Umpiring

[Groupie_]

As long as it's non alcoholic.

 

[smasha]

Scats fans complained.

So it was a boy's club decision?

It was nice and cosy in that area with three bays of Tigers.
Now feels like a fridge.

Everything is about trying to rip the soul out.

 

[Groupie_]

I remember them lol.
#WeAreEssendon lmao.

We replied with #wearesen.

they wanted to take the spot every rich/ess game

 

[smasha]

they wanted to take the spot every rich/ess game

Stand in Line copycats.

 

[Do the Dew]

I give it $1.15 odds that the new HTB "fixes" actually make the game worse

That's generous. $1.01 sounds about right.

 

[DickieKnee]

As long as it's non alcoholic.

Geelong Fanta squad.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

The two bays to the left are dry areas now which has really diminished the atmosphere at the G.
It was so loud in there in the past with three packed bays full of one eyed Tiger heads.
The two bays are empty now.

Another rule change,off field this time.

Don't get me started Smash, you know my feelings on this.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

I like the new rule and they should have got rid of the stand rule on a mark at the same time, plus last team to touch the ball when it goes out gives away a free kick back in and a few other things like get rid of the umpire reviews and for umpires to be proficient in common sense. Apart from that it's a good game to watch.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

I like the new rule and they should have got rid of the stand rule on a mark at the same time, plus last team to touch the ball when it goes out gives away a free kick back in and a few other things like get rid of the umpire reviews and for umpires to be proficient in common sense. Apart from that it's a good game to watch.

No its not, it's a horrible spectacle to watch. Kick in rule should be brought back, all teams do now is set up on the wing which makes it harder to get out the back. FAIL.

6-6-6 has achieved nothing, go back to setting up in whatever formation you want, the commentators crapping on that 6-6-6 allows for a quick goal in a close game is nonsense, it's 6 on 6 in a crowded forward line as all 12 players need to be inside the 50m arc. Dusty one out in the 2017 GF 2nd qtr will very rarely happen again under 6-6-6, FAIL.

Umpires waiting an age for two ruckman to get to the ball up or throw in creates congestion, just throw it up or in and get the game moving, FAIL.

As for staaaaand, enough said. MASSIVE FAIL.

Free kicks awarded depending on what team and what umpire is nothing short of horrific, when umpires go into games concentrating on one of the sides committing indiscretions and not the other is biased umpiring.


The game was perfectly fine before the scats got their noses out of joint.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

No its not, it's a horrible spectacle to watch. Kick in rule should be brought back, all teams do now is set up on the wing which makes it harder to get out the back. FAIL.

6-6-6 has achieved nothing, go back to setting up in whatever formation you want, the commentators crapping on that 6-6-6 allows for a quick goal in a close game is nonsense, it's 6 on 6 in a crowded forward line as all 12 players need to be inside the 50m arc. Dusty one out in the 2017 GF 2nd qtr will very rarely happen again under 6-6-6, FAIL.

Umpires waiting an age for two ruckman to get to the ball up or throw in creates congestion, just throw it up or in and get the game moving, FAIL.

As for staaaaand, enough said. MASSIVE FAIL.

Free kicks awarded depending on what team and what umpire is nothing short of horrific, when umpires go into games concentrating on one of the sides committing indiscretions and not the other is biased umpiring.


The game was perfectly fine before the scats got their noses out of joint.

I don't understand why the rules are in place in AFl and in the NFL I don't understand the rules but I'd rather watch 100 minutes of action than pass, throw, stop for 2 minutes in a whole game.
Does the AFL even take any notice that the fans think the game has gone backwards.
The only thing about biased umpires, it would be hard to get the 10 umpires all biased towards the same club in a game of footy.
Staaaand is enough for me to turn the volume off and hear it twice and I want to throw a brick at the TV...lucky I'm not at the footy when I hear it!

