of player Koschitzke. No further action was taken.

Yup. What'd we score from that free?

 

[saintsrfreak]

lol at Feralwood supporters still saying Milne kicked Jolly in the head