Umpiring

[Groupie_]

whats the point of rebuilding if theyre going to keep doing it when we are good again

 

[Meteoric Rise]

For the ones they call, that's not too far off the mark. You could plausibly justify most free kicks awarded.

But it's the one's they don't pay that creates the horrendous inconsistencies.

Quite simply, they pick and choose. Whether that is subconscious or something else, I'm unsure.

Case in point. There was a free kick awarded against Tom Lynch a few weeks ago that involved both he and his opponent jostling and holding each other's guernseys. Whistle goes. Both players looked quizzically at the ump. Decision? Free kick against Lynch.

This could only have transpired had the umpire been solely looking at Lynch's indiscretion and not his opponent's. He had exactly the same view of both holds of jumper, but he was clearly more on the lookout for a Lynch indiscretion. It is the only possible way to explain the decision.

And to be fair, replays showed Lynch holding his opponent's guernsey, which of course the commentary team at the time focused upon. The decision was hence justified, and no more to see here.

But the very same could've been said if the umpire had been on the lookout for Lynch being infringed, and paid him the exact same free kick.

This happens far too much in Richmond games for it to be sheer luck. The numbers would even up far more than they have over such a large sample of time and incidents if there wasn't some other element at play.

Is it our guernsey design? Does the lack of stripes not show Lynch being scragged too? But that doesn't explain why Carlton, Essendon etc don't have the same dilemma. Nor does it explain why this repeatedly happens in other infringements not related to guernsey grabbing.

It can't be game style - that has changed quite dramatically over the last few years, and it's an almost entirely different set of players and coaches too.

I'm seriously flummoxed and open to suggestions.

For the answer to this Ghost, isolate the factors. Same or similar jumper historically, with the shocking problems of the last 8 years not really evident historically.

Shocking, 8 years....

It was exactly 8 years ago a certain S Hocking went from Geelong - who we had just humiliated in a final - to AFL House to assume control of 3 key areas where we have since been brutalised:

• The MRO function
• Rules of the game
• Umpires

So if it is to do with our jumper, it is funny how our free kick statistics were barely negative in the whole period 1965 to 2017.

2018-2025 The post Hocking appointment era Richmond free kick deficit -548 in 8 years, our opponents get roughly 17% more free kicks than we do in this period. We have a roughly 3 free kicks per game deficit, which is extraordinary over such a large sample of games. This is why we're all noticing it in this period, even without reference to statistics, just from watching games.

1965-2017 Richmond free kick deficit -571 in 53 years. The deficit was less than half a free kick per game. It would be beyond human perception to notice umpiring bias at the rate of less than half a free kick per game, it means our opponents were awarded 2-3% more free kicks than us in this period. Now that, you could possibly put down to our colours or some other factor like crowd noise or whatever.

You have to remember this is just free kicks paid. It does not take account of any of the following:

• how that same bias impacts umpire decisions about marks
• how it impacts 50m penalty decisions
• the impact of the same bias on play on calls, stopping the game for injured players etc.
• or any other things umpires need to rule on from time to time, like whether a kick beat the siren etc.

Think it was Calcium Man who asked about free kick counts.

1965-present Richmond have won 612, drawn 59 lost 687 free kick counts.

2018-present, the post Hocking appointment era, Richmond has won 51 free kick counts, drawn 10, and lost 120.

So pre-Hocking for 53 years our free kick count was W561 D49 L567. We were more or less level on match free kick counts for 53 years.

Post Hocking appointment as above W51 D10 L120. We have won a paltry 28% of the free kick counts. And failed to win 72%. We outright lost roughly 67% of the free kick counts.

Under Hardwick prior to Hocking being appointed in charge of the umpires, our free kick count was W86 D10 L86. So more or less exactly what any team should expect.

It is pretty clear from this and our own experience of viewing games in the two periods we have been umpired:

a) differently to what we were before beating Geelong in that final and going on to dominate the whole finals series in 2017, and

b) differently and much more harshly than all other teams.