 

[Neen]

I don't mind the Voss / Dimma comments and even the Scott brothers chiming in. The game in the last 4-5 years has steadily become unwatchable compared to the early 2000's. Too many rules and the rules brought in were predominantly created around the RFC gameplan. I know I was VERY vocal early on and would argue with anyone who claimed it was the way we played the game. Horsecrap. It feels GREAT knowing that is debunked.

So these media types might want to start some "investigative journalism". We have all the facts of the RFC bias via statistics. Now connect the rules and interpretations with the bias umpiring and the root cause will be found. Those that think other the RFC has not been targeted will find the truth.

Maybe that's a reason we are sitting on our hands by not complaining? It is in plain sight.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

I don't understand why the rules are in place in AFl and in the NFL I don't understand the rules but I'd rather watch 100 minutes of action than pass, throw, stop for 2 minutes in a whole game.
Does the AFL even take any notice that the fans think the game has gone backwards.
The only thing about biased umpires, it would be hard to get the 10 umpires all biased towards the same club in a game of footy.
Staaaand is enough for me to turn the volume off and hear it twice and I want to throw a brick at the TV...lucky I'm not at the footy when I hear it!

The umpires actually discuss before a game and at the breaks what is going on so yes biased umpiring does occur, why do you think there are lopsided free kick counts in single qtrs let alone a game and that's all games not just Richmond.

AFL is getting to that NFL stage with stop start footy, next will be time outs for ad breaks.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Get rid of all the wank rules they’ve bought in .
‘ stand ‘ , ‘ prior opportunity out ‘ and the unnecessary waiting for ruckman to be ready .

 

[All Aust]

‘ interpretation ‘ not rule change .

The hold on to your arse rule .... In play but.

 

[tropicaltiger]

No its not, it's a horrible spectacle to watch. Kick in rule should be brought back, all teams do now is set up on the wing which makes it harder to get out the back. FAIL.

6-6-6 has achieved nothing, go back to setting up in whatever formation you want, the commentators crapping on that 6-6-6 allows for a quick goal in a close game is nonsense, it's 6 on 6 in a crowded forward line as all 12 players need to be inside the 50m arc. Dusty one out in the 2017 GF 2nd qtr will very rarely happen again under 6-6-6, FAIL.

Umpires waiting an age for two ruckman to get to the ball up or throw in creates congestion, just throw it up or in and get the game moving, FAIL.

As for staaaaand, enough said. MASSIVE FAIL.

Free kicks awarded depending on what team and what umpire is nothing short of horrific, when umpires go into games concentrating on one of the sides committing indiscretions and not the other is biased umpiring.


The game was perfectly fine before the scats got their noses out of joint.

your comments reek of one of a football fan, and not a person who is more interested in the sponsors and advertising dollar....well done

 

[Punt rd end]

We already get pinged within seconds so hopefully others will too now

 

[Tiger Toffee]

We already get pinged within seconds so hopefully others will too now

Prestia picks up ball takes 1 step, tackled and it's HTB
Cripps picks up ball takes 5 steps, goes to fends off, gets tackled, gets spun 720 degrees, throws it out and it's play on.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Prestia picks up ball takes 1 step, tackled and it's HTB
Cripps picks up ball takes 5 steps, goes to fends off, gets tackled, gets spun 720 degrees, throws it out and it's play on.

I have seen this movie 10 times before

 

[Lacustrus]

Prestia picks up ball takes 1 step, tackled and it's HTB
Cripps picks up ball takes 5 steps, goes to fends off, gets tackled, gets spun 720 degrees, throws it out and it's play on.

 

[Ctl]

‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’

The AFL has defended a system that allows umpires to receive feedback through an earpiece during matches.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/4uJgI

‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’: AFL coaches blow the whistle on in-game comms​

BySam McClure​

AFL umpires are receiving in-game feedback through an earpiece from an official at the ground, prompting senior coaches to seek answers from the league, including one who warned that the system poses a “material risk” to the sport’s integrity.
Amid intense scrutiny and pressure on umpires, an investigation by The Age found three AFL coaches had approached the league this season seeking clarification about the practice.