There can only have been something that was done to influence umpires against us that coincided with S Hocking's arrival at AFL House. Nothing else would make sense.

 

[tropicaltiger]

Last night really was disgraceful.

such a benny hill type game for the majority

here are my approx stats

46 players and 100 clangers = 50 each team
4 umpires and 20 odd clangers/bad calls/non calls
= bombers benefitted from 75% of those

irony of such a weird game was the 4 goals in the second half were
from player stupidity/umpire mistakes/bizarre end to end...bombers goal was a soft soft free
and ours were that pass to taranto went about 9m, hoppers goal was kicked from an almost impossible angle when young bomber panicked and slapped it over the line and then caddy misses so its then banks to broad to banks to brown to hotton who paddles and superbly flicks to tresize to faull who completes end to end play of the day.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

For the answer to this Ghost, isolate the factors. Same or similar jumper historically, with the shocking problems of the last 8 years not really evident historically.

Shocking, 8 years....

It was exactly 8 years ago a certain S Hocking went from Geelong - who we had just humiliated in a final - to AFL House to assume control of 3 key areas where we have since been brutalised:

• The MRO function
• Rules of the game
• Umpires

So if it is to do with our jumper, it is funny how our free kick statistics were barely negative in the whole period 1965 to 2017.

2018-2025 The post Hocking appointment era Richmond free kick deficit -548 in 8 years, our opponents get roughly 17% more free kicks than we do in this period. We have a roughly 3 free kicks per game deficit, which is extraordinary over such a large sample of games. This is why we're all noticing it in this period, even without reference to statistics, just from watching games.

1965-2017 Richmond free kick deficit -571 in 53 years. The deficit was less than half a free kick per game. It would be beyond human perception to notice umpiring bias at the rate of less than half a free kick per game, it means our opponents were awarded 2-3% more free kicks than us in this period. Now that, you could possibly put down to our colours or some other factor like crowd noise or whatever.

You have to remember this is just free kicks paid. It does not take account of any of the following:

• how that same bias impacts umpire decisions about marks
• how it impacts 50m penalty decisions
• the impact of the same bias on play on calls, stopping the game for injured players etc.
• or any other things umpires need to rule on from time to time, like whether a kick beat the siren etc.

Think it was Calcium Man who asked about free kick counts.

1965-present Richmond have won 612, drawn 59 lost 687 free kick counts.

2018-present, the post Hocking appointment era, Richmond has won 51 free kick counts, drawn 10, and lost 120.

So pre-Hocking for 53 years our free kick count was W561 D49 L567. We were more or less level on match free kick counts for 53 years.

Post Hocking appointment as above W51 D10 L120. We have won a paltry 28% of the free kick counts. And failed to win 72%. We outright lost roughly 67% of the free kick counts.

Under Hardwick prior to Hocking being appointed in charge of the umpires, our free kick count was W86 D10 L86. So more or less exactly what any team should expect.

It is pretty clear from this and our own experience of viewing games in the two periods we have been umpired:

a) differently to what we were before beating Geelong in that final and going on to dominate the whole finals series in 2017, and

b) differently and much more harshly than all other teams.

There can only have been something that was done to influence umpires against us that coincided with S Hocking's arrival at AFL House. Nothing else would make sense.

Please send this to media outlets

 

[RoaringTiger]

For the answer to this Ghost, isolate the factors. Same or similar jumper historically, with the shocking problems of the last 8 years not really evident historically.

Shocking, 8 years....

It was exactly 8 years ago a certain S Hocking went from Geelong - who we had just humiliated in a final - to AFL House to assume control of 3 key areas where we have since been brutalised:

• The MRO function
• Rules of the game
• Umpires

So if it is to do with our jumper, it is funny how our free kick statistics were barely negative in the whole period 1965 to 2017.