Two told The Age they were concerned that communication during pauses in play between the on-field umpires and an umpiring “coach”, who is stationed in a box in the stands, had the potential to influence decision-making.

However, AFL umpiring boss Steve McBurney categorically denied this was the case.
“They cannot tell umpires what free kicks to pay, they cannot give them advice of what free kicks to pay,” McBurney told The Age.
“Our game does not permit an off-field official to tell the on-field official what free kicks to pay and what free kicks not to pay.”
The AFL initially said there was no communication between the box and the umpires during play, before clarifying that the coach can provide “positive affirmation” to umpires at breaks in play, such as after goals or at stoppages.
McBurney, who said he has attended two matches per weekend in his first month in the role, conceded he had seen this happen twice.


The revelation comes amid frustration, expressed by premiership coaches Chris Scott, Damien Hardwick and Craig McRae this season, about the way the game is umpired, and confusion about the interpretation of the holding-the-ball rule. The AFL on Wednesday issued a rare in-season directive to change how that rule is interpreted.
The Age spoke to nine of the AFL’s 18 senior coaches, plus several players and officials. While umpires have long used earpieces to communicate with each other, it was not widely known until now that they can be coached within quarters.
In fact, four senior coaches said they were not aware of the practice.

The AFL confirmed that an umpiring coach has an open line of communication to the four field umpires and two goal umpires at every match, and can speak to them individually or as a group. The system has been in place since 2013, but a senior source with knowledge of the practice said the amount of feedback delivered to umpires during quarters via an earpiece had increased substantially in the past 18 months.

The feed is also connected to the timekeeper and the ARC (the AFL’s score review hub).
Four club coaches told this masthead they were not comfortable with the situation.

“I’m really surprised by it. I’m struggling to get my head around it. It is a material risk to the game as far as integrity is concerned,” said one club coach, who did not wish to be named.
“The sanctity of the umpires has now been questioned. It throws the purity of the game into real jeopardy,” he added.

“In my wildest dreams I wouldn’t have thought anyone could have the ability to speak to umpires during the course of play.”
The AFL has strict rules to protect the sport from corruption, including restrictions on who players and officials can contact during matches and a blanket ban on betting for AFL and club employees.
Umpires can opt out of receiving in-game feedback if they notify the AFL umpiring department before the season.
According to the AFL, umpiring coaches have been speaking to umpires during quarter-time, half-time and three-quarter-time breaks since 1995 and the communication vest was introduced in 2000.
McBurney said the main purpose of umpire communication is for the four field umpires and two goal umpires to be able to speak to each other live during a game. It is an open channel but the TV and radio broadcast only receives a feed of the umpires speaking to each other and the ARC during a score review.

The AFL says audio of the coach speaking to the umpires is recorded but not made public.
While the league is unsure exactly when coaches were able to communicate directly with umpires via an earpiece, McBurney – a respected former umpire who officiated in 401 AFL matches – said he had used it before his retirement at the end of 2013.
McBurney, who rejoined the league as head of umpiring in April this year, said in-game feedback was rare in his experience.
“During play it is very rare for the umpires’ coach to need to talk to the umpires,” he said.

“They cannot do it during live play. If they had an additional voice in their head that would be a major distraction. It would only happen during an exceptional event like fire alarm, if there’s an intruder or the lightning rule.
“The primary focus is around positioning, skills, a bit on bouncing and six-six-six warnings.”
However, The Age spoke to three AFL umpires who said they are sometimes spoken to during quarters, usually when the ball is out of play or after a goal.
McBurney conceded that may happen occasionally.
“If they’re giving positive affirmation that would normally occur during the breaks,” he said.

“If there is a need during play after a goal or during stoppage to give affirmation, we leave that up to the umpires’ coach to determine if and when that is necessary.
“If there is something really significant in a game and the umpire has made the right call but there is real doubt about it, the umpires’ coach may want to key on to that umpire to reaffirm to them that that was well done. It may be how he’s managed a concussion, an injury, or normally where we are at with our positioning.