2018-2025 The post Hocking appointment era Richmond free kick deficit -548 in 8 years, our opponents get roughly 17% more free kicks than we do in this period. We have a roughly 3 free kicks per game deficit, which is extraordinary over such a large sample of games. This is why we're all noticing it in this period, even without reference to statistics, just from watching games.

1965-2017 Richmond free kick deficit -571 in 53 years. The deficit was less than half a free kick per game. It would be beyond human perception to notice umpiring bias at the rate of less than half a free kick per game, it means our opponents were awarded 2-3% more free kicks than us in this period. Now that, you could possibly put down to our colours or some other factor like crowd noise or whatever.

You have to remember this is just free kicks paid. It does not take account of any of the following:

• how that same bias impacts umpire decisions about marks
• how it impacts 50m penalty decisions
• the impact of the same bias on play on calls, stopping the game for injured players etc.
• or any other things umpires need to rule on from time to time, like whether a kick beat the siren etc.

Think it was Calcium Man who asked about free kick counts.

1965-present Richmond have won 612, drawn 59 lost 687 free kick counts.

2018-present, the post Hocking appointment era, Richmond has won 51 free kick counts, drawn 10, and lost 120.

So pre-Hocking for 53 years our free kick count was W561 D49 L567. We were more or less level on match free kick counts for 53 years.

Post Hocking appointment as above W51 D10 L120. We have won a paltry 28% of the free kick counts. And failed to win 72%. We outright lost roughly 67% of the free kick counts.

Under Hardwick prior to Hocking being appointed in charge of the umpires, our free kick count was W86 D10 L86. So more or less exactly what any team should expect.

It is pretty clear from this and our own experience of viewing games in the two periods we have been umpired:

a) differently to what we were before beating Geelong in that final and going on to dominate the whole finals series in 2017, and

b) differently and much more harshly than all other teams.

There can only have been something that was done to influence umpires against us that coincided with S Hocking's arrival at AFL House. Nothing else would make sense.

Post of the year!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Please send this to media outlets

I don't participate in social media, but if anyone feels so inclined they are welcome to send that or a tidied up version to any media outlet or post it on any social media platform.

 

[RoaringTiger]

Lions had 11 free kicks inside 50 last week. Ha, we’d be lucky to have had 11 in our forward 50 for the whole bloody year. This CFL can GAGF

 

[Groupie_]

Lions had 11 free kicks inside 50 last week. Ha, we’d be lucky to have had 11 in our forward 50 for the whole bloody year. This CFL can GAGF

umpirewood get 12 inside 50 a week

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

umpirewood get 12 inside 50 a week

The AFL Old Boys Club have to make the game look spectacular some how...

 

[Delorean]

For the answer to this Ghost, isolate the factors. Same or similar jumper historically, with the shocking problems of the last 8 years not really evident historically.

Shocking, 8 years....

It was exactly 8 years ago a certain S Hocking went from Geelong - who we had just humiliated in a final - to AFL House to assume control of 3 key areas where we have since been brutalised:

• The MRO function
• Rules of the game
• Umpires

So if it is to do with our jumper, it is funny how our free kick statistics were barely negative in the whole period 1965 to 2017.

2018-2025 The post Hocking appointment era Richmond free kick deficit -548 in 8 years, our opponents get roughly 17% more free kicks than we do in this period. We have a roughly 3 free kicks per game deficit, which is extraordinary over such a large sample of games. This is why we're all noticing it in this period, even without reference to statistics, just from watching games.

1965-2017 Richmond free kick deficit -571 in 53 years. The deficit was less than half a free kick per game. It would be beyond human perception to notice umpiring bias at the rate of less than half a free kick per game, it means our opponents were awarded 2-3% more free kicks than us in this period. Now that, you could possibly put down to our colours or some other factor like crowd noise or whatever.

You have to remember this is just free kicks paid. It does not take account of any of the following:

• how that same bias impacts umpire decisions about marks
• how it impacts 50m penalty decisions
• the impact of the same bias on play on calls, stopping the game for injured players etc.
• or any other things umpires need to rule on from time to time, like whether a kick beat the siren etc.