“I reckon I’ve seen it happen during a quarter twice in four weeks. It’s not a common event. They will speak to them at every break, but it’s rare that they would speak to them during a game between goals. It is not permitted during live play.”
McBurney also insisted fears the system could lead to an integrity breach were unfounded.

The AFL provided the names of five of the eight umpiring coaches – ex-AFL umpires Michael Jennings, Bryan Sheehan, Scott McLaren, Ray Kelsey and Luke Farmer. They are all league employees who undergo police checks and are governed by integrity rules.
“No, I don’t think there’s an integrity issue here, the integrity department is well aware of this practice,” McBurney said.
“The umpires’ job is to coach umpires the same way that AFL coaches’ job is to coach the players.”

 

[Punt rd end]

Behind a paywall so I can't read it, but if the headline is true

NO SHERLOCK!!

 

[Achilles Heel]

‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’

The AFL has defended a system that allows umpires to receive feedback through an earpiece during matches.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/4uJgI

‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’: AFL coaches blow the whistle on in-game comms​

BySam McClure​

AFL umpires are receiving in-game feedback through an earpiece from an official at the ground, prompting senior coaches to seek answers from the league, including one who warned that the system poses a “material risk” to the sport’s integrity.
Amid intense scrutiny and pressure on umpires, an investigation by The Age found three AFL coaches had approached the league this season seeking clarification about the practice.

Two told The Age they were concerned that communication during pauses in play between the on-field umpires and an umpiring “coach”, who is stationed in a box in the stands, had the potential to influence decision-making.

However, AFL umpiring boss Steve McBurney categorically denied this was the case.
“They cannot tell umpires what free kicks to pay, they cannot give them advice of what free kicks to pay,” McBurney told The Age.
“Our game does not permit an off-field official to tell the on-field official what free kicks to pay and what free kicks not to pay.”
The AFL initially said there was no communication between the box and the umpires during play, before clarifying that the coach can provide “positive affirmation” to umpires at breaks in play, such as after goals or at stoppages.
McBurney, who said he has attended two matches per weekend in his first month in the role, conceded he had seen this happen twice.


The revelation comes amid frustration, expressed by premiership coaches Chris Scott, Damien Hardwick and Craig McRae this season, about the way the game is umpired, and confusion about the interpretation of the holding-the-ball rule. The AFL on Wednesday issued a rare in-season directive to change how that rule is interpreted.
The Age spoke to nine of the AFL’s 18 senior coaches, plus several players and officials. While umpires have long used earpieces to communicate with each other, it was not widely known until now that they can be coached within quarters.
In fact, four senior coaches said they were not aware of the practice.

The AFL confirmed that an umpiring coach has an open line of communication to the four field umpires and two goal umpires at every match, and can speak to them individually or as a group. The system has been in place since 2013, but a senior source with knowledge of the practice said the amount of feedback delivered to umpires during quarters via an earpiece had increased substantially in the past 18 months.

The feed is also connected to the timekeeper and the ARC (the AFL’s score review hub).
Four club coaches told this masthead they were not comfortable with the situation.

“I’m really surprised by it. I’m struggling to get my head around it. It is a material risk to the game as far as integrity is concerned,” said one club coach, who did not wish to be named.
“The sanctity of the umpires has now been questioned. It throws the purity of the game into real jeopardy,” he added.

“In my wildest dreams I wouldn’t have thought anyone could have the ability to speak to umpires during the course of play.”
The AFL has strict rules to protect the sport from corruption, including restrictions on who players and officials can contact during matches and a blanket ban on betting for AFL and club employees.
Umpires can opt out of receiving in-game feedback if they notify the AFL umpiring department before the season.
According to the AFL, umpiring coaches have been speaking to umpires during quarter-time, half-time and three-quarter-time breaks since 1995 and the communication vest was introduced in 2000.
McBurney said the main purpose of umpire communication is for the four field umpires and two goal umpires to be able to speak to each other live during a game. It is an open channel but the TV and radio broadcast only receives a feed of the umpires speaking to each other and the ARC during a score review.