Think it was Calcium Man who asked about free kick counts.

1965-present Richmond have won 612, drawn 59 lost 687 free kick counts.

2018-present, the post Hocking appointment era, Richmond has won 51 free kick counts, drawn 10, and lost 120.

So pre-Hocking for 53 years our free kick count was W561 D49 L567. We were more or less level on match free kick counts for 53 years.

Post Hocking appointment as above W51 D10 L120. We have won a paltry 28% of the free kick counts. And failed to win 72%. We outright lost roughly 67% of the free kick counts.

Under Hardwick prior to Hocking being appointed in charge of the umpires, our free kick count was W86 D10 L86. So more or less exactly what any team should expect.

It is pretty clear from this and our own experience of viewing games in the two periods we have been umpired:

a) differently to what we were before beating Geelong in that final and going on to dominate the whole finals series in 2017, and

b) differently and much more harshly than all other teams.

There can only have been something that was done to influence umpires against us that coincided with S Hocking's arrival at AFL House. Nothing else would make sense.

As good a post as I've ever seen on here. Something in this for sure.

 

[Stars align]

As good a post as I've ever seen on here. Something in this for sure.

Of the 7 50’s paid last night is there a break down of stand - encroachment or are they the same thing
Was at the game last night and everytime one was paid we all just looked at each other and laughed

 

[Achilles Heel]

⚖Who says it cant happen in Australia ?

Calciopoli: The Match-Fixing Scandal That Rocked Italian Football And Relegated Juventus

In 2006, Italian football was rocked by a scandal so huge, it changed the game forever.

Calciopoli wasn’t just about bad refereeing decisions. It was about power, politics, phone taps, and a hidden system used by top clubs to influence who refereed their games all to tip the balance in their favor.

At the heart of the scandal was Juventus, Italy’s most dominant club at the time. But the ripple effects went far beyond just one team.

Here are the shocking facts behind Calciopoli:

Juventus were stripped of their 2004–05 and 2005–06 Serie A titles, despite finishing first in both seasons.

Wiretapped phone conversations revealed that top Juventus officials were regularly contacting referee designators, requesting specific referees and pushing for favorable match conditions.

Luciano Moggi, the Juventus general manager, was identified as the central figure. He allegedly operated a “closed system” where referees favorable to Juventus were rewarded with more matches, while unfavorable ones were frozen out.

Juventus were relegated to Serie B for the first time in their 109-year history. They also started the 2006–07 Serie B season with a 9-point deduction.

AC Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, and Reggina were also found guilty of misconduct. All four received penalties ranging from point deductions to European competition bans, though none were relegated.

In the wiretaps, Moggi was heard discussing which referees should officiate certain matches and even blacklisting those who didn’t favour Juventus.

The 2005–06 title was controversially awarded to Inter Milan after Juventus was stripped of the crown, even though Inter had originally finished third that season.

Famous Juventus stars like Fabio Cannavaro, Gianluca Zambrotta, Lilian Thuram, Patrick Vieira, and Zlatan Ibrahimović left the club following the scandal. Gianluigi Buffon, Alessandro Del Piero, Pavel Nedvěd, and David Trezeguet, however, stayed loyal and helped the team return.

Despite the punishment, Juventus bounced back by winning the Serie B title and securing promotion back to Serie A after just one season.

The legacy of Calciopoli still divides fans and experts today. Some argue Juventus was unfairly made the scapegoat, while others believe it was a necessary purge of corruption in Italian football.

Was these punishments enough for such a huge offense?

 

[Achilles Heel]

Please send this to media outlets

They know but afraid to speak

 

[GhostofJimJess]

⚖Who says it cant happen in Australia ?

Calciopoli: The Match-Fixing Scandal That Rocked Italian Football And Relegated Juventus

In 2006, Italian football was rocked by a scandal so huge, it changed the game forever.

Calciopoli wasn’t just about bad refereeing decisions. It was about power, politics, phone taps, and a hidden system used by top clubs to influence who refereed their games all to tip the balance in their favor.

At the heart of the scandal was Juventus, Italy’s most dominant club at the time. But the ripple effects went far beyond just one team.

Here are the shocking facts behind Calciopoli:

Juventus were stripped of their 2004–05 and 2005–06 Serie A titles, despite finishing first in both seasons.

Wiretapped phone conversations revealed that top Juventus officials were regularly contacting referee designators, requesting specific referees and pushing for favorable match conditions.

Luciano Moggi, the Juventus general manager, was identified as the central figure. He allegedly operated a “closed system” where referees favorable to Juventus were rewarded with more matches, while unfavorable ones were frozen out.

Juventus were relegated to Serie B for the first time in their 109-year history. They also started the 2006–07 Serie B season with a 9-point deduction.

AC Milan, Lazio, Fiorentina, and Reggina were also found guilty of misconduct. All four received penalties ranging from point deductions to European competition bans, though none were relegated.

In the wiretaps, Moggi was heard discussing which referees should officiate certain matches and even blacklisting those who didn’t favour Juventus.

The 2005–06 title was controversially awarded to Inter Milan after Juventus was stripped of the crown, even though Inter had originally finished third that season.

Famous Juventus stars like Fabio Cannavaro, Gianluca Zambrotta, Lilian Thuram, Patrick Vieira, and Zlatan Ibrahimović left the club following the scandal. Gianluigi Buffon, Alessandro Del Piero, Pavel Nedvěd, and David Trezeguet, however, stayed loyal and helped the team return.

Despite the punishment, Juventus bounced back by winning the Serie B title and securing promotion back to Serie A after just one season.

The legacy of Calciopoli still divides fans and experts today. Some argue Juventus was unfairly made the scapegoat, while others believe it was a necessary purge of corruption in Italian football.

Was these punishments enough for such a huge offense?

It's the black and white stripes which cause such corruption, except in this country we call it 'Collciopoli'

 

[Sam_100]

i agree with this statement.

Wouldn’t surprise me when the CFL made rule changes to stop our dynasty the re-played footage of our player over and over again infront of the umpires.

They probably put them in front of a screen playing Richmond games and bombarded them with negative/painful stimuli every time Richmond was awarded a free kick to condition them with a unconscious bias against Richmond. Similar to what they did to Malcolm McDowell's character in A Clockwork Orange.

 

[Achilles Heel]

They probably put them in front of a screen playing Richmond games and bombarded them with negative/painful stimuli every time Richmond was awarded a free kick to condition them with an unconscious bias against Richmond. Similar to what they did to Malcolm McDowell's character in A Clockwork Orange.

We have an umpire in front of the courts for brownlow voting irregularities, we have another umpire who officiated in a grand final which a lot of commentators are saying was suspect in decisions in front of the courts for embezzlement , match fixing is not a big stretch from there

 

[Achilles Heel]

Back in 1988 during the world youth cup Oceania qualifiers , Fiji had to beat Western Samoa by 16 goals to knock us out of the semi finals , we went to watch the game and they had an Indian ref and two Indian linesmen , suffice to say they scored 16 , as I was walking out of the ground I got bailed up by the press and asked my thoughts , not on the game but the referees , given Fiji Soccer is run by Fijian Indians have a guess at my comments .

Whilst scores like that in those days were done by Australia we never had scores like that from any of the island countries , the fix was on

 

[Do the Dew]

Harley Reid is a gun, but shit he throws his head back so much and plays for every free. Only player who milks everything similar to him is Naicos.

 

[Julio Dulio]

For the answer to this Ghost, isolate the factors. Same or similar jumper historically, with the shocking problems of the last 8 years not really evident historically.

Shocking, 8 years....