The AFL says audio of the coach speaking to the umpires is recorded but not made public.
While the league is unsure exactly when coaches were able to communicate directly with umpires via an earpiece, McBurney – a respected former umpire who officiated in 401 AFL matches – said he had used it before his retirement at the end of 2013.
McBurney, who rejoined the league as head of umpiring in April this year, said in-game feedback was rare in his experience.
“During play it is very rare for the umpires’ coach to need to talk to the umpires,” he said.

“They cannot do it during live play. If they had an additional voice in their head that would be a major distraction. It would only happen during an exceptional event like fire alarm, if there’s an intruder or the lightning rule.
“The primary focus is around positioning, skills, a bit on bouncing and six-six-six warnings.”
However, The Age spoke to three AFL umpires who said they are sometimes spoken to during quarters, usually when the ball is out of play or after a goal.
McBurney conceded that may happen occasionally.
“If they’re giving positive affirmation that would normally occur during the breaks,” he said.

“If there is a need during play after a goal or during stoppage to give affirmation, we leave that up to the umpires’ coach to determine if and when that is necessary.
“If there is something really significant in a game and the umpire has made the right call but there is real doubt about it, the umpires’ coach may want to key on to that umpire to reaffirm to them that that was well done. It may be how he’s managed a concussion, an injury, or normally where we are at with our positioning.

“I reckon I’ve seen it happen during a quarter twice in four weeks. It’s not a common event. They will speak to them at every break, but it’s rare that they would speak to them during a game between goals. It is not permitted during live play.”
McBurney also insisted fears the system could lead to an integrity breach were unfounded.

The AFL provided the names of five of the eight umpiring coaches – ex-AFL umpires Michael Jennings, Bryan Sheehan, Scott McLaren, Ray Kelsey and Luke Farmer. They are all league employees who undergo police checks and are governed by integrity rules.
“No, I don’t think there’s an integrity issue here, the integrity department is well aware of this practice,” McBurney said.
“The umpires’ job is to coach umpires the same way that AFL coaches’ job is to coach the players.”

Again that’s match fixing

 

[Achilles Heel]

Behind a paywall so I can't read it, but if the headline is true

NO SHERLOCK!!

Match fixing 101

 

[Neen]

Tomorrow's Headline

"AFL has given the all clear that Feedback earpieces have nothing to do with Betting Agencies"

 

[Tiger Toffee]

‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’

The AFL has defended a system that allows umpires to receive feedback through an earpiece during matches.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/4uJgI

‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’: AFL coaches blow the whistle on in-game comms​

BySam McClure​

AFL umpires are receiving in-game feedback through an earpiece from an official at the ground, prompting senior coaches to seek answers from the league, including one who warned that the system poses a “material risk” to the sport’s integrity.
Amid intense scrutiny and pressure on umpires, an investigation by The Age found three AFL coaches had approached the league this season seeking clarification about the practice.

Two told The Age they were concerned that communication during pauses in play between the on-field umpires and an umpiring “coach”, who is stationed in a box in the stands, had the potential to influence decision-making.

However, AFL umpiring boss Steve McBurney categorically denied this was the case.
“They cannot tell umpires what free kicks to pay, they cannot give them advice of what free kicks to pay,” McBurney told The Age.
“Our game does not permit an off-field official to tell the on-field official what free kicks to pay and what free kicks not to pay.”
The AFL initially said there was no communication between the box and the umpires during play, before clarifying that the coach can provide “positive affirmation” to umpires at breaks in play, such as after goals or at stoppages.
McBurney, who said he has attended two matches per weekend in his first month in the role, conceded he had seen this happen twice.


The revelation comes amid frustration, expressed by premiership coaches Chris Scott, Damien Hardwick and Craig McRae this season, about the way the game is umpired, and confusion about the interpretation of the holding-the-ball rule. The AFL on Wednesday issued a rare in-season directive to change how that rule is interpreted.
The Age spoke to nine of the AFL’s 18 senior coaches, plus several players and officials. While umpires have long used earpieces to communicate with each other, it was not widely known until now that they can be coached within quarters.
In fact, four senior coaches said they were not aware of the practice.

The AFL confirmed that an umpiring coach has an open line of communication to the four field umpires and two goal umpires at every match, and can speak to them individually or as a group. The system has been in place since 2013, but a senior source with knowledge of the practice said the amount of feedback delivered to umpires during quarters via an earpiece had increased substantially in the past 18 months.

The feed is also connected to the timekeeper and the ARC (the AFL’s score review hub).
Four club coaches told this masthead they were not comfortable with the situation.

“I’m really surprised by it. I’m struggling to get my head around it. It is a material risk to the game as far as integrity is concerned,” said one club coach, who did not wish to be named.
“The sanctity of the umpires has now been questioned. It throws the purity of the game into real jeopardy,” he added.

“In my wildest dreams I wouldn’t have thought anyone could have the ability to speak to umpires during the course of play.”
The AFL has strict rules to protect the sport from corruption, including restrictions on who players and officials can contact during matches and a blanket ban on betting for AFL and club employees.
Umpires can opt out of receiving in-game feedback if they notify the AFL umpiring department before the season.
According to the AFL, umpiring coaches have been speaking to umpires during quarter-time, half-time and three-quarter-time breaks since 1995 and the communication vest was introduced in 2000.
McBurney said the main purpose of umpire communication is for the four field umpires and two goal umpires to be able to speak to each other live during a game. It is an open channel but the TV and radio broadcast only receives a feed of the umpires speaking to each other and the ARC during a score review.

The AFL says audio of the coach speaking to the umpires is recorded but not made public.
While the league is unsure exactly when coaches were able to communicate directly with umpires via an earpiece, McBurney – a respected former umpire who officiated in 401 AFL matches – said he had used it before his retirement at the end of 2013.
McBurney, who rejoined the league as head of umpiring in April this year, said in-game feedback was rare in his experience.
“During play it is very rare for the umpires’ coach to need to talk to the umpires,” he said.

“They cannot do it during live play. If they had an additional voice in their head that would be a major distraction. It would only happen during an exceptional event like fire alarm, if there’s an intruder or the lightning rule.
“The primary focus is around positioning, skills, a bit on bouncing and six-six-six warnings.”
However, The Age spoke to three AFL umpires who said they are sometimes spoken to during quarters, usually when the ball is out of play or after a goal.
McBurney conceded that may happen occasionally.
“If they’re giving positive affirmation that would normally occur during the breaks,” he said.

“If there is a need during play after a goal or during stoppage to give affirmation, we leave that up to the umpires’ coach to determine if and when that is necessary.
“If there is something really significant in a game and the umpire has made the right call but there is real doubt about it, the umpires’ coach may want to key on to that umpire to reaffirm to them that that was well done. It may be how he’s managed a concussion, an injury, or normally where we are at with our positioning.

“I reckon I’ve seen it happen during a quarter twice in four weeks. It’s not a common event. They will speak to them at every break, but it’s rare that they would speak to them during a game between goals. It is not permitted during live play.”
McBurney also insisted fears the system could lead to an integrity breach were unfounded.

The AFL provided the names of five of the eight umpiring coaches – ex-AFL umpires Michael Jennings, Bryan Sheehan, Scott McLaren, Ray Kelsey and Luke Farmer. They are all league employees who undergo police checks and are governed by integrity rules.
“No, I don’t think there’s an integrity issue here, the integrity department is well aware of this practice,” McBurney said.
“The umpires’ job is to coach umpires the same way that AFL coaches’ job is to coach the players.”

Well well well well well ****ing well. SunshineBoy never in Australia, we're too clean and honest ****ing lol