It was exactly 8 years ago a certain S Hocking went from Geelong - who we had just humiliated in a final - to AFL House to assume control of 3 key areas where we have since been brutalised:

• The MRO function
• Rules of the game
• Umpires

So if it is to do with our jumper, it is funny how our free kick statistics were barely negative in the whole period 1965 to 2017.

2018-2025 The post Hocking appointment era Richmond free kick deficit -548 in 8 years, our opponents get roughly 17% more free kicks than we do in this period. We have a roughly 3 free kicks per game deficit, which is extraordinary over such a large sample of games. This is why we're all noticing it in this period, even without reference to statistics, just from watching games.

1965-2017 Richmond free kick deficit -571 in 53 years. The deficit was less than half a free kick per game. It would be beyond human perception to notice umpiring bias at the rate of less than half a free kick per game, it means our opponents were awarded 2-3% more free kicks than us in this period. Now that, you could possibly put down to our colours or some other factor like crowd noise or whatever.

You have to remember this is just free kicks paid. It does not take account of any of the following:

• how that same bias impacts umpire decisions about marks
• how it impacts 50m penalty decisions
• the impact of the same bias on play on calls, stopping the game for injured players etc.
• or any other things umpires need to rule on from time to time, like whether a kick beat the siren etc.

Think it was Calcium Man who asked about free kick counts.

1965-present Richmond have won 612, drawn 59 lost 687 free kick counts.

2018-present, the post Hocking appointment era, Richmond has won 51 free kick counts, drawn 10, and lost 120.

So pre-Hocking for 53 years our free kick count was W561 D49 L567. We were more or less level on match free kick counts for 53 years.

Post Hocking appointment as above W51 D10 L120. We have won a paltry 28% of the free kick counts. And failed to win 72%. We outright lost roughly 67% of the free kick counts.

Under Hardwick prior to Hocking being appointed in charge of the umpires, our free kick count was W86 D10 L86. So more or less exactly what any team should expect.

It is pretty clear from this and our own experience of viewing games in the two periods we have been umpired:

a) differently to what we were before beating Geelong in that final and going on to dominate the whole finals series in 2017, and

b) differently and much more harshly than all other teams.

There can only have been something that was done to influence umpires against us that coincided with S Hocking's arrival at AFL House. Nothing else would make sense.

Surely this is being talked about behind closed doors at Richmond, what are they going to do about it!!

 

[Achilles Heel]

The league is corrupt

 

[Groupie_]

Harley Reid is a gun, but shit he throws his head back so much and plays for every free. Only player who milks everything similar to him is Naicos.

imagine how much frees reid would get at colonwood

 

[Delorean]

We were fed the whole "Dimmas sides play on the edge" crap from the media over our premiership years, but since Yze has come in we're still copping it.

McCrae takes the same game plan to Collingwood - no complaints
Adam Kingsley

Adam Kingsley

Age

50

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183cm

Wt

83kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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16.9

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.3

3star

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D

16.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

takes the same game plan to GWS - no complaints
Hardwick takes his game plan to GC - no complaints

it just cant be coincidence. The odds would be astronomical.

 

[Lacustrus]

We were fed the whole "Dimmas sides play on the edge" crap from the media over our premiership years, but since Yze has come in we're still copping it.

McCrae takes the same game plan to Collingwood - no complaints
Adam Kingsley takes the same game plan to GWS - no complaints
Hardwick takes his game plan to GC - no complaints

it just cant be coincidence. The odds would be astronomical.

I watched the last q of dockers game, and impressed with how well coached magpies are in simulating for free kicks.
It’s like their player are poised for contact and playing for frees. And the one hand in the air tackles . Taking it to anew level.

 

[Achilles Heel]

I watched the last q of dockers game, and impressed with how well coached magpies are in simulating for free kicks.
It’s like their player are poised for contact and playing for frees. And the one hand in the air tackles . Taking it to anew level.

The umpires train at collingwood

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Lollingwood coming off 2 losses in a row. The Daicos sisters will get more free kicks than our whole team combined